jjsmd Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 Hi: New purchaser of an ISY994 IZW and I've been setting up and including my Z wave devices untill I ran into trouble with a 4 way setup. I have the Leviton VRE06-1LZ set up as the master switch connected to the load, and I have 2 "VRCZ1-1LZ virtual matching dimmer remotes" set up at remote locations for a virtual 4 way setup. I know the setup is correct because I can get it to work ( by associating the virtual remote switches to the master) with Leviton"s installer software. I was trying to switch everything over to ISY and was recreating my Z wave network from scratch but 1) the ISY994 IZW doesn't seem to detect the signal from the remote switches. it doesn't register when I try to exclude or include them ? 2) Even if (or when) I would get them to register into ISY, how do I go about making an association between the master and the slave? I don't see any commands for association. Any advice appreciated Thanks Joe
Michel Kohanim Posted January 14, 2015 Posted January 14, 2015 Hi Joe, Unfortunately multi channel support is not yet supported and thus the issue. This said we are working on it as we speak. With kind regards, Michel
jjsmd Posted January 15, 2015 Author Posted January 15, 2015 Hi Thanks for your reply. Is there any workaround for using a 3 or 4 way at the present time? Thanks Joe
Michel Kohanim Posted January 15, 2015 Posted January 15, 2015 Hi Joe, Unfortunately not. I am sorry. With kind regards, Michel
416to305 Posted January 16, 2015 Posted January 16, 2015 If it's a big deal and urgent, you could always look and see about picking up a used Vera for cheap, as they just updated them so probably inexpensive now, around $100 or less. You could then use the ISY plugin and Network Module to get control of those devices as I imagine they cost a lot being Leviton Z-Wave. What you'd do is connect them all to the Vera, not the ISY. To control them from the ISY you'd have to use programs and network resource to turn them on or off on the Vera, but the Vera can also update variables on the ISY to indicate if they are on or off etc. That's how I had my set up for awhile, had the ISY without Z-Wave, but Vera doing the Z-Wave connected to ISY with the plugin. I'd have it do things even like if Z-Wave motion is detected on a motion sensor on the Vera, then turn on an Insteon light on the ISY, worked amazing. Then in the flip side, things like if motion was detected on the ISY, use network resource to turn Z-Wave light connected to the Vera on. Or you can use the Vera for the programming which you'd probably want. So if variable on the ISY changes to 1, the Vera sees that, and it triggers it to turn on the main light etc. That's what I love with it, they integrate easily together for the most part, so it's handy having a Vera just for unsupported devices.
geoffschultz Posted December 8, 2016 Posted December 8, 2016 Unfortunately multi channel support is not yet supported and thus the issue. This said we are working on it as we speak. Are there any updates related to this? -- Geoff
Michel Kohanim Posted December 8, 2016 Posted December 8, 2016 Hi Geoff, What's your ISY's firmware version? With kind regards, Michel
geoffschultz Posted December 20, 2016 Posted December 20, 2016 Michel, I missed your response, hence the long time to reply. Anyhow, I'm running 4.5.4 and am running zwave 4.55. When I try to add the VRCZ1, it detects the device, but it never gets added to the device list. Here's what the event log shows: Tue 12/20/2016 05:27:42 PM : Listening for Z-Wave devices to add to the network Tue 12/20/2016 05:27:55 PM : Z-Wave device detected, retrieving info 2 Tue 12/20/2016 05:27:58 PM : Z-Wave device detected, retrieving info 4 Tue 12/20/2016 05:28:23 PM : Adding Z-Wave devices stopped Tue 12/20/2016 05:28:23 PM : Z-Wave device detected, retrieving info 7 -- Geoff
Michel Kohanim Posted December 21, 2016 Posted December 21, 2016 Hi Geoff, Thank you. We should have 5.0.8 (alpha) out before the end of the year. It should solve the issue you are having. With kind regards, Michel
geoffschultz Posted December 29, 2016 Posted December 29, 2016 Any chance that we'll actually see 5.0.8 (alpha) this year?
