Another ALL ON Event

[cwagner2401]

Michel,

 

Here's the log from the time of the all-on event.  My notes in the last column

 

 

 

Scene:Garage Open Indicator On 255 Wed 2015/01/14 08:24:17 PM ELK Log Door opened with liftmaster remote MBR - KPL Button E Status 100% Wed 2015/01/14 08:24:17 PM System Log out of sequence: the system shows this now when the log shows the ELK command much later (8:25:05) Rear Hall - KPL E Status 100% Wed 2015/01/14 08:24:17 PM System Log out of sequence: the system shows this now when the log shows the ELK command much later (8:25:05) Kit - KPL Button E Status 100% Wed 2015/01/14 08:24:17 PM System Log out of sequence: the system shows this now when the log shows the ELK command much later (8:25:05) pGarage Ext Lights - left doo On 255 Wed 2015/01/14 08:24:17 PM ELK Log ELK turns on the ext lights pRear Hall Lights - by FR On 255 Wed 2015/01/14 08:24:17 PM ELK Log ELK turns on the hall light pGarage Ext Lights - left doo Status 100% Wed 2015/01/14 08:24:18 PM System Log   pRear Hall Lights - by FR Status 100% Wed 2015/01/14 08:24:18 PM System Log   Keypad Display Text ELK-TX   Wed 2015/01/14 08:24:19 PM System Log   Keypad Display Text ELK-TX   Wed 2015/01/14 08:24:38 PM System Log BY THIS TIME ALL LIGHTS WERE ON, OPEN DOOR CLOSED AND CLOSED DOORS OPENED Scene:Garage Open Indicator On 255 Wed 2015/01/14 08:25:05 PM ELK Log ELK turns on the door open key on the KPL Scene:Garage Open Indicator On 255 Wed 2015/01/14 08:25:07 PM ELK Log ELK turns on the door open key on the KPL Scene:Garage Open Indicator On 255 Wed 2015/01/14 08:25:08 PM ELK Log ELK turns on the door open key on the KPL Keypad Display Text ELK-TX   Wed 2015/01/14 08:25:38 PM System Log   Scene:Garage Open Indicator Off 0 Wed 2015/01/14 08:26:33 PM ELK Log Doors closed with hardwired button on garage wall

[cwagner2401]

Sorry Michel.  Table format was lost.  i tried to upload the Excel file but it won;t accept that file type.

 

 

[EricK]

Here is the log for my all on event.  My wife called me at 932AM.  I did not receive notification that the water valve was closed until 934, immediately before the notification that the water valve was opened.  

 

Scene:Great Room / Great Room Scenes / GR Dining KPLs On Sun 2015/01/18 09:08:24 AM Program Log

Great Room / Great Room Devices / GR Sink KPL - A Cabinet / GR Sink KPL - H Dining Status 100% Sun 2015/01/18 09:08:24 AM System Log

Great Room / Great Room Devices / GR Spots KPL (DB) - A Spots / GR Spots KPL (DB) - E Dining Status 100% Sun 2015/01/18 09:08:24 AM System Log

Scene:Great Room / Great Room Scenes / GR Dining Correction Off 0 Sun 2015/01/18 09:08:28 AM Program Log

Laundry Room / Laundry Motion Sensor-Dusk.Da Status 0% Sun 2015/01/18 09:16:34 AM System Log

Great Room / Great Room Devices / GR Pantry Lights Beep 8 Sun 2015/01/18 09:19:00 AM Program Log

Scene:Great Room / Great Room Scenes / GR Pantry Off 0 Sun 2015/01/18 09:19:10 AM Program Log

Great Room / Great Room Devices / GR Pantry Lights Status 0% Sun 2015/01/18 09:19:10 AM System Log

Great Room / Great Room Devices / Pantry Motion Sensor-Dusk.Daw Status 100% Sun 2015/01/18 09:22:27 AM System Log

Great Room / Great Room Devices / GR Pantry Lights Status 100% Sun 2015/01/18 09:25:09 AM System Log

Great Room / Great Room Devices / Pantry Motion Sensor-Dusk.Daw Status 0% Sun 2015/01/18 09:29:54 AM System Log Hallway KPL8 - C - Cabinet Status 0% Sun 2015/01/18 09:32:16 AM System Log

