Mike Ippolito Posted September 25, 2014 Posted September 25, 2014 Hello beautiful, welcome to the family. (well almost)With its dual 10 amps of pure 220v switching power it's not only beautiful, but strong too.Say hello to ISY2RELAY our newest addition to the ISY family. Easily connected to your ISY via the Port A this relay controller is fully available to include in your programs and up to your imagination. Need to turn your pool pump, compressor, or other high voltage load on or off? How about include in programs to respond to an OpenADR event? No problem. With two discrete 220/10A relays you can really take a load off. Want something a bit lighter? The ISY2RELAY is also available in a low power mode with two options per relay N/O or N/C and a COM up to 24v 2A.Want one? Well unless you're in Nevada (and already in line for one) you'll have to wait for the 'official' release later this year. This baby will hit the streets in early 2015 to a ISY near you. The ISY2RELAY can be used with our ZigBee PRO, ZigBee SEP, or Z-Wave ISY versions. Sorry, Insteon users that Port A is already being used... but you can always add another ISY to your network
Teken Posted September 26, 2014 Posted September 26, 2014 Hello Mike, If this device has not been finalized I believe it needs to have a 30 amp relay instead. This will allow it to control more devices and have more flexibility in various environments and use case. ie. Hot Water Tank, Sump Pump,
Apogee50 Posted September 26, 2014 Posted September 26, 2014 Ditto that. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
ravedog Posted September 26, 2014 Posted September 26, 2014 I'm confused. This is controlled only via cable? Kind of limits its usefulness. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
Teken Posted September 26, 2014 Posted September 26, 2014 I was hoping it was a combination of RF, WiFi, Ethernet. Being wired directly to the ISY would prove challenging for many people I believe. Encrypted By: Phoenix Security Solutions
MWareman Posted September 26, 2014 Posted September 26, 2014 It also means you cannot connect a PLM at the same time, since it connects to the same port. I'm not sure why there is not a 'pass-thru' of some kind, and the ability to chain many together to enable multiple relays to be connected.
Teken Posted September 26, 2014 Posted September 26, 2014 It also means you cannot connect a PLM at the same time, since it connects to the same port. I'm not sure why there is not a 'pass-thru' of some kind, and the ability to chain many together to enable multiple relays to be connected. I too am confused as Mike's initial post states its for the: The ISY2RELAY can be used with our ZigBee PRO, ZigBee SEP, or Z-Wave ISY versions. Sorry, Insteon users that Port A is already being used I have a ISY-994 iZ Pro which already uses Port A for the 2413 PLM. So how does this new *Relay* get connected to the ISY?
ravedog Posted September 27, 2014 Posted September 27, 2014 Is this a product looking for a solution? Can you expand on its application and implementation? Thanks.
Mike Ippolito Posted September 27, 2014 Author Posted September 27, 2014 Thanks for all the feedback - it is appreciated. The product has a solution, and a customer base already. It was designed to be 'hard' connected for a reason. Commercial use. While many of 'us' bleeding edge guys can take a lost message or two - in the commercial world we cannot. If I ask a relay to react to a program, it has to - period. Walking into a business and installing an OpenADR solution that will work 100% of the time means hard connects. I can't rely on wireless communications in all situations - what if the company produces and tests (insert wireless protocol name here) devices? Or is on a cellular connection with no "always on" network? I'm suddenly without a solution. It was specifically designed for 10 amps to fit a customer requirement, while I did use relays that are certified for up to 20 amps, actually delivering 20 amps in a always-on situation is difficult. (wire size, heat issues, etc..) For residential use will the 14 gauge pigtail wire work? Sure. Will I certify it - nope, cannot. Most of the avid users of the ISY (on this forum) are strictly looking at it as the most flexible and extensible 'HOME' automation system. However, the ISY is actually very well suited for the SMB market as an EMS/BMS solution. These requirements more than often sacrifice ease of install; for reliability and function are most important. All that being said.. if you want a 30 amp version, we can do it. Put it in the products request section and we'll look into it.
