mserrar Posted February 15, 2017 Posted February 15, 2017 Hi, I am using the ISY with few insteon devices. I am now to the point where I would like to add insteon to my garage door. Right now, I have a garage door opener that opens with a switch I have installed on my wall, and also open using my car's Homelink. I would like to keep that function and add a device that will detect if the garage door opened or closed, and also be able to open it and close it using ISY. I would appreciate it if you can suggest me a device for that. Thanks.
stusviews Posted February 16, 2017 Posted February 16, 2017 An Insteon I/O Linc can accomplish that. So can a MIMILite, but that requires the Z-Wave Module. We also use Insteon devices, Homelink and hand held remotes to control the garage doors, voice too
mserrar Posted February 16, 2017 Author Posted February 16, 2017 Thank you for your answer. I think you're right, I found this: INSTEON 74551 GARAGE DOOR CONTROL & STATUS KIT
stusviews Posted February 16, 2017 Posted February 16, 2017 There is a problem with the garage door kit that may or may not concern you. In particular, any Insteon indicator (usually a KPL button) is On when the garage door is closed and Off when it's open. Because it's easy to miss when something is unlit, most users prefer the opposite result, that is, lit when the garage door is open and unlit when it's closed. A solution is to purchase the I/O Linc and this magnetic switch separately.
MWareman Posted February 16, 2017 Posted February 16, 2017 Insteon is not a secure protocol. I always advise avoiding Insteon control of access systems, like garage doors. Consider that hooking Insteon to your garage door is like going back to the old static code based remote controls in terms of security. Z-wave systems were designed for applications where there is a security need.
Marc44 Posted February 17, 2017 Posted February 17, 2017 I used a wireless Open / Close sensor for my garage doors. I have a MyQ system for control. I just wanted something simple to get door status into my ISY, these worked nicely. Sent from my MotoG3 using Tapatalk
stusviews Posted February 17, 2017 Posted February 17, 2017 I used a wireless Open / Close sensor for my garage doors. I have a MyQ system for control. I just wanted something simple to get door status into my ISY, these worked nicely. That fulfills half of what the OP requested
Marc44 Posted February 17, 2017 Posted February 17, 2017 You are correct, and I missed that on my first read through ... My reading comprehension is not so great today apparently.
mserrar Posted February 17, 2017 Author Posted February 17, 2017 There is a problem with the garage door kit that may or may not concern you. In particular, any Insteon indicator (usually a KPL button) is On when the garage door is closed and Off when it's open. Because it's easy to miss when something is unlit, most users prefer the opposite result, that is, lit when the garage door is open and unlit when it's closed. A solution is to purchase the I/O Linc and this magnetic switch separately. Thank you all for your replies. I just got the garage door kit oups lol My understanding from stusviews is that the issue for inverting the status of the garage open/close resides with the magnetic that comes with the kit, right? because the I/O Linc is the same if I'm not mistaken. I will give it a try, if the inverted status bugs me too much, I will then get the other magnetic switch you suggested. Sounds right? -Mehdi
stusviews Posted February 17, 2017 Posted February 17, 2017 Info only: You can use reverse trigger to turn the responder on when the garage door is open, but the nightly query reverses the reverse.
Marc44 Posted February 18, 2017 Posted February 18, 2017 Info only: You can use reverse trigger to turn the responder on when the garage door is open, but the nightly query reverses the reverse.I'm a novice at this, but couldn't you use a program to set the scene? Or a combo program sets a variable then another program sets the scene. Or does that also break the KPL button being used for control?
mserrar Posted February 18, 2017 Author Posted February 18, 2017 Ok I installed it and it's working fine. Now the only issue is what you explained earlier, state shows as On when garage door is closed lol I went to ISY options and checked Reverse Trigger, but status still shows On, instead of Off. Am I missing something? one more thing, you mentioned the nightly query will reverse it again?
stusviews Posted February 18, 2017 Posted February 18, 2017 The status does not change, only the condition for the button to be lit. Yes, the nightly query will reverse it again. An unusual condition is that the query may not do it for awhile.
