February 9, 201510 yr Yup did heal. I have a bunch of devices that say repeater when I query the device capabilities and that are close to the lock (within 6 feet of the lock) Edited February 9, 201510 yr by Scyto
February 10, 201510 yr Hi Scyto, Thanks so very much for the update. What's the battery level on that door lock? Also, are there other Z-Wave devices in the same vicinity and, if so, do they work properly? With kind regards, Michel
February 11, 201510 yr Also, the repeaters that are trying to communicate with the lock have to be "beaming capable" which not all do.
February 11, 201510 yr What's not clear to me (yet), ISY knows which devices are repeaters, but does not indicate if it knows a repeater is beaming capable. My concern is it looks like ISY calculates routes being ignorant of this, so I have some routes to my locks going thru repeaters that cannot beam. I suspect this may be something to do with unreliable lock operation in my installation. I've not been able to confirm this yet though.
February 11, 201510 yr I completely agree! It is confusing, but from my limited research it seems to be related to what Z-Wave firmware is included in the device? Hopefully UDI can provide more info.
February 11, 201510 yr Hi guys, ISY's routing algorithm/healing is pretty much the algorithm provided by Sigma. With kind regards, Michel
February 12, 201510 yr Michel, I guess the fundamental question I have is: During route calculation does ISY consider as a route candidate for reaching a lock (or, frankly any battery powered device) repeater capable devices that ISY does not know supports beaming? Bonus question: Is there any way beaming capability of a device can be exposed thru the API network enumeration? The issue I seem to have is that I believe I have some repeater devices that I know don't support beaming that still list my lock as a neighbor. I would think the Sigma algorithm wouldn't allow this. Could this lead to poor or sporadic lock (and other battery device) communication? Michael.
February 13, 201510 yr Hi Michael, I am so very sorry but I really cannot answer those questions: ISY does NOT directly calculate any routes. There's a Z-Wave function we use which does that. With kind regards, Michel
February 13, 201510 yr Hi Michael, I am so very sorry but I really cannot answer those questions: ISY does NOT directly calculate any routes. There's a Z-Wave function we use which does that. With kind regards, Michel Worth asking though. I wonder if Sigma details how they do it though.... Must go review their document again.
February 14, 201510 yr Hi Scyto, Thanks so very much for the update. What's the battery level on that door lock? Also, are there other Z-Wave devices in the same vicinity and, if so, do they work properly? With kind regards, Michel Hi Michael I put fresh batteries in so 100%. The repeater from Aeotec made no difference. I believe I have multiple devices in the same area, for example the switch is within 4 feet, node 13 is within 8 feet and node 15 within 20 feet. all my z-wave devices seem to work. I have not tried taking the ISY from the basement to the locks location. The lock appears to include and exclude from an aeotec stick just fine. The lock worked on my revolv perfectly. Fri 02/13/2015 19:36:07 : [ZW-SHOW ] ---------------------------------------------- Fri 02/13/2015 19:36:07 : [ZW-SHOW ] ZW003_1 uid=3 type=4.16.1 mid=99 tid=21079 pid=13619 model=0 Fri 02/13/2015 19:36:07 : [ZW-SHOW ] - x25 V0 SWITCH_BINARY Fri 02/13/2015 19:36:07 : [ZW-SHOW ] - x27 V0 SWITCH_ALL Fri 02/13/2015 19:36:07 : [ZW-SHOW ] - x73 V0 POWERLEVEL Fri 02/13/2015 19:36:07 : [ZW-SHOW ] - x70 V1 CONFIGURATION Fri 02/13/2015 19:36:07 : [ZW-SHOW ] - x86 V0 VERSION Fri 02/13/2015 19:36:07 : [ZW-SHOW ] - x72 V1 MANUFACTURER_SPECIFIC Fri 02/13/2015 19:36:07 : [ZW-SHOW ] - x77 V0 NODE_NAMING Fri 02/13/2015 19:36:07 : [ZW-SHOW ] Fri 02/13/2015 19:36:07 : [ZW-SHOW ] Node 3 - Back Porch Lanterns has the following neighbors Fri 02/13/2015 19:36:07 : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 2 - Front Porch and Lanterns Fri 02/13/2015 19:36:07 : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 4 - Front Balcony Fri 02/13/2015 19:36:07 : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 5 - Xmas Lights Fri 02/13/2015 19:36:07 : [ZW-SHOW ] - - Node 9 - Front Deadbolt Fri 02/13/2015 19:36:07 : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 11 - TV On-Off Power Switch Fri 02/13/2015 19:36:07 : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 12 - AV On-Off Power Switch Fri 02/13/2015 19:36:07 : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 13 - ZW 013 On-Off Power Switch Fri 02/13/2015 19:36:07 : [ZW-SHOW ] - - Node 14 - Front Lever Lock Fri 02/13/2015 19:36:07 : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 15 - ZW 015 Repeater Fri 02/13/2015 19:36:07 : [ZW-SHOW ] Fri 02/13/2015 19:36:07 : [ZW-SHOW ] Node 3 - Back Porch Lanterns does not support associations Fri 02/13/2015 19:36:07 : [ZW-SHOW ] Fri 02/13/2015 19:36:07 : [ZW-SHOW ] ----------------------------------------------
February 14, 201510 yr Open event viewer and use this link in a browser http://isy.ip/rest/zwave/node/show/network using your ISY ip.What do your routes look like as shown when you do the above?