Master Bathroom / Master Bath Devices / Bath His KPL - A Shower Light / Bath His KPL - G Cabinet L Status 0% Sun 2015/01/18 09:32:16 AM System Log

Great Room / Great Room Devices / GR Sink KPL - A Cabinet Status 0% Sun 2015/01/18 09:32:16 AM System Log

Master Bedroom / Master Bedroom Devices / Master Door KPL - A Lights / Master Door KPL - E Cabinets Status 0% Sun 2015/01/18 09:32:16 AM System Log

Great Room / Great Room Devices / GR Spots KPL (DB) - A Spots / GR Spots KPL (DB) - C Cabinet Status 0% Sun 2015/01/18 09:32:16 AM System Log

Scene:Great Room / Great Room Scenes / GR Dining KPLs Off 0 Sun 2015/01/18 09:32:20 AM Program Log Great Room / Great Room Devices / GR Sink KPL - A Cabinet / GR Sink KPL - H Dining Status 0% Sun 2015/01/18 09:32:20 AM System Log Great Room / Great Room Devices / GR Spots KPL (DB) - A Spots / GR Spots KPL (DB) - E Dining Status 0% Sun 2015/01/18 09:32:20 AM System Log

Master Bathroom / Master Bath Devices / Bath His KPL - A Shower Light / Bath His KPL - E Vanity Status 100% Sun 2015/01/18 09:32:21 AM System Log

Master Bathroom / Master Bath Devices / Bath His Vanity Status 100% Sun 2015/01/18 09:32:21 AM System Log

Master Bathroom / Master Bath Devices / Bath His KPL - A Shower Light / Bath His KPL - E Vanity Status 0% Sun 2015/01/18 09:32:23 AM System Log

Master Bathroom / Master Bath Devices / Bath His Vanity Status 0% Sun 2015/01/18 09:32:23 AM System Log

Master Bedroom / Master Bedroom Devices / Master Door KPL - A Lights / Master Door KPL - C Lamp Status 0% Sun 2015/01/18 09:32:53 AM System Log

Master Bedroom / Master Bedroom Devices / Master Lamp Erics Status 0% Sun 2015/01/18 09:32:53 AM System Log

Master Bedroom / Master Bedroom Devices / Master His KPL - A lights / Master His KPL - C Lamp Status 0% Sun 2015/01/18 09:32:53 AM System Log

Master Bathroom / Master Bath Devices / Bath Hers KPL - A Shower Ligh / Bath Hers KPL - B Shower Fan Status 100% Sun 2015/01/18 09:33:22 AM System Log

Master Bathroom / Master Bath Devices / Bath Shower Fan Status 100% Sun 2015/01/18 09:33:22 AM System Log

Master Bathroom / Master Bath Devices / Bath His KPL - A Shower Light / Bath His KPL - B Shower Fan Status 100% Sun 2015/01/18 09:33:22 AM System Log

Master Bathroom / Master Bath Devices / Bath Hers KPL - A Shower Ligh / Bath Hers KPL - B Shower Fan Status 0% Sun 2015/01/18 09:33:23 AM System Log

Master Bathroom / Master Bath Devices / Bath Shower Fan Status 0% Sun 2015/01/18 09:33:23 AM System Log

Master Bathroom / Master Bath Devices / Bath His KPL - A Shower Light / Bath His KPL - B Shower Fan Status 0% Sun 2015/01/18 09:33:23 AM System Log

Master Bathroom / Master Bath Devices / Bath Hers KPL - A Shower Ligh / Bath Hers KPL - D Tub Light Status 100% Sun 2015/01/18 09:33:25 AM System Log

Master Bathroom / Master Bath Devices / Bath Tub Light Status 100% Sun 2015/01/18 09:33:25 AM System Log

Hall and Foyer / Hall KPL6 (DB) - Hallway Ligh / Hall KPL6 (DB) - C Water Status 100% Sun 2015/01/18 09:34:04 AM System Log Water Valve and Leak Sensors / Water Valve io Linc-Relay On Sun 2015/01/18 09:34:04 AM Program Log Water Valve and Leak Sensors / Water Valve io Linc-Relay Status 100% Sun 2015/01/18 09:34:05 AM System Log

Hall and Foyer / Hall KPL6 (DB) - Hallway Ligh / Hall KPL6 (DB) - C Water Status 0% Sun 2015/01/18 09:34:20 AM System Log Water Valve and Leak Sensors / Water Valve io Linc-Relay Off 0 Sun 2015/01/18 09:34:20 AM Program Log Water Valve and Leak Sensors / Water Valve io Linc-Relay Status 0% Sun 2015/01/18 09:34:21 AM System Log

