Kentinada Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 I just got the INSTEON Garage Door Control Kit and I have a couple questions. 1. Adding this to my ISY994 added 2 devices: Garage Door-Relay and Garage Door-Sensor. I assume that is expected. 2. The Garage Door-Relay device stays in the On state and to operate the door, I have to send on OFF command followed by an ON command. Is that expected? 3. I made a simple program to do the OFF and ON sequence in #2 but is this the way this is supposed to operate? Thanks. Link to comment
Xathros Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 I just got the INSTEON Garage Door Control Kit and I have a couple questions. 1. Adding this to my ISY994 added 2 devices: Garage Door-Relay and Garage Door-Sensor. I assume that is expected. Yes. The Relay is what will control the door. The sensor is what reads the magnetic switch and tells you if the dorr is open or closed. 2. The Garage Door-Relay device stays in the On state and to operate the door, I have to send on OFF command followed by an ON command. Is that expected? Yes. However, if you have the IOLinc in one of the momentary modes, the relay actually turns off after the preset delay, the ISY is just unaware of that fact since the relay is a responder only device. It does not send a status message when it turns off. I like you have coded my programs to send an off command to the relay just to fix the status - has no other effect and is NOT necessary. 3. I made a simple program to do the OFF and ON sequence in #2 but is this the way this is supposed to operate? See #2 Thanks. Anytime. Happy to help. -Xathros Link to comment
Kentinada Posted December 18, 2013 Author Share Posted December 18, 2013 Xathros, thanks for the quick reply. I thought I'd be able to test to see if the door is open or not but based on the status always showing ON, I don't think I can do that, can I? Link to comment
Kentinada Posted December 18, 2013 Author Share Posted December 18, 2013 And this is the status of my Sensor as seen from the Options display. See the attached file. It's in a Latched mode. Should it be in Momentary A, B, or C? If so, which? Link to comment
Xathros Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 I believe you want Momentary B. In latching mode, the relay will stay on until you send an off. Being there is a chance that the off command may be missed, it is safer to have the IOLinc in momentary mode with a delay of 1 to 2 seconds. In the current configuration, you may not be able to operate the door with the RF remotes due to relay "holding the manual button in" in latching mode. For Door status, use the status of the sensor - not the the relay status. Note: the door status is likely backwards due to Smarthome including a NO (normally open) rather than NC (normally closed) mag switch in the kit. Most of use have replaced the mag switch with either an NC or NO/NC switch wired for NC operation. While you can sort of compensate for this by checking Trigger Reverse in the IOLinc options, this has some problematic side effects. A query will return the ACTUAL state of the sensor rather then the Trigger Reversed state. Safter to swap out the MAG switch. If your OK with Sensor ON meaning the door is closed, then no need to change anything but most prefer ON to mean door is open. -Xathros Link to comment
Kentinada Posted December 18, 2013 Author Share Posted December 18, 2013 Xathros, Again, thanks for the quick reply. OK I've changed the Sensor to Momentary B and I now get On for closed and Off for open. Where do you get a NC switch to replace the NO switch? Link to comment
Xathros Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 This is what the kit used to come with: http://www.smarthome.com/7455B/SECO-LARM-SM-226L-3-Magnetic-Garage-Door-Contact-Switch/p.aspx and is what many of us are using. Wire the red and black in place of what you have now. -Xathros Link to comment
whlatimer Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 I just got the INSTEON Garage Door Control Kit and I have a couple questions. 1. Adding this to my ISY994 added 2 devices: Garage Door-Relay and Garage Door-Sensor. I assume that is expected. 2. The Garage Door-Relay device stays in the On state and to operate the door, I have to send on OFF command followed by an ON command. Is that expected? 3. I made a simple program to do the OFF and ON sequence in #2 but is this the way this is supposed to operate? Thanks. Xathro knows way more than I do, but I will throw in my neophyte experience with the I/O Linc. You want the Relay to operate in one if the three (A or B or Momentary modes; you also want to set the duration of the On state to be long enough for the door to close, e.g. 10 seconds. You set this in Admin Console, click the relay and choose the Options button. Activating the relay (turning it on) has the same effect as pressing the garage opener wall button; you complete the circuit and the opener activates. Putting the relay in one of the three Momentary mode (A, B or C) will turn it off after the elapsed time. I have my ISY setup to text me if/when the garage door remains open for more than 5 minutes and then again when it closes. Every 15 minutes between sunset and sunrise, another program checks the sensor and if the door is open, it activates the relay to close it. Link to comment
Xathros Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 Xathro knows way more than I do, but I will throw in my neophyte experience with the I/O Linc. You want the Relay to operate in one if the three (A or B or Momentary modes; you also want to set the duration of the On state to be long enough for the door to close, e.g. 10 seconds. This depends on the garage door opener. Many (like mine) only require a short press of a momentary button (1 to 2 secs) and the door will move to the opposite of what it was before the press. On systems like these, keeping the button held can prevent other control methods from functioning. -Xathros Link to comment