February 15, 201510 yr Hi Scyto, Thank you. In addition to what Jimbo suggests, please right mouse click on your repeaters | Z-Wave | Show Info ... make sure ISY is a neighbor to it or to other repeaters associated with it. With kind regards, Michel
February 16, 201510 yr Hi Michael Yes the repeater is a neighbor of the ISY (thanks jimbo on the network routes, I had been wondering and asking how I saw info for Node 1). Odd to me that nodes 2 and 9 don't see the ISY (these are on ground floor in same location as the front door deadbolt). Node 4 which does see the ISY is on the first floor almost directly above 2 and 9. Question I notice some of these report as repeaters and don't support associations (jasco switches) - does that mater? the routes info: Sun 02/15/2015 18:30:37 : [ZW-SHOW ] ----------------------------------------------Sun 02/15/2015 18:30:37 : [ZW-SHOW ] Node 1 - [This ISY] has the following neighborsSun 02/15/2015 18:30:37 : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 4 - Front BalconySun 02/15/2015 18:30:37 : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 11 - TV On-Off Power SwitchSun 02/15/2015 18:30:37 : [ZW-SHOW ] - - Node 14 - Front Lever LockSun 02/15/2015 18:30:37 : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 15 - ZW 015 RepeaterSun 02/15/2015 18:30:37 : [ZW-SHOW ]Sun 02/15/2015 18:30:38 : [ZW-SHOW ] Node 2 - Front Porch and Lanterns has the following neighborsSun 02/15/2015 18:30:38 : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 3 - Back Porch LanternsSun 02/15/2015 18:30:38 : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 4 - Front BalconySun 02/15/2015 18:30:38 : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 5 - Xmas LightsSun 02/15/2015 18:30:38 : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 6 - Ground LightsSun 02/15/2015 18:30:38 : [ZW-SHOW ] - - Node 9 - Front DeadboltSun 02/15/2015 18:30:38 : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 11 - TV On-Off Power SwitchSun 02/15/2015 18:30:38 : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 12 - AV On-Off Power SwitchSun 02/15/2015 18:30:38 : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 13 - ZW 013 On-Off Power SwitchSun 02/15/2015 18:30:38 : [ZW-SHOW ] - - Node 14 - Front Lever LockSun 02/15/2015 18:30:38 : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 15 - ZW 015 RepeaterSun 02/15/2015 18:30:38 : [ZW-SHOW ]Sun 02/15/2015 18:30:38 : [ZW-SHOW ] Node 3 - Back Porch Lanterns has the following neighborsSun 02/15/2015 18:30:38 : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 2 - Front Porch and LanternsSun 02/15/2015 18:30:38 : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 4 - Front BalconySun 02/15/2015 18:30:38 : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 5 - Xmas LightsSun 02/15/2015 18:30:38 : [ZW-SHOW ] - - Node 9 - Front DeadboltSun 02/15/2015 18:30:38 : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 11 - TV On-Off Power SwitchSun 02/15/2015 18:30:38 : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 12 - AV On-Off Power SwitchSun 02/15/2015 18:30:38 : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 13 - ZW 013 On-Off Power SwitchSun 02/15/2015 18:30:38 : [ZW-SHOW ] - - Node 14 - Front Lever LockSun 02/15/2015 18:30:38 : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 15 - ZW 015 RepeaterSun 02/15/2015 18:30:38 : [ZW-SHOW ]Sun 02/15/2015 18:30:39 : [ZW-SHOW ] Node 4 - Front Balcony has the following neighborsSun 02/15/2015 18:30:39 : [ZW-SHOW ] - - Node 1 - [This ISY]Sun 02/15/2015 18:30:39 : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 2 - Front Porch and LanternsSun 02/15/2015 18:30:39 : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 3 - Back Porch LanternsSun 02/15/2015 18:30:39 : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 5 - Xmas LightsSun 02/15/2015 18:30:39 : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 