Hall and Foyer / Hall KPL6 (DB) - Hallway Ligh / Hall KPL6 (DB) - D Valve Stat Status 0% Sun 2015/01/18 09:34:21 AM System Log

Water Valve and Leak Sensors / Water Valve io Linc-Sensor Status 0% Sun 2015/01/18 09:34:21 AM System Log

Basement / Basement Devices / BM KPL Basement Steps (DB) Status 100% Sun 2015/01/18 09:34:36 AM System Log

Basement / Basement Devices / Basement Steps Status 100% Sun 2015/01/18 09:34:36 AM System Log

Basement / Basement Devices / Basement Door - Door Open Status 100% Sun 2015/01/18 09:34:36 AM System Log

Basement / Basement Devices / Basement Door - Door Closed Status 0% Sun 2015/01/18 09:34:36 AM System Log Scene:Basement / Basement Scenes / Basement Monitor Hallway KPL8 On Sun 2015/01/18 09:34:36 AM Program Log

Hallway KPL8 - G - Basement Status 100% Sun 2015/01/18 09:34:37 AM System Log

Basement / Basement Devices / BM KPL Basement Steps (DB) / BM KPL - A Basement Lights Status 100% Sun 2015/01/18 09:34:39 AM System Log

Basement / Basement Devices / Basement Main Lights New Status 100% Sun 2015/01/18 09:34:39 AM System Log

Scene:Basement / Basement Scenes / Basement Monitor Hallway KPL8 On Sun 2015/01/18 09:34:39 AM Program Log Basement / Basement Devices / BM KPL Basement Steps (DB) Status 0% Sun 2015/01/18 09:34:40 AM System Log

Basement / Basement Devices / Basement Steps Status 0% Sun 2015/01/18 09:34:40 AM System Log

Basement / Basement Devices / BM KPL Basement Steps (DB) / BM KPL - A Basement Lights Status 0% Sun 2015/01/18 09:34:41 AM System Log Basement / Basement Devices / Basement Main Lights New Status 0% Sun 2015/01/18 09:34:41 AM System Log X10 A10 Sun 2015/01/18 09:34:44 AM Program Log X10 A10 Off (11) Sun 2015/01/18 09:34:44 AM Program Log Scene:Basement / Basement Scenes / Basement Monitor Hallway KPL8 Off 0 Sun 2015/01/18 09:34:46 AM Program Log Hallway KPL8 - G - Basement Status 0% Sun 2015/01/18 09:34:46 AM System Log

X10 A10 Sun 2015/01/18 09:34:47 AM Program Log X10 A10 Off (11) Sun 2015/01/18 09:34:47 AM Program Log

Laundry Room / Laundry KPL6 (DB) Laundry Lig Status 100% Sun 2015/01/18 09:36:38 AM System Log

Basement / Basement Devices / BM KPL Basement Steps (DB) Status 100% Sun 2015/01/18 09:38:21 AM System Log Basement / Basement Devices / Basement Steps Status 100% Sun 2015/01/18 09:38:21 AM System Log Scene:Basement / Basement Scenes / Basement Monitor Hallway KPL8 On Sun 2015/01/18 09:38:21 AM Program Log Hallway KPL8 - G - Basement Status 100% Sun 2015/01/18 09:38:22 AM System Log Scene:Basement / Basement Scenes / Basement Monitor Hallway KPL8 On Sun 2015/01/18 09:38:26 AM Program Log Scene:Basement / Basement Scenes / Basement Monitor Hallway KPL8 On Sun 2015/01/18 09:38:33 AM Program Log

Theater / Theater Devices / KPL Movie Steps - A - Steps / KPL Movie Steps - G - Movie P Status 100% Sun 2015/01/18 09:39:14 AM System Log Theater / Theater Devices / OutletLinc - Movie Poster Status 100% Sun 2015/01/18 09:39:14 AM System Log

Theater / Theater Devices / KPL Movie Steps - A - Steps / KPL Movie Steps - G - Movie P Status 0% Sun 2015/01/18 09:39:17 AM System Log

