Area bypass vs Zone bypass

[James Peterson]

What is the difference between these to options?  

[Scottmichaelj]

What is the difference between these to options?

Specifically that. Areas are where there is for an example, maybe a pool house with its own keypad you that you can arm/disarm and work independently to another area.

 

Another example is a client he wanted high dollar equipment protected. So we put it as a separate area. Then even if disarming the store area the safe was still armed in its own state and controlled as another area by a different code.

 

Zones are specific spots within the area to trigger the alarm which can be bypassed.

 

Make sense?

[DennisC]

Zone bypass allows you to bypass individual zones, say a window or door for example. An area is a collection of zones that is armed, disarmed, or bypassed as a collection. An area can be broken up anyway you would like, for example an entire floor. This would allow you to arm one floor but not another floor.

 

Hope this makes sense.

 

Dennis

[James Peterson]

That all makes sense.  What I am more or less asking is :

 

Why would you choose to bypass a zone over bypassing the entire area?  

What would cause a zone to remain bypassed if I unbypass the area?

 

Example:  If I bypass a zone.  Then bypass the area the zone is in.  next unbypass the area, does the zone remain bypassed?  

 

I am just looking to correct logic in my app.

[Scottmichaelj]

That all makes sense. What I am more or less asking is :

 

Why would you choose to bypass a zone over bypassing the entire area?

What would cause a zone to remain bypassed if I unbypass the area?

 

Example: If I bypass a zone. Then bypass the area the zone is in. next unbypass the area, does the zone remain bypassed?

 

I am just looking to correct logic in my app.

You can only bypass a zone. Each zone is specific to the area. You can arm/disarm each area independently. Bypassing a zone still allows the area to be armed.

[James Peterson]

You can only bypass a zone. Each zone is specific to the area. You can arm/disarm each area independently. Bypassing a zone still allows the area to be armed.

OK.  The API has a bypass/unbypass that is area specific so I just assumed.  

Area API:

area/<areaId>/cmd/bypass?code=<accessCode> 

area/<areaId>/cmd/unbypass?code=<accessCode> 

 

Zone API:

zone/<zoneId>/cmd/toggle/bypass?code=<accessCode> 

 

Maybe the area just bypasses all violated zones in the area.

 

The issue I am seeing is sometimes when I unbypass an area, there still remains a zone that is still bypassed.  

[Scottmichaelj]

OK. The API has a bypass/unbypass that is area specific so I just assumed.

 

 

 

Area API:

area/<areaId>/cmd/bypass?code=<accessCode>

 

 

 

area/<areaId>/cmd/unbypass?code=<accessCode>

 

Zone API:

 

 

 

zone/<zoneId>/cmd/toggle/bypass?code=<accessCode>

 

Maybe the area just bypasses all violated zones in the area.

 

The issue I am seeing is sometimes when I unbypass an area, there still remains a zone that is still bypassed.

Can you clarify more? If you bypass a zone you can arm the area. Then you have to turn it off again via the API specs. If you bypass you always have to unbypass it again to get it to be included again.

[Scottmichaelj]

I just had this come up yesterday. Customer has a side gate. For night arm instant he wanted it to be armed but not in away mode. I asked Elk tech support should this be a area or zone. They recommended a zone but told me in the rules I must unbypass it on disarm or it will stay in bypass mode regarding if you arm/disarm. Maybe that's clearer in real life terms to help?

[James Peterson]

All of that makes sense, but I think I need more of an API explanation then anything else.  I need to know more about what each of those to calls do.  It will probably be clearer when I get the zone details functionality completed in my app.  

[TrojanHorse]

Scott and James,

 

Please forgive my ignorant intrusion.

 

I think my Elk panel functions differently than Scott describes. If I bypass a zone then arm my system (single area) and then disarm, my system will "refresh" the zone status and reset its bypass status to unbypassed upon disarm. I don't need to unbypass the zone - instead I need to re-bypass it if that's what I want next time I arm.

 

Are we talking about similar examples? Is this a difference in Elk settings? I don't use the "instant" alarm modes but does that matter here? I'm referring to input at the keypad not via API, app, etc.

 

James - do you have an Elk panel that allows you to see these things when using the API?

 

Just curious and hoping to both learn and be helpful here...

 

 

 

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[Scottmichaelj]

Scott and James,

 

Please forgive my ignorant intrusion.

 

I think my Elk panel functions differently than Scott describes. If I bypass a zone then arm my system (single area) and then disarm, my system will "refresh" the zone status and reset its bypass status to unbypassed upon disarm. I don't need to unbypass the zone - instead I need to re-bypass it if that's what I want next time I arm.

 

Are we talking about similar examples? Is this a difference in Elk settings? I don't use the "instant" alarm modes but does that matter here? I'm referring to input at the keypad not via API, app, etc.

 

James - do you have an Elk panel that allows you to see these things when using the API?

 

Just curious and hoping to both learn and be helpful here...

 

 

 

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No intrusion at all. Your right the keypads work differently than the API. When you bypass a zone in Elk via the API it requires you to unbypass it.

[DennisC]

No intrusion at all. Your right the keypads work differently than the API. When you bypass a zone in Elk via the API it requires you to unbypass it.

Scott,

 

That's good to know. I have had times when a device went bad and had to order a part. It was a pain to have to bypass the defective zone every time we armed the area while waiting for a part.

 

Thanks,

 

Dennis

[G W]

Scott,

 

That's good to know. I have had times when a device went bad and had to order a part. It was a pain to have to bypass the defective zone every time we armed the area while waiting for a part.

 

Thanks,

 

Dennis

Dennis,

 

Is there a reason you did not disable that zone until it was fixed?

 

I. S. B. S. P.

Best regards,

Gary Funk

[DennisC]

Dennis,

Is there a reason you did not disable that zone until it was fixed?

I. S. B. S. P.

Best regards,

Gary Funk

I was away without computer and family was home. I had to hear about it ever time the system was armed. And no, I wasn't about to talk them thru disabling the zone.......that would have been more pain.

 

Dennis

[James Peterson]

Thanks for all the info everyone.  That helped greatly.  I'll be pushing a beta update to my app in a few minutes with the changes for ELK.

[G W]

I was away without computer and family was home. I had to hear about it ever time the system was armed. And no, I wasn't about to talk them thru disabling the zone.......that would have been more pain.

 

Dennis

I understand. I was curious if there may because problem with disabling a zone. I'm still learning my way around the Elk.

 

B.R.I.A.D.A.

Best regards,

Gary Funk

[Scottmichaelj]

I was away without computer and family was home. I had to hear about it ever time the system was armed. And no, I wasn't about to talk them thru disabling the zone.......that would have been more pain.

 

Dennis

I love having an Azulle PC stick running ElkRP that I can connect to via RDP with an app like jump desktop on my iPhone. Works great for these type of things.

[DennisC]

I love having an Azulle PC stick running ElkRP that I can connect to via RDP with an app like jump desktop on my iPhone. Works great for these type of things.

Good to know.

[DennisC]

I understand. I was curious if there may because problem with disabling a zone. I'm still learning my way around the Elk.

B.R.I.A.D.A.

Best regards,

Gary Funk

No, disabling a zone is simple enough with the RP software. However, if I remember correctly you loose some of the settings for the zone. Not a big deal.

 

DC