6 - Ground LightsSun 02/15/2015 18:30:39 : [ZW-SHOW ] - - Node 9 - Front DeadboltSun 02/15/2015 18:30:39 : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 11 - TV On-Off Power SwitchSun 02/15/2015 18:30:39 : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 12 - AV On-Off Power SwitchSun 02/15/2015 18:30:39 : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 13 - ZW 013 On-Off Power SwitchSun 02/15/2015 18:30:39 : [ZW-SHOW ] - - Node 14 - Front Lever LockSun 02/15/2015 18:30:39 : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 15 - ZW 015 RepeaterSun 02/15/2015 18:30:39 : [ZW-SHOW ]Sun 02/15/2015 18:30:40 : [ZW-SHOW ] Node 5 - Xmas Lights has the following neighborsSun 02/15/2015 18:30:40 : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 2 - Front Porch and LanternsSun 02/15/2015 18:30:40 : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 3 - Back Porch LanternsSun 02/15/2015 18:30:40 : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 4 - Front BalconySun 02/15/2015 18:30:40 : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 6 - Ground LightsSun 02/15/2015 18:30:40 : [ZW-SHOW ] - - Node 9 - Front DeadboltSun 02/15/2015 18:30:40 : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 11 - TV On-Off Power SwitchSun 02/15/2015 18:30:40 : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 13 - ZW 013 On-Off Power SwitchSun 02/15/2015 18:30:40 : [ZW-SHOW ] - - Node 14 - Front Lever LockSun 02/15/2015 18:30:40 : [ZW-SHOW ]Sun 02/15/2015 18:30:40 : [ZW-SHOW ] Node 6 - Ground Lights has the following neighborsSun 02/15/2015 18:30:40 : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 2 - Front Porch and LanternsSun 02/15/2015 18:30:40 : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 4 - Front BalconySun 02/15/2015 18:30:40 : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 5 - Xmas LightsSun 02/15/2015 18:30:40 : [ZW-SHOW ] - - Node 9 - Front DeadboltSun 02/15/2015 18:30:40 : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 11 - TV On-Off Power SwitchSun 02/15/2015 18:30:40 : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 13 - ZW 013 On-Off Power SwitchSun 02/15/2015 18:30:40 : [ZW-SHOW ] - - Node 14 - Front Lever LockSun 02/15/2015 18:30:40 : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 15 - ZW 015 RepeaterSun 02/15/2015 18:30:40 : [ZW-SHOW ]Sun 02/15/2015 18:30:41 : [ZW-SHOW ] Node 9 - Front Deadbolt has the following neighborsSun 02/15/2015 18:30:41 : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 2 - Front Porch and LanternsSun 02/15/2015 18:30:41 : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 3 - Back Porch LanternsSun 02/15/2015 18:30:41 : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 4 - Front BalconySun 02/15/2015 18:30:41 : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 5 - Xmas LightsSun 02/15/2015 18:30:41 : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 6 - Ground LightsSun 02/15/2015 18:30:41 : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 11 - TV On-Off Power SwitchSun 02/15/2015 18:30:41 : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 12 - AV On-Off Power SwitchSun 02/15/2015 18:30:41 : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 13 - ZW 013 On-Off Power SwitchSun 02/15/2015 18:30:41 : [ZW-SHOW ] - - Node 14 - Front Lever LockSun 02/15/2015 18:30:41 : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 15 - ZW 015 RepeaterSun 02/15/2015 18:30:41 : [ZW-SHOW ]Sun 02/15/2015 18:30:41 : [ZW-SHOW ] Node 11 - TV On-Off Power Switch has the following neighborsSun 02/15/2015 18:30:41 : [ZW-SHOW ] - - Node 1 - [This ISY]Sun 02/15/2015 18:30:41 : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 2 - Front Porch and LanternsSun 02/15/2015 18:30:41 : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 3 - Back Porch LanternsSun 02/15/2015 18:30:41 : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 4 - Front