nwchicago Posted February 18, 2017 Posted February 18, 2017 Insteon is not a secure protocol. I always advise avoiding Insteon control of access systems, like garage doors. Consider that hooking Insteon to your garage door is like going back to the old static code based remote controls in terms of security. Z-wave systems were designed for applications where there is a security need. If Insteon is insecure for garage doors - what zwave product do you recommend? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Bumbershoot Posted February 18, 2017 Posted February 18, 2017 If Insteon is insecure for garage doors - what zwave product do you recommend? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I have two of these GoControl/Linear Graage Door Controllers installed. They're working as intended, were easy to install and they act as secure Z-Wave repeaters. I installed these with firmware version 5.0.8 on my ISY. I'm not positive, but I don't thing there's anything about these that requires firmware in the 5.x.x series. Additionally, the status of the doors toggles correctly in both the Admin Console and in MobilLinc (for (iOS): Opening: Closed --> Opening --> Open Closing: Open --> Closing --> Closed
MikeD Posted February 18, 2017 Posted February 18, 2017 I originally used an Insteon IOLinc and wanted to move to a Zwave device. http://forum.universal-devices.com/topic/16652-nutone-ngd00z-garage-door-controller/?hl=nutone The NuTone NGD00Z did not work, requires v5 with multi-channel support. I ended up installing a MIMOlite (Zwave) and am very happy. It works very similar to the IOLinc.
mserrar Posted February 18, 2017 Author Posted February 18, 2017 I have two of these GoControl/Linear Graage Door Controllers installed. They're working as intended, were easy to install and they act as secure Z-Wave repeaters. I installed these with firmware version 5.0.8 on my ISY. I'm not positive, but I don't thing there's anything about these that requires firmware in the 5.x.x series. Additionally, the status of the doors toggles correctly in both the Admin Console and in MobilLinc (for (iOS): Opening: Closed --> Opening --> Open Closing: Open --> Closing --> Closed Hi, I have no z-wave products, only Insteon with the ISY. If I get that product for the garage, do I need another zwave product to get it to work? or will it connect to the ISY directly? Thanks. -Mehdi
paulbates Posted February 18, 2017 Posted February 18, 2017 I don't want to be the cause of another "garage door posting war" on the forum but here is another point of view. FWIW - I've used an iolinc on my garage for over 5 years and don't have any problems with it. I've found no news evidence of garage (or any other) break ins by compromising insteon. Is there a risk? Sure. The probability someone with all of the right equipment can get close enough to your house to connect, and figure it out? Extremely low and unlikely, at least for me. New insteon products, including iolincs, have had the dreaded "all on" command removed, so zero risk there. Its more likely someone would do that hook trick through the top of the door with the track safety lock pull...or force the entry door - no iolinc involved for either one of those. Like other projects, take your time planning, testing and updating. Paul
Bumbershoot Posted February 18, 2017 Posted February 18, 2017 Hi, I have no z-wave products, only Insteon with the ISY. If I get that product for the garage, do I need another zwave product to get it to work? or will it connect to the ISY directly? Thanks. -Mehdi It depends on your ISY. If you have one of these, you're good to go. Otherwise, you'll have to install a daughter card in you ISY. Depending on where your ISY is located in relation to your garage, you might need a secure repeater as well, for which the Aeotec Siren is often recommend in these forums.
nwchicago Posted February 19, 2017 Posted February 19, 2017 There is a problem with the garage door kit that may or may not concern you. In particular, any Insteon indicator (usually a KPL button) is On when the garage door is closed and Off when it's open. Because it's easy to miss when something is unlit, most users prefer the opposite result, that is, lit when the garage door is open and unlit when it's closed. A solution is to purchase the I/O Linc and this magnetic switch separately. I already own the garage door kit. Upon opening it I noticed the Insteon I/O Lincoln has the normally open (if I remember correctly) wired. If I switch the wires to normally closed would it fix this problem? Thanks. Chicago Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Brian H Posted February 19, 2017 Posted February 19, 2017 Wiring to the Normally Closed contact. Would be like the garage door control button was always being pushed. Until the I/O Linc was momentarily turned On.
nwchicago Posted February 19, 2017 Posted February 19, 2017 Wiring to the Normally Closed contact. Would be like the garage door control button was always being pushed. Until the I/O Linc was momentarily turned On. Glad I asked!!! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
mserrar Posted February 28, 2017 Author Posted February 28, 2017 There is a problem with the garage door kit that may or may not concern you. In particular, any Insteon indicator (usually a KPL button) is On when the garage door is closed and Off when it's open. Because it's easy to miss when something is unlit, most users prefer the opposite result, that is, lit when the garage door is open and unlit when it's closed. A solution is to purchase the I/O Linc and this magnetic switch separately. Hi, I received the new magnetic switch Seco-Larm Enforcer. I installed it and now the sensor shows the right status. Open when Garage is open and closed when garage is closed. However, even if the sensor has the right status, The Garage door itself shows the wrong status. Anyway to fix that? Thanks.
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