Theater / Theater Devices / OutletLinc - Movie Poster Status 0% Sun 2015/01/18 09:39:17 AM System Log Hallway KPL8 - G - Basement Status 0% Sun 2015/01/18 09:39:54 AM System Log

Scene:Basement / Basement Scenes / Basement All Off Off 0 Sun 2015/01/18 09:39:54 AM Program Log Basement / Basement Devices / BM KPL Basement Steps (DB) Status 0% Sun 2015/01/18 09:39:56 AM System Log

Basement / Basement Devices / Basement Steps Status 0% Sun 2015/01/18 09:39:56 AM System Log X10 A10 Sun 2015/01/18 09:39:57 AM Program Log X10 A10 Off (11) Sun 2015/01/18 09:39:57 AM Program Log X10 A10 Sun 2015/01/18 09:40:00 AM Program Log X10 A10 Off (11) Sun 2015/01/18 09:40:00 AM Program Log Scene:Basement / Basement Scenes / Basement Monitor Hallway KPL8 Off 0 Sun 2015/01/18 09:40:01 AM Program Log Children's Rooms / Asher's Room / Asher's Lights New Status 100% Sun 2015/01/18 09:40:13 AM System Log

Hallway KPL8 - F - Asher Status 100% Sun 2015/01/18 09:40:13 AM System Log Children's Rooms / Asher's Room / Asher's Lights New Status 0% Sun 2015/01/18 09:40:16 AM System Log

Hallway KPL8 - F - Asher Status 0% Sun 2015/01/18 09:40:16 AM System Log

[Michel Kohanim]

Hi Erick,

 

I am so very sorry. I was working with dstanley today and the event is very similar to yours.

 

Do you have an INSTEON motion sensor anywhere in your system and if so where and how does it get triggered?

 

With kind regards,

Michel

[EricK]

Hi Erick,

I am so very sorry. I was working with dstanley today and the event is very similar to yours.

Do you have an INSTEON motion sensor anywhere in your system and if so where and how does it get triggered?

With kind regards,

Michel

Michel,

I have two recently installed motion sensors. The second was placed in the pantry about 2 weeks ago. In about the 11th line in the log there is a MS entry at 9:29:54, but this is a couple minutes before everything turned on., starting 9:32:16. Still not sure exactly which Kpl button she pressed, but the all on immediately followed the button press.

Thank you for looking at this.

Eric

[No Pressure]

I experienced an all on event this morning.  2 garage doors opened and most of the lights in the house came on.

 

About 10 minutes ago one of the garage doors opened.  Most of the lights were already on because it is dusk.

 

PLM version 9B according to Info/Status.

 

I'll read through this thread when I get a moment later this evening. If I get more info I will post it then.

[Michel Kohanim]

Hi Erick,

 

Thanks so very much. Is it are to say that your all on events started happening after the installation of the motion sensors? Also can you tell me whether or the motion sensor is part of any scenes?

 

The reason I think it's motion sensor related is because invariably all the events I have investigated are preceeded by an RF device followed by a KPL button through ISY programs.

 

With kind regards,

Michel

[Michel Kohanim]

Hello No Pressure,

 

I am so very sorry to hear. Please send your logs to support@universal-devices.com with approximate time of the Event.

 

With kind regards,

Michel

[EricK]

Michel,

I have only had the one all on event, but I do not think it was triggered by a motion sensor. The motions sensors are both part of scenes with a single responder, laundry lights and pantry lights. I do not see anything in the log to indicate that the MS did anything at the time of the all on.

Thanks

Eric

[Michel Kohanim]

Hi Eric,

 

Are any of the responders KeypadLincs?

 

With kind regards,

Michel

[EricK]

The responder of the Pantry MS is a switchlinc relay. The responder for the laundry MS is a 6 button KPL. It may be single band, will have to check. The pantry ms is the one that triggered shortly before the all on. I do not see anything in the log for the laundry MS.

Thank you

Eric

[Michel Kohanim]

Thanks Eric,

 

Do you have any programs that control the lights on the laundry KPL?

 

With kind regards,

Michel

[EricK]

Yes, the laundry lights are controlled by the motion sensor with a scene, on only. I then have a simple timer program to turn the lights off after 10 or 15 minutes. I would have to check the program to get the exact time. I have the same set up for the pantry MS.