BalconySun 02/15/2015 18:30:41 : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 5 - Xmas LightsSun 02/15/2015 18:30:41 : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 6 - Ground LightsSun 02/15/2015 18:30:41 : [ZW-SHOW ] - - Node 9 - Front DeadboltSun 02/15/2015 18:30:41 : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 12 - AV On-Off Power SwitchSun 02/15/2015 18:30:41 : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 13 - ZW 013 On-Off Power SwitchSun 02/15/2015 18:30:41 : [ZW-SHOW ] - - Node 14 - Front Lever LockSun 02/15/2015 18:30:41 : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 15 - ZW 015 RepeaterSun 02/15/2015 18:30:42 : [ZW-SHOW ]Sun 02/15/2015 18:30:42 : [ZW-SHOW ] Node 12 - AV On-Off Power Switch has the following neighborsSun 02/15/2015 18:30:42 : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 2 - Front Porch and LanternsSun 02/15/2015 18:30:42 : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 3 - Back Porch LanternsSun 02/15/2015 18:30:42 : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 4 - Front BalconySun 02/15/2015 18:30:42 : [ZW-SHOW ] - - Node 9 - Front DeadboltSun 02/15/2015 18:30:42 : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 11 - TV On-Off Power SwitchSun 02/15/2015 18:30:42 : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 13 - ZW 013 On-Off Power SwitchSun 02/15/2015 18:30:42 : [ZW-SHOW ] - - Node 14 - Front Lever LockSun 02/15/2015 18:30:42 : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 15 - ZW 015 RepeaterSun 02/15/2015 18:30:42 : [ZW-SHOW ]Sun 02/15/2015 18:30:43 : [ZW-SHOW ] Node 13 - ZW 013 On-Off Power Switch has the following neighborsSun 02/15/2015 18:30:43 : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 2 - Front Porch and LanternsSun 02/15/2015 18:30:43 : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 3 - Back Porch LanternsSun 02/15/2015 18:30:43 : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 4 - Front BalconySun 02/15/2015 18:30:43 : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 5 - Xmas LightsSun 02/15/2015 18:30:43 : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 6 - Ground LightsSun 02/15/2015 18:30:43 : [ZW-SHOW ] - - Node 9 - Front DeadboltSun 02/15/2015 18:30:43 : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 11 - TV On-Off Power SwitchSun 02/15/2015 18:30:43 : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 12 - AV On-Off Power SwitchSun 02/15/2015 18:30:43 : [ZW-SHOW ] - - Node 14 - Front Lever LockSun 02/15/2015 18:30:43 : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 15 - ZW 015 RepeaterSun 02/15/2015 18:30:43 : [ZW-SHOW ]Sun 02/15/2015 18:30:43 : [ZW-SHOW ] Node 14 - Front Lever Lock has the following neighborsSun 02/15/2015 18:30:43 : [ZW-SHOW ] - - Node 1 - [This ISY]Sun 02/15/2015 18:30:43 : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 2 - Front Porch and LanternsSun 02/15/2015 18:30:43 : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 3 - Back Porch LanternsSun 02/15/2015 18:30:43 : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 4 - Front BalconySun 02/15/2015 18:30:43 : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 5 - Xmas LightsSun 02/15/2015 18:30:43 : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 6 - Ground LightsSun 02/15/2015 18:30:43 : [ZW-SHOW ] - - Node 9 - Front DeadboltSun 02/15/2015 18:30:43 : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 11 - TV On-Off Power SwitchSun 02/15/2015 18:30:43 : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 12 - AV On-Off Power SwitchSun 02/15/2015 18:30:43 : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 13 - ZW 013 On-Off Power SwitchSun 02/15/2015 18:30:43 : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 15 - ZW 015 RepeaterSun 02/15/2015 18:30:43 : [ZW-SHOW ]Sun 02/15/2015 18:30:44 : [ZW-SHOW ] Node 15 - ZW 015 Repeater has the following neighborsSun 02/15/2015 