CSharron Posted November 18, 2015 Posted November 18, 2015 Hello all - Newbie post (at least to these forums), please advise if inappropriate to this forum. Objective is to imitate sunrise/sunset for animals. I had setup Houselinc scenes to control the light loads (which were plugged in to 2472D v .40) to a maximum ramp rate of 8 minutes. This was working quite well, but I decided to move to the ISY994i Pro (ZW/IR) as Houselinc software was no longer supported.I have not been able to figure out how to get the OutletLinc to turn the lights on using the slow ramp rate, even though the device is set to a ramp rate of 8 minutes, and in the scene, the Outletlinc is set to 8 minutes. Note - there is no controller for the scene - it is only triggered by the ISY994i. Any suggestions?Much appreciated, CSharron
stusviews Posted November 18, 2015 Posted November 18, 2015 (edited) Note - there is no controller for the scene - it is only triggered by the ISY994i. Do you mean that you are using a program? If so, paste the program here. Right click on the program name > select Copy to Clipboard. Edited November 18, 2015 by stusviews
LeeG Posted November 18, 2015 Posted November 18, 2015 (edited) CSharron Being invoked from a Program, the Set Scene 'SceneOutletLinc' On will have the PLM as Controller. Need to set the OutletLinc Responder Ramp rate at bottom right side when the Scene name is selected. Edited November 18, 2015 by LeeG
CSharron Posted November 19, 2015 Author Posted November 19, 2015 Excellent! I get a response from both StusViews and LeeG - makes my day. The program is 10. Evening - [iD 001A][Parent 0010] If On Sat, Sun, Mon, Tue, Wed, Thu, Fri Time is 9:14:00PM Then Set Scene 'Evening Halogen Scenes / Halogens / 10. Evening 10' On Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') Not quite sure how to paste a screenshot, LeeG, but the ramp rate for the device in the scene is set to 8 mins. just where you spec'd. On Level is 10% (the next program, set exactly as the first, goes to 0%). Thanks, guys. Christopher
stusviews Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 Ensure that you didn't accidentally set the ramp rate to beyond 8 minutes. Anything beyond that value responds immediately because the 9-minute ramp rate has been discontinued, but it's there for those who have much older devices.
CSharron Posted November 19, 2015 Author Posted November 19, 2015 It steps down without the ramp rate - going from (for example) 80% to 60% in a blink. Dbl-checked - nothing set to more than 8.0 minutes.
stusviews Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 (edited) Ramp rates are based on going from full on (or off) to full off (or on). At 8 minutes, going from 80% to 60% should take a little more than 1-1/2 minutes. What is the result if you set a different ramp rate, say 4 minutes? Edited November 19, 2015 by stusviews
CSharron Posted November 19, 2015 Author Posted November 19, 2015 Updates - of the 3 outletlincs, 1 is working as expected. 1 is not. 1 is unknown. That, at least, might indicate it's quite probably the outletlincs themselves, and not the ISY994 or the programming. I'll do some more sleuthing and get back to you. BTW - Stu, so the slowest a full "off" can go is 8 minutes? Any way around that? I'd love it to be about 30 minutes with a completely gradual off. Again, thanks for all the help (not just here, but on all the forums I've been reading). Christopher
Teken Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 Ramp rates in the past were defined as 9 minutes max. But most recently it has been changed to 8 minutes. The 994 Series Controller can not extend that time to 30 minutes though.
stusviews Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 so the slowest a full "off" can go is 8 minutes? Any way around that? I'd love it to be about 30 minutes with a completely gradual off. Yes, but it'll be a step-wise rather then a gradual dimming. If whatever Then dim device or scene to z% wait x time dim device or scene to y% wait x time dim device or scene to x% wait x time . . . wait x time dim device or scene to 0%
LeeG Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 (edited) CSharron I found one of the 2472D devices would not turn On or Off. It would respond to Fast On and Fast Off which sounds like it was simply using a very slow ramp rate but that was not the case. I finally double tapped the Set button and the OutletLinc responded as it should. Try a Set button double tap on the OutletLinc that appears not to be working at all. Now the OutletLinc takes a full 8 minutes to go from Full Off to Full On.with a Scene On. EDIT: right click on OutletLinc (not Scene) and select Query. It will show the OutletLinc Current State value moving up or down at the 8 minute ramp rate when OutletLinc is reacting to Scene On or Scene Off command. Edited November 19, 2015 by LeeG
MWareman Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 Question. If you dim from 100% to 90% with a ramp rate of 3 minutes, will it take 3 mins to get to 90%? If so, couldn't this be repeated to achieve a 100% to 0% dim over 30 minutes? Sent from my Nexus 9 using Tapatalk
Teken Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 Question. If you dim from 100% to 90% with a ramp rate of 3 minutes, will it take 3 mins to get to 90%? If so, couldn't this be repeated to achieve a 100% to 0% dim over 30 minutes? Sent from my Nexus 9 using Tapatalk As Stu illustrated there is a work around but it would not be a smooth transition. I am unsure if this would be a big issue so long as the lights started to dim in a step fashion which is ultimately what the OP wanted anyways. I just took what the OP had asked at face value and literally and did not consider using other methods to extend the time frame. Stu's suggestion is a great work around for this and to me would fit the OP's needs.