danbutter Posted December 29, 2016 Posted December 29, 2016 Any chance that we'll actually see 5.0.8 (alpha) this year? http://forum.universal-devices.com/topic/20686-release-508-alpha-is-now-available/
geoffschultz Posted December 30, 2016 Posted December 30, 2016 I upgrade to 5.0.8 and tried adding a Leviton VRE06-1LZ and it didn't succeed. Here's what I saw:
Michel Kohanim Posted December 30, 2016 Posted December 30, 2016 Hi geoffshultz, Did you try excluding before including? With kind regards, Michel
geoffschultz Posted January 1, 2017 Posted January 1, 2017 I've tried excluding, which completes when I push a button on the switch, but I get the same result when trying to add/include the switch. -- Geoff
Michel Kohanim Posted January 1, 2017 Posted January 1, 2017 Hi Geoff, Thank you. This is very odd. Do you have more of these remote switches? If so, does the same happen with others? And, based on the post, I assume that that master works, correct? With kind regards, Michel
geoffschultz Posted January 1, 2017 Posted January 1, 2017 I reset the VRCZ1 and then was able to add/include it. Here's a log of it working correctly: Sun 01/01/2017 04:41:52 PM : Listening for Z-Wave devices to add to the network Sun 01/01/2017 04:41:55 PM : Z-Wave device detected, retrieving info 2 Sun 01/01/2017 04:41:55 PM : Z-Wave device detected, retrieving info 4 Sun 01/01/2017 04:41:58 PM : Z-Wave device detected, retrieving info 5 Sun 01/01/2017 04:41:58 PM : [ZWAVE-INCL-NODE ] New controller is now SIS Sun 01/01/2017 04:41:59 PM : Adding Z-Wave devices stopped Sun 01/01/2017 04:41:59 PM : Device 39 of type 2.2.0 included into Z-Wave network Sun 01/01/2017 04:41:59 PM : Adding ISY node(s) for new Z-Wave device 39 type 2.2.0 Sun 01/01/2017 04:41:59 PM : Adding additional nodes for new Z-Wave device 39 Sun 01/01/2017 04:42:15 PM : Adding associations for new Z-Wave device 39 Now the question is how do I associate the remote with the master VRE06-1LZ? -- Geoff
geoffschultz Posted January 3, 2017 Posted January 3, 2017 if I view all of the information about the VRCZ1-1LZ in the event viewer, here's what I see. As it shows, it's only associated with the ISY. How do I associate it with the VRE06-1LZ? Also, the only thing that I can do with it is to query it. I receive no events, so I can't even write a program to turn on the VRE06-1LZ. Am I missing something? I get events from the VRE06. -- Geoff Tue 01/03/2017 07:05:05 AM : [ZW-SHOW ] ---------------------------------------------- Tue 01/03/2017 07:05:05 AM : [ZW-SHOW ] ZW039_1 uid=39 type=2.2.0 mid=29 tid=3330 pid=548 model=0 Tue 01/03/2017 07:05:05 AM : [ZW-SHOW ] - x85 V0 ASSOCIATION Tue 01/03/2017 07:05:05 AM : [ZW-SHOW ] - x82 V0 HAIL Tue 01/03/2017 07:05:05 AM : [ZW-SHOW ] - x72 V0 MANUFACTURER_SPECIFIC Tue 01/03/2017 07:05:05 AM : [ZW-SHOW ] - x86 V0 VERSION Tue 01/03/2017 07:05:05 AM : [ZW-SHOW ] - x77 V0 NODE_NAMING Tue 01/03/2017 07:05:05 AM : [ZW-SHOW ] - x91 V0 MANUFACTURER_PROPRIETARY Tue 01/03/2017 07:05:05 AM : [ZW-SHOW ] - xEF V0 MARK Tue 01/03/2017 07:05:05 AM : [ZW-SHOW ] Tue 01/03/2017 07:05:05 AM : [ZW-SHOW ] Node 39 - ZW Kitchen Downlights Remote has the following neighbors Tue 01/03/2017 07:05:05 AM : [ZW-SHOW ] - - Node 1 - [This ISY] Tue 01/03/2017 07:05:05 AM : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 6 - ZW Office Wall Splashes Tue 01/03/2017 07:05:05 AM : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 16 - ZW Dining Room Wall Splashes Tue 01/03/2017 07:05:05 AM : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 21 - ZW Kitchen Table Tue 01/03/2017 07:05:05 AM : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 24 - ZW Kitchen Downlights Tue 01/03/2017 07:05:05 AM : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 27 - ZW Kitchen Wall Splashes Tue 01/03/2017 07:05:05 AM : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 28 - ZW 1st Floor Hall Tue 01/03/2017 07:05:05 AM : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 33 - ZW Family Room Fan Tue 01/03/2017 07:05:05 AM : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 36 - ZW Island Pendants Tue 01/03/2017 07:05:05 AM : [ZW-SHOW ] Tue 01/03/2017 07:05:05 AM : [ZW-SHOW ] Node 39 - ZW Kitchen Downlights Remote has 1 association group Tue 01/03/2017 07:05:05 AM : [ZW-SHOW ] Associations for group 001 of ZW039_1 ZW Kitchen Downlights Remote Tue 01/03/2017 07:05:05 AM : [ZW-SHOW ] - Node 1 - [This ISY] Tue 01/03/2017 07:05:05 AM : [ZW-SHOW ] Tue 01/03/2017 07:05:05 AM : [ZW-SHOW ] ----------------------------------------------
Michel Kohanim Posted January 4, 2017 Posted January 4, 2017 Hi Geoff, You should put them in scenes with responders. With kind regards, Michel
geoffschultz Posted January 4, 2017 Posted January 4, 2017 Hi Geoff, You should put them in scenes with responders. With kind regards, Michel I've tried this,but the remote VRCZ1-1LZ will only add to the scene as a responder. I would have thought that it should be a controller. The VRE06-1LZ can be added as a controller or a responder. Here's an image showing the scene with the 2 devices in it. What does the "Action" field do? Where do I find documentation describing this and what the controls in the middle panel do?
andyf0 Posted January 4, 2017 Posted January 4, 2017 Currently, in 5.0.8, most Z-Wave devices cannot be added to a scene as a controller. I do have one Z-Wave Plus switch with reported scene capabilities that can be added as a controller, but it doesn't work. Whether this is just not implemented yet, or a bug, I don't know. Here are the action definitions:
Chris Jahn Posted January 5, 2017 Posted January 5, 2017 if I view all of the information about the VRCZ1-1LZ in the event viewer, here's what I see. As it shows, it's only associated with the ISY. How do I associate it with the VRE06-1LZ? Also, the only thing that I can do with it is to query it. I receive no events, so I can't even write a program to turn on the VRE06-1LZ. Am I missing something? I get events from the VRE06. -- Geoff Tue 01/03/2017 07:05:05 AM : [ZW-SHOW ] ---------------------------------------------- Tue 01/03/2017 07:05:05 AM : [ZW-SHOW ] ZW039_1 uid=39 type=2.2.0 mid=29 tid=3330 pid=548 model=0 Tue 01/03/2017 07:05:05 AM : [ZW-SHOW ] - x85 V0 ASSOCIATION Tue 01/03/2017 07:05:05 AM : [ZW-SHOW ] - x82 V0 HAIL Tue 01/03/2017 07:05:05 AM : [ZW-SHOW ] - x72 V0 MANUFACTURER_SPECIFIC Tue 01/03/2017 07:05:05 AM : [ZW-SHOW ] - x86 V0 VERSION Tue 01/03/2017 07:05:05 AM : [ZW-SHOW ] - x77 V0 NODE_NAMING Tue 01/03/2017 07:05:05 AM : [ZW-SHOW ] - x91 V0 MANUFACTURER_PROPRIETARY Tue 01/03/2017 07:05:05 AM : [ZW-SHOW ] - xEF V0 MARK Tue 01/03/2017 07:05:05 AM : [ZW-SHOW ] Hi Geoff, Based on the command classes this device supports and the implied functionality of the switch, we will likely have to write some custom code to make it work. By the description, I'm guessing this is simply a remote switch that has no scene capability itself; instead it is used to trigger scenes created from the actual scene-capable switch it gets associated with.
