rccoleman Posted June 12, 2016 Posted June 12, 2016 I have a fairly large complement of Insteon devices in my house (50-60) and a bunch of programs (~100) and I'm finding that Orchestrated Mobilinc on my iPhone is becoming increasingly unstable. I'm running 5.0.4 on my ISY994i, so it's possible that there's an unexpected interaction with that alpha version, but I don't want to downgrade and I can't be certain. Essentially, launching Mobilinc starts what appears to be a very long network operation (spinning wheel in the iOS status bar) that makes app interaction jerky at best and completely unresponsive at worst. During this initial period of network activity, it's very likely that Mobilinc will crash, and that activity can last for a minute or more. I see almost no log messages in the ISY logs or event viewer (only "Get Elk Topology" and "Get All Status"), so it don't know if it's just taking a long time to go through an exhaustive list of everything on the ISY every time the app starts, or if something is timing out. This is happening on my home network with excellent connectivity, so I don't think it has anything to do with network reliability. If Mobilinc "crashes", it always has a similar signature. It's apparently not an actual crash, but iOS killing Mobilinc because it exceeds some permitted duration: {"is_simulated":true,"app_name":"OrchestratedMobiLinc","timestamp":"2016-06-12 07:05:42.42 -0700","app_version":"4.7","slice_uuid":"a10be213-d8eb-3a3c-9ab0-5d2cfb09a77e","adam_id":384150219,"build_version":"4.7.1","bundleID":"com.mobileintegratedsolutions.OrchestratedMobiLinc","share_with_app_devs":true,"is_first_party":false,"bug_type":"109","os_version":"iPhone OS 9.3.2 (13F69)","name":"OrchestratedMobiLinc"} Incident Identifier: 853F2BF9-9533-4E5B-9E03-911C87E45465 CrashReporter Key: 92219d8382441fb3dcb4a68afc4887328ac27ade Hardware Model: iPhone8,2 Process: OrchestratedMobiLinc [14314] Path: /var/containers/Bundle/Application/E08BD12C-C008-4F64-A3FA-6596C99F9ABD/OrchestratedMobiLinc.app/OrchestratedMobiLinc Identifier: com.mobileintegratedsolutions.OrchestratedMobiLinc Version: 4.7.1 (4.7) Code Type: ARM-64 (Native) Parent Process: launchd [1] Date/Time: 2016-06-12 07:05:42.42 -0700 Launch Time: 2016-06-12 06:58:04.04 -0700 OS Version: iOS 9.3.2 (13F69) Report Version: 105 Exception Type: 00000020 Exception Codes: 0x000000008badf00d Exception Note: SIMULATED (this is NOT a crash) Highlighted by Thread: 2 Application Specific Information: <BKNewProcess: 0x12f640b30; com.mobileintegratedsolutions.OrchestratedMobiLinc; pid: 14314; hostpid: -1> has active assertions beyond permitted time: {( <BKProcessAssertion: 0x12f53be80> id: 14314-1FA2A07D-E399-42A6-B2B3-928BD901FACA name: Called by UIKit, from <redacted> process: <BKNewProcess: 0x12f640b30; com.mobileintegratedsolutions.OrchestratedMobiLinc; pid: 14314; hostpid: -1> permittedBackgroundDuration: 180.000000 reason: finishTask owner pid:14314 preventSuspend preventIdleSleep preventSuspendOnSleep )} Elapsed total CPU time (seconds): 24.000 (user 24.000, system 0.000), 16% CPU Elapsed application CPU time (seconds): 0.197, 0% CPU Filtered syslog: None found Thread 0 name: Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread Thread 0: 0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x0000000180bc8fd8 0x180bc8000 + 4056 1 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x0000000180bc8e54 0x180bc8000 + 3668 2 CoreFoundation 0x0000000181000c60 0x180f20000 + 920672 3 CoreFoundation 0x0000000180ffe964 0x180f20000 + 911716 4 CoreFoundation 0x0000000180f28c50 0x180f20000 + 35920 5 GraphicsServices 0x0000000182810088 0x182804000 + 49288 6 UIKit 0x0000000186212088 0x186194000 + 516232 7 OrchestratedMobiLinc 0x0000000100048174 0x100044000 + 16756 8 libdyld.dylib 0x0000000180ac68b8 0x180ac4000 + 10424 Thread 1 name: Dispatch queue: com.apple.libdispatch-manager Thread 1: 0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x0000000180be54d8 0x180bc8000 + 120024 1 libdispatch.dylib 0x0000000180aa87d8 0x180a94000 + 83928 2 libdispatch.dylib 0x0000000180a97648 0x180a94000 + 13896 Thread 2 name: GAIThread Thread 2: 0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x0000000180bc8fd8 0x180bc8000 + 4056 1 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x0000000180bc8e54 0x180bc8000 + 3668 2 CoreFoundation 0x0000000181000c60 0x180f20000 + 920672 3 CoreFoundation 0x0000000180ffe964 0x180f20000 + 911716 4 CoreFoundation 0x0000000180f28c50 0x180f20000 + 35920 5 Foundation 0x0000000181938cfc 0x18192c000 + 52476 6 Foundation 0x000000018198e030 0x18192c000 + 401456 7 OrchestratedMobiLinc 0x00000001004d6eec 0x100044000 + 4796140 8 Foundation 0x0000000181a1fe4c 0x18192c000 + 