LeeG Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 (edited) MWareman "Question. If you dim from 100% to 90% with a ramp rate of 3 minutes, will it take 3 mins to get to 90%?" No. The Ramp Rate is from Full Off to Full On. From the User Guide..... Definition: Ramp rate is the time it takes OutletLinc Dimmer to go from Full-off to Full-on (& vice versa) That is consistent across the Insteon dimmers. EDIT: the ramp time from 100% to 90% would be 10% of 3 minute Ramp Rate. 180 x .10 = 18 seconds to go from 100% to 90% Edited November 19, 2015 by LeeG
MWareman Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 MWareman "Question. If you dim from 100% to 90% with a ramp rate of 3 minutes, will it take 3 mins to get to 90%?" No. The Ramp Rate is from Full Off to Full On. From the User Guide..... Definition: Ramp rate is the time it takes OutletLinc Dimmer to go from Full-off to Full-on (& vice versa) That is consistent across the Insteon dimmers. EDIT: the ramp time from 100% to 90% would be 10% of 3 minute Ramp Rate. 180 x .10 = 18 seconds to go from 100% to 90% Thanks! That what I thought deep down.
larryllix Posted November 20, 2015 Posted November 20, 2015 (edited) Updates - of the 3 outletlincs, 1 is working as expected. 1 is not. 1 is unknown. That, at least, might indicate it's quite probably the outletlincs themselves, and not the ISY994 or the programming. I'll do some more sleuthing and get back to you. BTW - Stu, so the slowest a full "off" can go is 8 minutes? Any way around that? I'd love it to be about 30 minutes with a completely gradual off. Again, thanks for all the help (not just here, but on all the forums I've been reading). Christopher Here is a v5.x method to ramp up/down at any speed you desire. The in/decrement steps can be 1% per step at any time speed you desire. Note I use two repeat loops as my LED bulbs are very nonlinear. The change from about 30% to 100 % is not that great so I speed it up to 3% per jump. Alternatively, the ramp step time could have been increased for the same effect. If the nonlinearity of the lamp response is not a concern the second loop can be eliminated and the first 'Repeat While' condition set to 100% for simplicity. Test Dim Loop - [ID 00F0][Parent 0001] If - No Conditions - (To add one, press 'Schedule' or 'Condition') Then Set 'Master Bedroom / MBR Wall Lamp' Fast Off $MBR_Lamp.level = 1 Repeat While $MBR_Lamp.level <= 30 Set 'Master Bedroom / MBR Wall Lamp' On '$MBR_Lamp.level %' Wait 1 second $MBR_Lamp.level += 1 Repeat 1 times Repeat While $MBR_Lamp.level <= 100 Set 'Master Bedroom / MBR Wall Lamp' On '$MBR_Lamp.level %' Wait 1 second $MBR_Lamp.level += 3 Repeat 1 times Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') Edited November 20, 2015 by larryllix
stusviews Posted November 20, 2015 Posted November 20, 2015 If whatever Then repeat n times dim device or scene to z% wait x time
jerlands Posted November 20, 2015 Posted November 20, 2015 Here is a v5.x method to ramp up/down at any speed you desire. The in/decrement steps can be 1% per step at any time speed you desire. Note I use two repeat loops as my LED bulbs are very nonlinear. The change from about 30% to 100 % is not that great so I speed it up to 3% per jump. Alternatively, the ramp step time could have been increased for the same effect. If the nonlinearity of the lamp response is not a concern the second loop can be eliminated and the first 'Repeat While' condition set to 100% for simplicity. Test Dim Loop - [ID 00F0][Parent 0001] If - No Conditions - (To add one, press 'Schedule' or 'Condition') Then Set 'Master Bedroom / MBR Wall Lamp' Fast Off $MBR_Lamp.level = 1 Repeat While $MBR_Lamp.level <= 30 Set 'Master Bedroom / MBR Wall Lamp' On '$MBR_Lamp.level %' Wait 1 second $MBR_Lamp.level += 1 Repeat 1 times Repeat While $MBR_Lamp.level <= 100 Set 'Master Bedroom / MBR Wall Lamp' On '$MBR_Lamp.level %' Wait 1 second $MBR_Lamp.level += 3 Repeat 1 times Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') Whoo-hoo Works great and good example of 5.xx new While command.. Thanks, Jon...
CSharron Posted November 21, 2015 Author Posted November 21, 2015 Sheeeeyuuuuut. I had been cooking that concept in my head (how to write a program that would dim 1% every x seconds). Now I don't have to! (Between this and the tutorial at http://forum.universal-devices.com/topic/5410-triggers-and-conditions-and-ifs-oh-my, I have a strong feeling my setup and skills are going to increase at an alarming rate.) And thank you, LeeG, StusViews, Teken, and larryllix. A most impressive response.
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