Kentinada Posted December 18, 2013 Author Share Posted December 18, 2013 Right now, the duration on Momentary B is set to 2 seconds and it seems to work. I also ordered one of those SECO-LARM NC switches. Thanks. Link to comment
Kentinada Posted January 5, 2014 Author Share Posted January 5, 2014 I just got my SL-SM226L switches but it only has a green and black wire. Did I get the wrong switch? Link to comment
LeeG Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 Yes. The new switch is functionally what came with the garage kit. You want SM226L-3 which has a NO and NC contact. Link to comment
toflaherty Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 So if I don't want the sensor on the floor, instead of using this one: http://www.smarthome.com/7455B/SECO-LARM-SM-226L-3-Magnetic-Garage-Door-Contact-Switch/p.aspx Either one of these should work, correct? http://www.smarthome.com/77370/SECO-LARM-Enforcer-SM-217Q-W-Miniature-Surface-Mount-Contact-Magnet/p.aspx or http://www.smarthome.com/77374GY/SECO-LARM-SM-216Q-GY-Wide-Gap-Magnetic-Contact-Gray/p.aspx Will probably go with the smaller one since it both looks better and is cheaper. Gap is 2" vs. 2 3/4" on the larger one, but that's still plenty. Link to comment
Kentinada Posted January 5, 2014 Author Share Posted January 5, 2014 Does anyone have a decent diagram of installing the 226L-3 switch? The 1 page manual on Smarthome just says it mounts to the floor but I'm not sure exactly what they mean. Any help would be appreciated. Link to comment
LeeG Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 I mounted mine on the overhead board across the top of the garage door opening. Same header my garage door opener is attached to (Wayne Dalton opener). The magnetic switch is water proof but I prefer to keep the electrical equipment off the floor. Link to comment
elvisimprsntr Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Agreed. Mount the sensor on the door header to keep the elements away from it. Link to comment
EricK Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 On the header. I have the two wire which works fine, but am thinking of getting the three wire. I do not use the io linc to control the door, only to get the status. Link to comment
Kentinada Posted January 6, 2014 Author Share Posted January 6, 2014 That is the way I mounted the switch that came with my ioLinc so I guess I'll do this new one the same way. Thanks. Link to comment
shannong Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 I also mounted mine on the header as in the picture from EricK. No reason to have it on the floor where it's harder to attach to concrete and potentially in the way. I mounted mine in the middle of the door since there's a plug in my ceiling for the opener where I also plugged in the IOLinc. The contact wire follows the rail of the garage door opener across the ceiling so the wire isn't even noticeable. Made it super easy to wire the IOlinc to the opener as well with just 12" of wire. I didn't bother with the giant bracket for the magnet. The magnet has two screw holes and I screwed it directly to the top of my garage door. The contact switch is designed to operate within 2.75" of separation and my gap is about an inch when closed. This means my contact will signal a door open with just an inch or so off the ground. Link to comment
Kentinada Posted January 6, 2014 Author Share Posted January 6, 2014 I mounted the magnet of the original switch to the top of the garage door as well. Wonder if I can just leave that only when I get the 226L-3 and just put in the wired contact? Link to comment
shannong Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 I mounted the magnet of the original switch to the top of the garage door as well. Wonder if I can just leave that only when I get the 226L-3 and just put in the wired contact? Probably. It'll be a simple test. Mount the switch first and see if it triggers open/close with the existing magnet. It's also worth testing your door manually to see how far it must open to trigger. Link to comment
Kentinada Posted January 10, 2014 Author Share Posted January 10, 2014 OK so I get the 226L-3 switch today and put in the sensor. I used the red and black wires to connect to the ioLinc as instructed in an earlier post. The Garage Door-Sensor is an On state regardless of the position of the door. When the door is closed, it goes to Off briefly as the door reaches the closed state and then goes back to On. When the door is opened, it quickly goes to Off and then back to On and stays On. Is this expected behavior? I thought with this new switch, the sensor would read On if the door was closed and Off if open. Or did I get that backwards? No matter though, it reads On all the time with momentary shifts to Off. Link to comment
shannong Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Probably turns off briefly as the magnet passes by the switch and then out of range. Does the sensor turn off if you place the magnet directly in front of the switch? Link to comment
Kentinada Posted January 10, 2014 Author Share Posted January 10, 2014 That was exactly it. The sensor was about 1.5" from the magnet when closed. I thought the instructions said it could be over 2 inches but no matter. I moved the sensor closer to the magnet and it now stays Off in the closed position. Thanks! Link to comment
shannong Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 We'll chalk this one up as YMMV. Glad it's working now. Enjoy your sensor now being off when the door is closed. Link to comment
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