dth122 Posted October 28, 2008 Posted October 28, 2008 I have a question about setting up scenes on a KPL that I think revolves around my misunderstanding of mutual exclusivity and toggle modes. I have a KPL in 8-button mode. I want to use buttons A-C as scenes, such that when I push the button the scene fades, however necessary. (Could be fade in or fade out depending on what the previous scene is.) Then, I want to use button D as ALL that will toggle all of the lights on and off. Alternatively, I can use two buttons, one for All On and one for All Off, if that's necessary. I configured everything as I think is appropriate. Buttons A-C are in a mutually exclusive group and set to non-toggle. Button D is not mutually exclusive and is set to toggle. I didn't spend a lot of time characterizing the operation, but buttons A-C sort of work sometimes. Occasionally I'll get the scene I want, but usually I'll have to turn the prior scene off first. Button D works to toggle on/off all the time, but after using button D, buttons A-C don't seem to work at all anymore. I tried adding button D to the mutually exclusive list, but that didn't solve the problem. What am I doing wrong? Any help would be appreciated. - Dave
Michel Kohanim Posted October 28, 2008 Posted October 28, 2008 Hi Dave, It would be very difficult to diagnose the problem this way. Would it be possible to login to your system remotely? Also, please note that non-toggle either sends on or off all the time. Furthermore, mutual exclusive buttons do not work if you have them controlled by other switches. With kind regards, Michel I have a question about setting up scenes on a KPL that I think revolves around my misunderstanding of mutual exclusivity and toggle modes. I have a KPL in 8-button mode. I want to use buttons A-C as scenes, such that when I push the button the scene fades, however necessary. (Could be fade in or fade out depending on what the previous scene is.) Then, I want to use button D as ALL that will toggle all of the lights on and off. Alternatively, I can use two buttons, one for All On and one for All Off, if that's necessary. I configured everything as I think is appropriate. Buttons A-C are in a mutually exclusive group and set to non-toggle. Button D is not mutually exclusive and is set to toggle. I didn't spend a lot of time characterizing the operation, but buttons A-C sort of work sometimes. Occasionally I'll get the scene I want, but usually I'll have to turn the prior scene off first. Button D works to toggle on/off all the time, but after using button D, buttons A-C don't seem to work at all anymore. I tried adding button D to the mutually exclusive list, but that didn't solve the problem. What am I doing wrong? Any help would be appreciated. - Dave
dth122 Posted October 28, 2008 Author Posted October 28, 2008 PM sent. Yes - I think non-toggle is what I want. When I push the A-C buttons, I always want that scene to be turned on. Only the All (or All Off) scene on button D should turn everything off. - Dave
Algorithm Posted October 28, 2008 Posted October 28, 2008 Hi Dave, Mutually exclusive buttons only affect the display of the LEDs for the buttons, meaning that at most one button (or no buttons) of the group will have its LED on at any given time. However, as Michel mentioned, if the LEDs get turned on by other scenes, that will break the mutual exclusivity. Further, having a mutually exclusive group does not cause anything linked to the buttons to turn off--only the button LEDs are automatically turned off by the grouping. So your scenes themselves (or programs) must take care of turning off any devices which you want to be off. In short, mutually exclusive button groups can be effective if the scenes they control do take care of turning required devices off as well as on, and provided no other links change the LED status. Otherwise, programs can be used to overcome the limitations and keep things in sync. If this hasn't resolved your problems, please do post (or e-mail me) some screenshots of your scenes (and any related programs), or better yet e-mail me your IP address and I'll have a look at them (please also include your phone number and a time that is convenient for you to receive my call).
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