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AnthemAVM

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Looking to add a z wave lock to the house, and have it show status on my KPL.  Seems like everyone has used differn't models, and all work good.  Just wondered if I should stay away from any?  Any preference on what to get?

 

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I'm using Schlage locks. They replaced ordinary Schlage locks, so we were able to keep the same one key we already had multiple copies of for all five locks (three are deadbolts). A KPL button indicates the status of the lock we mostly use. A small lamp in each bedroom remains dimly lit if the door is not locked. A good night button as well as a scheduled  program ensure that all locks are secured.

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I think you will be fine sticking with any of the big brands. After that I think it comes down to what you are willing to spend and your personal preference on looks. I use Yale due to loving the design but would be fine with any of the ones Gary Funk mentioned.

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I purchased the Schlage BE 469 lock, and it works great.  I will say I went ahead and added two AEON Z wave sirens to just make sure I had a strong mesh in the house.

 

The lock connected with the ISY on the first try and it has some very cool fun features you get with the BE 469 with the two.

 

Thanks for everyone feedback.

 

Michael

cyberk Member

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I'm using schlage but Yale may be better. They're actually the only name brand to haze zwave+ certified locks but they haven't been released yet. It looks like the upgrade may just be removable module.

 

 

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giesen Experienced

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I'm using schlage but Yale may be better. They're actually the only name brand to haze zwave+ certified locks but they haven't been released yet. It looks like the upgrade may just be removable module.

 

 

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Yes the Yale locks all use removable modules, they use the same base lock whether it's Zigbee, Z-Wave or RFID.

 

I don't know if the modules can be purchased independently, but it certainly looks promising.

 

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danbutter Experienced

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I actually like the kwikset.

I don't know if they have a better or worse z-wave implementation. I can set pins for different people, run programs/send notifications based on the pin entered. Plenty for me.

However I love the smartkey feature to rekey the lock in a few seconds.

danbutter Experienced

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It's even faster to break the small window in the door!

Locks only keep honest people honest (so to speak).

If someone really wants in it isn't that hard to get in.

G W Advanced

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It's even faster to break the small window in the door!

Locks only keep honest people honest (so to speak).

If someone really wants in it isn't that hard to get in.

Breaking a window shows damage, makes noise and can immediately set an alarm.

 

S.A.T.T.P.

Best regards,

Gary Funk

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Have a 5  Kwikset locks (914 model with 10 buttons) and they work great and have been 100% reliable in operation and reporting status/changes and responding to commands.

 

Just watched the video -- disturbing for sure.  That said, I'll still know if someone got in because the lock will still send a manual unlock request (all lock actions are logged and sent along via Pushover for me).  So while I'm not loving the ease of break in, I'll know and can react appropriately.

 

Gerry

giesen Experienced

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Has the pricing for the locks started to come down yet, or we still talking $200 at least for some quality in the Shlage / Yale style?

Yale has a relatively new pushbutton keyless model that would be under $150 each if you have no need for keys and can live without the touchscreen...

 

For the top-end touchscreen dual key/keyless you're definitely still looking at $200+

 

Although out of all the investments I've made in HA, that's would probably be the best one and highest on the WAF (I bought 3 of them)

 

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danbutter Experienced

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Breaking a window shows damage, makes noise and can immediately set an alarm.

S.A.T.T.P.

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Gary Funk

Well in my case opening the door will set off my alarm too.

 

To each their own.

G W Advanced

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Well in my case opening the door will set off my alarm too.

 

To each their own.

Mine too.

 

S.A.T.T.P.

Best regards,

Gary Funk

cyberk Member

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Cyberk, why do you say that about Kwickset?

@anthemavm

 

The kwikset locks I've seen have many of their functions controlled by jumpers on the lock. User Pins can be set up remotely through ISY, but other behavior, that would normally be available from the ISY, have to be set up physically on the lock via these jumpers. This may or may not be the case with their other locks.

 

Traditionally, Kwikset has also been a budget brand and known for not being very secure. And this is completely anecdotal, but their build quality feels cheap to me. In full disclosure, my Kwikset experience comes from 2 of their locks owned by a friend of mine, and I saw enough not to want to ever own them. Actually, I was offered two free Kwikset locks and turned them away.

 

I own Schlage, I've had very little problems, at least ever since I replaced my ISY. It is a little loud and their cylinders aren't very secure either. I really wanted to change out the cylinder to a Mul-T-Lock cylinder but never went forward.

 

Enter Yale, the same buddy with the Kwikset was having reliability issues with his and did some research, he stumbled upon Yale. Their initial model had a problem where someone could very easily break into the lock, I forget the details, but it was super simple. They released a fix and updated their models. I'm not sure what their cylinder security is like, but Yale is heavy into commercial, as is Schlage.

 

I can tell you that Yale's website sucks, which to me is an indicator about the success of a company. When your website sucks, and you are a business, it means to me that quality is not a priority. It could also mean that they don't cater to consumers much.

 

I can also tell you that the Yale locks are packed with more features than I've seen from either Schlage or Kwikset. They have voice prompts, finger print resistant panels (so does Schlage), and they have models without any keyholes at all! These keyless models have a 9 volt battery terminal on the bottom that can be used to charge the lock in case of power loss. However, I've often questioned whether or not this terminal can be used to somehow hack/fry the lock. But the fact they included the terminal shows me they've put some serious thought into the design and functionality of their locks. Most commercial wireless/wired locks I've seen also have programming terminals, so this may not be a problem at all.

 

One of the features of the digital panel Yale locks is that to activate the pin panel, you need to cover the panel with your hand. This is a pretty cool "security by obscurity" technique that would deter your casual passer by, I for one was unable to figure it out without having consulted the manual or my friend first. And, if I recall correctly, the Yale locks store more user pins than any other manufacturer, although that seems kinda irrelevant for residential needs.

 

Yet another benefit to Yale is that their radio modules are swappable/modular. The only thing that differentiates a Zigbee Yale from a Zwave Yale, is the removable radio module. This modularity, to me, is of great value, because we never know what the future holds. Also, from my perusing the Zwave Alliance product certification pages, they're the only brand of any notoriety that has certified Zwave+ Locks, although they're yet to be released. I'm hoping that I'll be able to somehow buy the Zwave+ modules and swap them out. And btw, I do own a Yale lock now, going to install it on my office door at home but I haven't done so yet.

 

And...the thing I like the most about the Yale locks, look and feel! They look nicer, they feel better built, and....THEYRE SO MUCH QUIETER than either Schlage or Kwikset.

 

Hope this helps, excuse any typos, I'm not proof reading :) ...OK, I went back and proofed anyway...sigh. Lol

 

 

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cyberk Member

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Have a 5 Kwikset locks (914 model with 10 buttons) and they work great and have been 100% reliable in operation and reporting status/changes and responding to commands.

 

Just watched the video -- disturbing for sure. That said, I'll still know if someone got in because the lock will still send a manual unlock request (all lock actions are logged and sent along via Pushover for me). So while I'm not loving the ease of break in, I'll know and can react appropriately.

 

Gerry

There's a fix from Kwikset for this issue, call them.

 

 

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cyberk Member

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A fix against forcing the lock?

 

What number do I call?

If it's the issue I was referring to, it was a very easy pick/force. I would call Kwikset Support.

 

 

And for everyone else, the Yale Zwave+ modules can be bought from their website!

 

 

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