18:30:44 : [ZW-SHOW ] - - Node 1 - [This ISY]Sun 02/15/2015 18:30:44 : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 2 - Front Porch and LanternsSun 02/15/2015 18:30:44 : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 3 - Back Porch LanternsSun 02/15/2015 18:30:44 : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 4 - Front BalconySun 02/15/2015 18:30:44 : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 6 - Ground LightsSun 02/15/2015 18:30:44 : [ZW-SHOW ] - - Node 9 - Front DeadboltSun 02/15/2015 18:30:44 : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 11 - TV On-Off Power SwitchSun 02/15/2015 18:30:44 : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 12 - AV On-Off Power SwitchSun 02/15/2015 18:30:44 : [ZW-SHOW ] - Repeater - Node 13 - ZW 013 On-Off Power SwitchSun 02/15/2015 18:30:44 : [ZW-SHOW ] - - Node 14 - Front Lever LockSun 02/15/2015 18:30:44 : [ZW-SHOW ]Sun 02/15/2015 18:30:44 : [ZW-SHOW ] ---------------------------------------------- Edited February 16, 201510 yr by Scyto
February 16, 201510 yr I believe that the Jasco switches don't send status when they are changed locally - because (I think) they do not have the ability to support associations (something to do with a Lutron patent I seem to recall...)
February 17, 201510 yr Hi Sycto, MWareman is correct and it should not matter. Is the Lever Lock that's the issue? I do see node 2 is neighbor of node 4 which is neighbor of ISY. And node 15 is the neighbor of both + the Lever Lock. So, with which one do you have communication problems? With kind regards, Michel
February 17, 201510 yr Michel Kohanim, on 16 Feb 2015 - 4:42 PM, said:Michel Kohanim, on 16 Feb 2015 - 4:42 PM, said:Michel Kohanim, on 16 Feb 2015 - 4:42 PM, said:Michel Kohanim, on 16 Feb 2015 - 4:42 PM, said: Hi Sycto, MWareman is correct and it should not matter. Is the Lever Lock that's the issue? I do see node 2 is neighbor of node 4 which is neighbor of ISY. And node 15 is the neighbor of both + the Lever Lock. So, with which one do you have communication problems? With kind regards, Michel Neither, the lock in question is a BE469 on my back door that I am trying to include. The ISY has not seen it on either include or exclude operations. An aeon labs stick happily excludes / includes the lock. The BE469 is very close to the following nodes in this order of physical proximity - 3, 12, 11, 15 The BE469 has new and fresh batteries. The BE469 worked fine with a previous z-wave controller. Yes I know to exclude it before doing the include. Edited February 17, 201510 yr by Scyto
February 17, 201510 yr Thanks Scyto, Do you see any type of traffic whatsoever in the event viewer? Or is it just completely deaf? The fact that it's close to 15 is very strange because 15 is a direct neighbor of ISY. With kind regards, Michel
February 17, 201510 yr Try an ISY reboot then exclude/include -Xathros Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
February 17, 201510 yr @ Michael completely deaf. @ Xathros tried multiple reboots and exclude / include cycles I am in middle of powering my whole house down and up to troubleshoot an insteon comms issue, I will see after that if powercyling all the z-wave devices made a difference...
February 17, 201510 yr Thanks Scyto, Looking forward to your feedback and whatever you find out. With kind regards, Michel
February 17, 201510 yr Scyto, The usual procedure is to power up the PLM first, wait a short time and then power up the PLM.
February 17, 201510 yr stusviews, on 16 Feb 2015 - 5:40 PM, said: Scyto, The usual procedure is to power up the PLM first, wait a short time and then power up the PLM. I am unclear what the PLM has to do with z-wave? Also at this point of time my ISY994i is up and sending commands as usual. It is the other circuits in the house I am powering off (not the PLM / ISY circuit)
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