geoffschultz Posted January 5, 2017 Posted January 5, 2017 Andy, thanks for the info. I created a new scene with 2 VRE06-1LZ switches in it. I placed 1 of them into controller mode and left the other as a responder. When I press the button on the controller, here's what I see in the event log Thu 01/05/2017 04:50:01 AM : [ ZW042_1] ST 0 (uom=51 prec=0) Thu 01/05/2017 04:50:01 AM : [ ZW042_1] DOF 0 (uom=51 prec=0) If I place it in Device Communication Events mode, I see the following: Thu 01/05/2017 04:51:10 AM : [ZWAVE-RX ] [01150049842A0F04110426272B2C857286917773EF829C]REQ ZW_APPLICATION_UPDATE Thu 01/05/2017 04:51:11 AM : [ZWAVE-TX ZW042_1] [26/02] Dimmer Switch Get ACK,AUTO,EXPLORE To=0x2A Thu 01/05/2017 04:51:11 AM : [ZWAVE-RX ] [0104011301E8] [00/00] CC=0x00 cmd=0x00 [] ACK,AUTO,EXPLORE Thu 01/05/2017 04:51:11 AM : [ZWAVE-RX ] [01050013800069] [00/00] CC=0x00 cmd=0x00 [] ACK,AUTO,EXPLORE Thu 01/05/2017 04:51:11 AM : [ZWAVE-RX ZW042_1] [22/01] CC=0x22 cmd=0x01 [0000] ACK,AUTO,EXPLORE From=0x2A Thu 01/05/2017 04:51:11 AM : [ZWAVE-RX ZW042_1] [22/01] CC=0x22 cmd=0x01 [0000] ACK,AUTO,EXPLORE From=0x2A Thu 01/05/2017 04:51:11 AM : [ZWAVE-RX ZW042_1] [82/01] Hail ACK,AUTO,EXPLORE From=0x2A Thu 01/05/2017 04:51:16 AM : [ZWAVE-TX ZW042_1] [26/02] Dimmer Switch Get ACK,AUTO,EXPLORE To=0x2A Thu 01/05/2017 04:51:16 AM : [ZWAVE-RX ] [0104011301E8] [00/00] CC=0x00 cmd=0x00 [] ACK,AUTO,EXPLORE Thu 01/05/2017 04:51:16 AM : [ZWAVE-RX ] [01050013800069] [00/00] CC=0x00 cmd=0x00 [] ACK,AUTO,EXPLORE Thu 01/05/2017 04:51:16 AM : [ZWAVE-RX ZW042_1] [26/03] Dimmer Switch Report val=0x00 ACK,AUTO,EXPLORE From=0x2A Thu 01/05/2017 04:51:16 AM : [D2D EVENT ] Event [ZW042_1] [sT] [0] uom=51 prec=0 Thu 01/05/2017 04:51:16 AM : [ ZW042_1] ST 0 (uom=51 prec=0) Thu 01/05/2017 04:51:16 AM : [D2D EVENT ] Event [ZW042_1] [DOF] [0] uom=51 prec=0 Thu 01/05/2017 04:51:16 AM : [ ZW042_1] DOF 0 (uom=51 prec=0) Thu 01/05/2017 04:51:16 AM : [ZWAVE-TX ZW042_1] [26/02] Dimmer Switch Get ACK,AUTO,EXPLORE To=0x2A Thu 01/05/2017 04:51:16 AM : [ZWAVE-RX ] [0104011301E8] [00/00] CC=0x00 cmd=0x00 [] ACK,AUTO,EXPLORE Thu 01/05/2017 04:51:16 AM : [ZWAVE-RX ] [01050013810068] [00/00] CC=0x00 cmd=0x00 [] ACK,AUTO,EXPLORE Thu 01/05/2017 04:51:16 AM : [ZWAVE-RX ZW042_1] [26/03] Dimmer Switch Report val=0x00 ACK,AUTO,EXPLORE From=0x2A Now I'll fully state that I am a newbie at debugging ISY/Z-Wave stuff, but I've been writing software for 40+ years (including OS internals), so I have a reasonable background to interpret trace logs. I would have guessed that I would have seen a transmit of a command to ZW041_1 (which is the responder), but I see nothing. If I test the scene, which works properly, I see 2 transmits (one to each device). I'm guessing that it's not repeating the command as specified by the "default" action type setting. This is really an off-shoot of my VRCZ1-1LZ issue, but it was the only way I could think of to test scenes with a controller/responder. I will also state that I haven't found anyone who has gotten this combination to work properly using any system (Vera, SmartThings, and even the VRCPG which the documentation references), so it may be that this just doesn't really work. -- Geoff