998988 9 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x0000000180cafb28 0x180cac000 + 15144 10 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x0000000180cafa8c 0x180cac000 + 14988 11 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x0000000180cad028 0x180cac000 + 4136 Whenever I start Mobilinc, it's random whether I'll actually be able to use the app or if it'll unexpectedly exit before I can do anything with it. Aside from the general lagginess and crashing, I find that sometimes it's able to quickly populate the status of my 5 dashboard items, and sometimes it can take up to 30 seconds (if it doesn't crash in the middle). Program status seems particularly problematic - either that'll update right away in the dashboard, or it'll be the very last thing to populate. In short, it's become both slow and unreliable to use my simple Mobilinc dashboard to monitor or control my ISY. I usually just avoid it and instead turn to the ctrlHome app and its quick and functional Today widget or my Echo. For reasons other than Mobilinc, I've restored my iPhone 6s Plus to factory state and set it up as a new phone, but I experienced the same behavior before and after that. I've also uninstalled and reinstalled Mobilinc without any meaningful change. Another request - please, please, please, allow me to save my Mobilinc configuration and restore it later. Copying settings to another device isn't really a serious backup mechanism, and I'm less inclined to build a complex Mobilinc configuration if I have no easy way to store and retrieve it. Is there any way to collect meaningful information about what's happening during these extended network transactions when the app is mostly unresponsive and likely to crash? Rob
InsteonNut Posted June 12, 2016 Posted June 12, 2016 Hi Bob, Thanks for all the details and your troubleshooting steps to date. If the reinstall didn't change the behavior, then I strongly suspect that it's a known bug in the alpha firmware release. There's a condition in the alpha that can cause the program XML data to become invalidly formatted which causes the MobiLinc XML parser to fail and crash in a non-recoverable way (data is corrupted). This would happen/crash every time you start MobiLinc while MobiLinc is attempting to sync with your ISY. The only way around this is to revert back to 4.x official and restore from a known good back up of version 4.x prior to attempting the alpha firmware release. In normal cases, MobiLinc should show you current status for your devices/scenes/programs within a few seconds of starting the app depending on your network condition. You shouldn't see hangs or other lag. Wes
rccoleman Posted June 12, 2016 Author Posted June 12, 2016 Hi Bob, Thanks for all the details and your troubleshooting steps to date. If the reinstall didn't change the behavior, then I strongly suspect that it's a known bug in the alpha firmware release. There's a condition in the alpha that can cause the program XML data to become invalidly formatted which causes the MobiLinc XML parser to fail and crash in a non-recoverable way (data is corrupted). This would happen/crash every time you start MobiLinc while MobiLinc is attempting to sync with your ISY. The only way around this is to revert back to 4.x official and restore from a known good back up of version 4.x prior to attempting the alpha firmware release. In normal cases, MobiLinc should show you current status for your devices/scenes/programs within a few seconds of starting the app depending on your network condition. You shouldn't see hangs or other lag. Wes I certainly saw the repeated crashing on start after I replaced my PLM. I deleted Mobilinc, reinstalled, resynced, and eventually got it to start without crashing. Do you have plans to make it easier to save the configuration? I would put more work into creating a nice dashboard if I didn't think that it was at risk of being blown away if I have to reinstall for some reason. It looks like we're almost 9 months into the 4.7 release and I'm hoping that there's more good stuff on the roadmap. Rob
InsteonNut Posted June 16, 2016 Posted June 16, 2016 Hi Rob, The current solution is you can copy your settings to another iOS device running MobiLinc under Settings->Copy. You can copy back those settings at any time. Also, settings are backed up in iOS backups to iCloud or your local iTunes. Wes