Eric

[Michel Kohanim]

Hi Eric,

 

Thanks. I am sorry but I am getting confused. The main question is whether or not you have any Morin sensor that are controllers in a scene with keypad buttons AND the same sensor is used as a condition in a program that controls other buttons on the same keypad.

 

With kind regards,

Michel

[EricK]

Hi Eric,

Thanks. I am sorry but I am getting confused. The main question is whether or not you have any Morin sensor that are controllers in a scene with keypad buttons AND the same sensor is used as a condition in a program that controls other buttons on the same keypad.

With kind regards,

Michel

Michel,

Not.

I have a MS that is a controller in a scene including the load of a 6 button Kpl (on). That MS is used as a condition in a program that controls just the same load (off) but not any other buttons on the same keypad.

Eric

[Michel Kohanim]

Hi Eric,

 

Ok. So the same motion sensor is not only a controller for a KPL in a scene but also used in a program to control the SAME KPL (regardless of the button). Correct?

 

If so either use it as a controller or a program condition and not both.

 

With kind regards,

Michel

[EricK]

Michel,

Correct. The behavior I want is for the light to turn on when motion is detected and then to turn off after 10 minutes. I believe the only way to do this well is to use a scene for the on and program for the off. I found when I tried to use a program for my hidden door sensor to turn on a light there was a delay. There are plenty of threads on this topic. If there is a delay we will have a low WAF.

How do you know the MS-keypad controller/condition combination is the cause of this. The keypad is in the laundry room and none of the secondary buttons are in use so I can swap the keypad for a switchlinc. Easy to do to prevent another all on. We are going to gut the laundry room in a few months so I was planning ahead with the Kpl.

I have some extra lamplincs courtesy of the holiday sale. I may add one to the isy and create a scene with no other controllers. Maybe a program that if the status is on then turn off all the lights.

Thank you,

Eric

[No Pressure]

Michel,

 

This wasn't the first time this occurred.  I ignored the earlier instance(s) by blaming them on my bad programming.  This time my wife happened to be walking down our main staircase when the house lit up and the garage doors opened.  I might be able to write off randomly opening doors but I can't ignore the wife.

 

There are no scenes, programs, etc, in my system that connects all of these events so we definitely have an issue.  As always I know your support will be first rate.  I'll send the log shortly.

 

Thanks

[Michel Kohanim]

Hi Eric,

 

Yiu cannot do what you are currently doing. If the motion sensor is a controller in a scene it sends an on when motion is sensed and off after the timeout. Please use either a program or a scene.

 

Hi No Pressure,

 

Was a motion sensor tripped when your wife was going down the stairs?

 

With kind regards,

Michel

[EricK]

Hi Eric,

Yiu cannot do what you are currently doing. If the motion sensor is a controller in a scene it sends an on when motion is sensed and off after the timeout. Please use either a program or a scene.

With kind regards,

Michel

Michel,

The way I have this set up works fine. I'm using the on only option, so the light does not turn off after the time out. This has to mean that an off is not sent.

What is the evidence that the MS has anything to do with the all on?

Eric

[Michel Kohanim]

Hi Eric,

 

The evidence is empirical. If you look at all the posts related to All On 99% are related to motion sensors and KPL backlights.

 

With kind regards,

Michel

[EricK]

I'll have to read the entire thread again, but I have been following it over the last few months. I thought a lot of the all ons had to do with garage doors. In the mean time, no repeats events for me.

[Xathros]

EricK-

 

In many cases a garage door is involved in the all on but rarely is the cause.  The garage door opening is the result of the All On event triggering the IOLinc's relay in the same way these events turn on all of the lights.

 

-Xathros

[EricK]

Ugh. Just experienced another all on event, see the last few posts in this aged thread. This likely occurred after my wife went into the pantry to get the dog a treat after letting him out. Pantry light switchlinc would have turned on by the motion sensor (on only) by a scene. I then have a program to turn off the pantry lights after 7 minutes. No kpl is involved.

So should I eliminate the program for the motion sensor. I can then probably just use the motion sensor time out to turn off the lights. I would honestly just place a non-insteon motion sensor switch in the pantry, but the pantry door is always open and anytime someone walked by the lights would come on.

My other MS is out of service since we are doing some renovations in the laundry room, so that one was not the culprit.

[Michel Kohanim]

Hi EricK,

 

Please checkout this article:

http://wiki.universal-devices.com/index.php?title=INSTEON_Random_All_On_Events

 

With kind regards,

Michel