geoffschultz Posted January 5, 2017 Posted January 5, 2017 Hi Geoff, Based on the command classes this device supports and the implied functionality of the switch, we will likely have to write some custom code to make it work. By the description, I'm guessing this is simply a remote switch that has no scene capability itself; instead it is used to trigger scenes created from the actual scene-capable switch it gets associated with. Chris, I believe that you are making a correct statement as the VRCZ1-1LZ is purely a virtual remote switch with no load capability. And from what I understand, it sends direct commands to the switch that it's associated with it (i.e. on/off/dim/brighten/etc). However, I don't see how to associate devices. I consider it strange that when you include it, it shows up as a controller, but appears only as a responder in a scene. That, combined with the experiment that I ran above, is a problem. -- Geoff
andyf0 Posted January 5, 2017 Posted January 5, 2017 From what I've been able to ascertain (and I may be totally off base here) 3 way switch configurations in Z-Wave are similar to non-automated 3 way switch setups in that a traveller is required from the remote switch to the main switch (why the remote switches cost so much less). The remote switch transfers the on/off/dim commands to the main switch via the traveller and the main switch controls the load. I'm surprised the remote switch had Z-Wave capabilities and you were able to include it. It is difficult to transition from Insteon to Z-Wave because the concepts are totally different sometimes. Thus the confusion between Insteon scenes and Z-Wave scenes. IMO Insteon seems to be the most friendly solution.
geoffschultz Posted January 5, 2017 Posted January 5, 2017 From what I've been able to ascertain (and I may be totally off base here) 3 way switch configurations in Z-Wave are similar to non-automated 3 way switch setups in that a traveller is required from the remote switch to the main switch (why the remote switches cost so much less). The remote switch transfers the on/off/dim commands to the main switch via the traveller and the main switch controls the load. I'm surprised the remote switch had Z-Wave capabilities and you were able to include it. It is difficult to transition from Insteon to Z-Wave because the concepts are totally different sometimes. Thus the confusion between Insteon scenes and Z-Wave scenes. IMO Insteon seems to be the most friendly solution. The LRCZ1-1LZ doesn't have a traveller & doesn't need to be physically connected in any manner. I am however looking at a non-Z-Wave solution as in this case as I have a traveler. I may be mistaken, but I thought that when devices were associated with one another, that they could directly send commands to one another without the need for a controller and scenes.
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