rccoleman Posted June 16, 2016 Author Posted June 16, 2016 Hi Rob, The current solution is you can copy your settings to another iOS device running MobiLinc under Settings->Copy. You can copy back those settings at any time. Also, settings are backed up in iOS backups to iCloud or your local iTunes. Wes I know that I can copy the settings to another device, but that requires another device and a desire to blow away the settings on that device. It's not a realistic backup solution. When the settings are part of a full device backup, are you suggesting that users restore the entire to get the Mobilinc settings back? That's also unrealistic, unnecessarily destructive to any recent changes, and very time consuming. Is there a way to individually restore the Mobilinc settings?
InsteonNut Posted June 19, 2016 Posted June 19, 2016 Hi Rob, Is there a way to individually restore the Mobilinc settings? No, not at this time. I understand that this is desired and is on the to-do list. Wes
rccoleman Posted June 20, 2016 Author Posted June 20, 2016 Thanks, Wes. Most apps don't have the sort of customization that Mobilinc has, or they sync with the cloud. Another option is to email it as an XML file or similar. If be more likely to do more customization if I didn't feel like it was stuck in the device.
rafarataneneces Posted September 15, 2016 Posted September 15, 2016 Hi Rob, The current solution is you can copy your settings to another iOS device running MobiLinc under Settings->Copy. You can copy back those settings at any time. Also, settings are backed up in iOS backups to iCloud or your local iTunes. Wes So that means we need to buy two licenses of MobiLinc? one for my phone, another one for another phone. Do you have any other solution?
rafarataneneces Posted September 15, 2016 Posted September 15, 2016 Hi Rob, The current solution is you can copy your settings to another iOS device running MobiLinc under Settings->Copy. You can copy back those settings at any time. Also, settings are backed up in iOS backups to iCloud or your local iTunes. Wes Do you have any estimate for this? Do you plan a new App version that is more stable? I see your app hasn't been updated since September 2015. Would you be so kind to tell me if the the app has been abandoned? Thanks
InsteonNut Posted September 15, 2016 Posted September 15, 2016 Not abandoned at all. MobiLinc has been very stable and supports a huge range of products from INSTEON, Z-Wave, X10 along with thousands of IP cameras which is why the limited releases. I submitted an update yesterday to Apple to address a couple of minor issues including the handling of the corrupted XML data from ISY 5.x firmware. I've got several features planned and in the works, but takes time to develop. I don't have any announcements today on new features. Stay tuned! Wes
InsteonNut Posted September 15, 2016 Posted September 15, 2016 So that means we need to buy two licenses of MobiLinc? No, if you use MobiLinc on the same platform (iOS/Android). I've opted-in with iOS Family Sharing and Android Library to allow those that have purchased MobiLinc on a platform to share that app with their family members who also use the same platform. Please see the respective platform guide to family sharing including limitation. If you use the same iTunes ID or Google Play account on your platform's devices, you can always download the app again to other devices that use the same platform account. Wes
rafarataneneces Posted September 15, 2016 Posted September 15, 2016 No, if you use MobiLinc on the same platform (iOS/Android). I've opted-in with iOS Family Sharing and Android Library to allow those that have purchased MobiLinc on a platform to share that app with their family members who also use the same platform. Please see the respective platform guide to family sharing including limitation. If you use the same iTunes ID or Google Play account on your platform's devices, you can always download the app again to other devices that use the same platform account. Wes So if my mom has a different Apple ID then I can still use it??? Wow that would be so awesome!!! I've lost SO MANY hours re-adding voices and icons, cameras, profiles, etc
rafarataneneces Posted September 18, 2016 Posted September 18, 2016 Not abandoned at all. MobiLinc has been very stable and supports a huge range of products from INSTEON, Z-Wave, X10 along with thousands of IP cameras which is why the limited releases. I submitted an update yesterday to Apple to address a couple of minor issues including the handling of the corrupted XML data from ISY 5.x firmware. I've got several features planned and in the works, but takes time to develop. I don't have any announcements today on new features. Stay tuned! Wes Dear Wes Do you know when will the new version of MobiLinc be released? I can't do anything on ISY without fear of MobiLinc crashing again. It's very, very unstable. I am essentially afraid of writing new programs because it might make things unstable again.
