Beyond Siri: The World Premiere of Viv with Dag Kittlaus

[Scottmichaelj]

Wanted to share: Beyond Siri: The World Premiere of Viv with Dag Kittlaus

 

[Teken]

Read a lot about *Viv* in several news groups and forums I am a member of. This video offered a great over view of the potential Viv has in the future.

 

The one area where it seemed Viv had a advantage over other personal assistance is being able to string along conditions to the end query.

 

The host of the show asked quite a few hard questions of *Dag* and that was great to see. Obviously there were quite a bit he couldn't share probably because its still under development or didn't want to share the secret sauce.

 

I know lots of people have joked about Viv being able to pass the Touring Test in the future. But I personally don't believe we are remotely close to creating a true AI that could ever fool a human being.

 

But then again there are so many dumb people in thew world - Even a half hobbled AI probably would!

 

Lets see what Viv brings to the market place in the next 18 months and circle back on the topic. If I was a betting man the major players like Amazon, Apple, Google, Microsoft, Face Book, are all lined up to snatch this program.

 

God help us all if Google ever has the opportunity to integrate this feature into their massive eco system. 

[paulbates]

In related news, did you see ios 10 is rumored to have a native Homekit app? That could be an effective combo... "If its going to rain can you cancel the sprinklers, shut the garage door", etc..

[kohai]

I haven't really gotten into using voice features.  I haven't ever found them useful in my car and not that accurate on my phone.  It's possible I've never really given them enough effort or tried hard enough to learn the nuances of each system.

[paulbates]

I haven't really gotten into using voice features.  I haven't ever found them useful in my car and not that accurate on my phone.  It's possible I've never really given them enough effort or tried hard enough to learn the nuances of each system.

 

I would say it this way, its long overdue. We were given quadras in the early 90s with limited VR that had a geewiz factor, but worked poorly for cube dwellers with neighbors....neighbors like me who had too much fun interfering with it   From there, a string of VR attempts one after another on desktops, phones and car dashboards. 

 

I've most recently had two iphones which  transcribe speech to text pretty well, I use it all the time to write texts and emails. I use that more and more with the 6S series, which really cleaned up a lot of the misses of the 5 series.

 

However the phone book look ups have been disastrous for me, eg 'Call xxx on mobile".  A lot of "NO!" responses, followed by swearing of oaths. Other phones going back to symbian could get this part right. Its vexing as to why there isn't one place where it all works right a significant part of the time.

 

Paul

[Teken]

In related news, did you see ios 10 is rumored to have a native Homekit app? That could be an effective combo... "If its going to rain can you cancel the sprinklers, shut the garage door", etc..

 

Yup saw that in the Amazon review forums. 

 

The last portion of the article was quite telling as it indicated Apple figured the 3rd party vendors would have pushed the envelope of the platform but sadly that didn't happen.

 

This is exactly the same problem that has plagued the Android OS platform. Too many skins, layers, and random crap with no unified or agreed upon method to the format.

 

Obviously Apple saw what a complete sh^t show this ended out being never mind the turtle pace of hardware support for Home Kit. With such a massive company like Apple they have decided to move the market in their direction once again. Only time will tell if this whole *Apple Home Kit* is here for the long term.

 

Since we all last talked about it there hasn't been any real movement in the Apple Home Kit. But as I indicated there sure are lots of sh^t products with Apple Home Kit embedded as of late!

 

Lets see what happens in another 24 months . . .

[Scottmichaelj]

In related news, did you see ios 10 is rumored to have a native Homekit app? That could be an effective combo... "If its going to rain can you cancel the sprinklers, shut the garage door", etc..

 

 

Interesting but like Teken I think 3rd party people don't want to spend the money on the encryption chips and thus it didn't take off to fast. I said before I think the Apple TV would be a great place to have this with Siri integration. I saw an article a while back, wish I could fin it now, where an executive at Ecobee said if he had a choice he wouldn't have done home kit as it was a major issue with design, cost, etc adding the encryption chip. Oh well we will see. Bottom line is its nice to see the sector bettering itself. Dev work seems to be a huge stumbling block so if this is easier it might take off. Apple bought his Siri AI so he has the know how. Surprised they let him dev another competing product when he got acquired.

[Teken]

What I would like to know is (IF) what they are doing is so different in many ways when compared to Siri? I would think Dag and his team have thought long and hard or at the very least still hold the IP / Patents when it sold the Siri Application to Apple.

 

I would hazard to guess he was smart enough to just sell the top layer to Apple and the rest is simply licensed. Smart move because there is no way Apple would let him slide if it had even 0.000000000000000000000001% of the base system in Viv.

 

Let the games begin . . . 

[lilyoyo1]

In addition to the chips, I think the hesitation is the lack of control over the outcome and experience. As a company, if you do everything you're supposed to and then there's a hiccup on apples end, it's still you getting the support call not Apple. That, coupled with integration of other people's product also makes them hesitant. Now you're trying to troubleshoot someone else's problem which means additional expense to you as a mfg.

 

Apple making a unified app gives mfg. focus. A singular place they can focus on to ensure their products work rather than 20 competing visions working together.

 

Apple should have done this from the start. None of the mfg has any reason to take homekit to another level. Especially with how things were handled nearly on. Once the product sold, they made their money. Expending money for someone else's ecosystem didn't offer additional benefit