ravedog Posted September 27, 2014 Posted September 27, 2014 Ahhh now it makes sense! Thanks for expanding!!! Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
Teken Posted September 27, 2014 Posted September 27, 2014 New thread to track this effort is located here: http://forum.universal-devices.com/topic/14191-isy-relay-request/
larryllix Posted September 28, 2014 Posted September 28, 2014 Thanks for all the feedback - it is appreciated. The product has a solution, and a customer base already. It was designed to be 'hard' connected for a reason. Commercial use. While many of 'us' bleeding edge guys can take a lost message or two - in the commercial world we cannot. If I ask a relay to react to a program, it has to - period. Walking into a business and installing an OpenADR solution that will work 100% of the time means hard connects. I can't rely on wireless communications in all situations - what if the company produces and tests (insert wireless protocol name here) devices? Or is on a cellular connection with no "always on" network? I'm suddenly without a solution. It was specifically designed for 10 amps to fit a customer requirement, while I did use relays that are certified for up to 20 amps, actually delivering 20 amps in a always-on situation is difficult. (wire size, heat issues, etc..) For residential use will the 14 gauge pigtail wire work? Sure. Will I certify it - nope, cannot. Most of the avid users of the ISY (on this forum) are strictly looking at it as the most flexible and extensible 'HOME' automation system. However, the ISY is actually very well suited for the SMB market as an EMS/BMS solution. These requirements more than often sacrifice ease of install; for reliability and function are most important. All that being said.. if you want a 30 amp version, we can do it. Put it in the products request section and we'll look into it. We had many systems run on RF signals in our Electrical Energy Grid stations but the controls had 360 degree feedback from finish back to start so that measures could be taken if the control was not successful. Retries could be done and even right down to a Lineman taking a truck to the remote location and operating the device by hand. This was for manual operations though. Some cross province protection systems are operated by radio signals but always have duplicate or backup systems in place for a second line of defence. Inside a station only hard wiring was used even with a complete comm bus (Ethernet, RS485 or RS232) for information paralleling it.
builderb Posted November 8, 2014 Posted November 8, 2014 Does this mean an ISY with one Port A on it can only control one of these relays? Or is there going to be a way to connect multiple relays to the ISY through that one port?
Teken Posted January 20, 2015 Posted January 20, 2015 Does this mean an ISY with one Port A on it can only control one of these relays? Or is there going to be a way to connect multiple relays to the ISY through that one port? I wanted to know where this device is on the 2015 road map. Along with builderb's question answered.
Teken Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 I wanted to know where this device is on the 2015 road map. Along with builderb's question answered. ?!?!
Teken Posted January 27, 2015 Posted January 27, 2015 Is this thread not being monitored? Has this project been shelved? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Mike Ippolito Posted January 28, 2015 Author Posted January 28, 2015 I wanted to know where this device is on the 2015 road map. Along with builderb's question answered. Sorry, for some reason I did not get any notification on these posts to the thread. The device is slated for Q2 deployment and will take over the Port A. It is in response to requirements for commercial automation without INSTEON. The ability to add more device types to Port A is slated for evaluation in FY15 with our current hardware.
arw01 Posted January 29, 2015 Posted January 29, 2015 For me, the relay needs to be bigger. I just installed a machine that requires 40 amps of 220 (completly assinine since it's a 22 amp max draw and uses number 12 wires inside, but I vent), so even the 30 amp version would not be "proper" choice but I am sure would be fine. A plane and normal ISY out in the shop with a few of these could be intersting, I have insteon on there for a floor heater and on occassion it has NOT turned off so the shop gets real warm. That;'s just a 120v appliance linc though. Any know of a timer that would always turn off say after an hour that I could put in line and would reset everytime it starts back up to be one hour? Alan
stusviews Posted January 29, 2015 Posted January 29, 2015 The ability to add more device types to Port A is slated for evaluation in FY15 with our current hardware. Does "more device types" refer to different kinds of devices or more than one device at a time?
Mike Ippolito Posted January 30, 2015 Author Posted January 30, 2015 Does "more device types" refer to different kinds of devices or more than one device at a time? As I stated.. it is being evaluated, and at this juncture I cannot say which direction we will take.
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