rafarataneneces Posted September 18, 2016 Posted September 18, 2016 Wes I think MobiLinc is crashing when I delete programs. I had a SUPER SIMPLE program that turns the lights on if a sensor closes. I deleted it, boom, all my profiles, in two different phones, two different versions of iOS (iPhone 7 and iPhone 6s), cannot refresh anymore. So I don't think it's a 'CORRUPTED XML'. It's just MobiLinc crashing because a program was deleted.
InsteonNut Posted September 19, 2016 Posted September 19, 2016 Hi rafarataneneces, Please try the following: - Delete MobiLinc - Reboot your iPhone - Download/Install MobiLinc again. - Sync with your ISY. - Close MobiLinc. - Open the Admin Console and create a test program and save. - Open MobiLinc and go to Programs. - Wait until the background sync completes. You should see the new test program listed. - Close MobiLinc. - Open the Admin Console - Delete the test program and save. - Open MobiLinc and go to Programs. - Wait until the background sync completes. You should see the new test program is no longer listed after the background processing finishes. Does the above steps work for you? If not, please be specific as to what and where it fails so I can attempt to reproduce. Please also list your ISY's firmware version and if you've ever, at any point, upgraded to ISY firmware 5.x. Wes
InsteonNut Posted September 21, 2016 Posted September 21, 2016 Hi folks, For anyone experiencing MobiLinc quitting after or ever upgrading to the ISY 5.x alpha, MobiLinc 4.8 was released today that guards against the corrupted program XML. Wes
rafarataneneces Posted September 21, 2016 Posted September 21, 2016 Hi rafarataneneces, Please try the following: - Delete MobiLinc - Reboot your iPhone - Download/Install MobiLinc again. - Sync with your ISY. - Close MobiLinc. - Open the Admin Console and create a test program and save. - Open MobiLinc and go to Programs. - Wait until the background sync completes. You should see the new test program listed. - Close MobiLinc. - Open the Admin Console - Delete the test program and save. - Open MobiLinc and go to Programs. - Wait until the background sync completes. You should see the new test program is no longer listed after the background processing finishes. Does the above steps work for you? If not, please be specific as to what and where it fails so I can attempt to reproduce. Please also list your ISY's firmware version and if you've ever, at any point, upgraded to ISY firmware 5.x. Wes Hi Wes This is before the 4.8 upgrade, I did all you asked me to do. This is where it fails - Delete the test program and save. - Go to MobiLinc, Settings, Lighting Controller, Sync Program When it says 'Parsing Programs', THAT'S WHEN it fails! ;-( Would it be possible to reproduce this with 4.7? How do we know this was fixed with 4.8?
InsteonNut Posted September 22, 2016 Posted September 22, 2016 Hi rafarataneneces, Please upgrade MobiLinc to 4.8 and try again. Also, please answer the following from my last set of instructions: Please also list your ISY's firmware version and if you've ever, at any point, upgraded to ISY firmware 5.x. Wes
rafarataneneces Posted September 24, 2016 Posted September 24, 2016 Hi rafarataneneces, Please upgrade MobiLinc to 4.8 and try again. Also, please answer the following from my last set of instructions: Wes ISY 5.0.4 I upgraded to MobiLinc 4.8. I will post here when I delete the program that was causing MobiLinc 4.7 to crash. Hope the problem was fixed!!!
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