fahrvergnuugen Posted July 18, 2018 Posted July 18, 2018 On 7/17/2018 at 10:40 AM, Michel Kohanim said: Hello everyone, I am working with one of our partners to see whether or not they can maintain homebridge. I need a list of all the bugs and enhancement requests. With kind regards, Michel One of the better homebridge plugins for the ISY is Homebridge-ISY-JS, which is built on top of the ISY-JS library by the same author. Unfortunately he has discontinued development. The bugs and feature requests are all pretty well documented on those github repositories. For what it's worth, this library is still working pretty well for me with around 50 devices, although I have made some minor improvements to it. That being said I think a better approach would be for UDI to add MQTT pub/sub functionality to the ISY natively. If that were available, then all homebridge users would be really well served by Node-Red and the homebridge mqtt node-red plugin. I find that this approach is a lot more flexible and powerful than the ISY websocket approach.
Michel Kohanim Posted July 19, 2018 Posted July 19, 2018 @fahrvergnuugen, the reason is over $100K in investment in design/development/test for an Apple Coprocessor on our boards. This means that we will have to add $100 per unit to be able to recoup in any sensible time. If they remove this restriction, then it'll be done in a jiffy. With kind regards, Michel
rccoleman Posted July 19, 2018 Posted July 19, 2018 @Michel Kohanim is there still a hardware requirement, or are you concerned about the processing requirements for software authentication? Supposedly the first software-only products are starting to show up: https://apple.news/Ag26X1W54Sm2fVpt6e0B5Uw
Michel Kohanim Posted July 20, 2018 Posted July 20, 2018 @rccoleman, To be 100% honest, it's just impossible to figure out whether or not we need the hardware. In MFi specs, we do. In the news, we don't. In articles by Apple-related folks, we don't. So, in the meantime, we'll try to see if we can make homebridge a little better supported. With kind regards, Michel
Michel Kohanim Posted July 20, 2018 Posted July 20, 2018 And, I forgot to mention: since we never got a definitive answer (except for links back to the MFi), I asked one of our very nice customers who's an Apple partner to ask the question. And, he also got the link. It's just a canned response. Comparing this with Amazon and Google … umm. Amazon is by far the best: they have the best customer/developer support. And, always right to the point and without any runaround. You actually get to talk to the developers behind things. Google, much worse than Amazon (unless they need something). Apple, well, I take the 5th! With kind regards, Michel
Teken Posted July 21, 2018 Posted July 21, 2018 14 hours ago, Michel Kohanim said: And, I forgot to mention: since we never got a definitive answer (except for links back to the MFi), I asked one of our very nice customers who's an Apple partner to ask the question. And, he also got the link. It's just a canned response. Comparing this with Amazon and Google … umm. Amazon is by far the best: they have the best customer/developer support. And, always right to the point and without any runaround. You actually get to talk to the developers behind things. Google, much worse than Amazon (unless they need something). Apple, well, I take the 5th! With kind regards, Michel
fahrvergnuugen Posted July 23, 2018 Posted July 23, 2018 On 7/19/2018 at 11:40 AM, Michel Kohanim said: @fahrvergnuugen, the reason is over $100K in investment in design/development/test for an Apple Coprocessor on our boards. This means that we will have to add $100 per unit to be able to recoup in any sensible time. If they remove this restriction, then it'll be done in a jiffy. With kind regards, Michel How about just getting MQTT support? I would be more than happy to write a homebridge integration with the ISY if it supported MQTT.
Michel Kohanim Posted July 23, 2018 Posted July 23, 2018 Hello @fahrvergnuugen, Please PM me. With kind regards, Michel
fahrvergnuugen Posted June 11, 2019 Posted June 11, 2019 1 minute ago, kaveh said: Did MQTT support ever happen? Not that I know of
TheSwartz Posted June 12, 2019 Posted June 12, 2019 It's still be darn nice to have a baked in solution so that we could do this right out of the box... Still don't understand why it can't be done since Apple doesn't require a coprocessor... just sayin'.
kaveh Posted June 12, 2019 Posted June 12, 2019 Agree. Between google, Amazon, and Apple, homekit seems like the best implementation as it doesn’t try to go out to the cloud if it doesn’t have to. It also seems to be the fastest (with homebridge), although it’s dog slow when attempting to make multiple changes at once through the REST API. The older version of the homebridge plugin would frequently miss lights if you tried to turn on/off more than three at a time.
ahwman Posted June 12, 2019 Posted June 12, 2019 If I’m not mistaken, it was explained that because the ISY is treated as a bridge rather than an accessory, it still requires a physical encryption chip per Apple’s guidelines...
stevesreed Posted June 12, 2019 Posted June 12, 2019 21 hours ago, ahwman said: If I’m not mistaken, it was explained that because the ISY is treated as a bridge rather than an accessory, it still requires a physical encryption chip per Apple’s guidelines... That is very disappointing. I'd really like some sort of official support for Homekit, but if that can;t happen, at least some "unofficial" support is needed. Homebridge is a decent work around, but the Homebridge ISY plugin is no longer supported and is starting to wither on the vine. I'm not sure how long it will be a viable solution. Is there at least a chance of a Homebridge polyglot node server? Homekit is becoming more important in my house with each passing month. At some point, if I cannot get a reliable Homekit interface to ISY, the ISY will (sadly) have to be replaced by something else.
kaveh Posted June 12, 2019 Posted June 12, 2019 That is very disappointing. I'd really like some sort of official support for Homekit, but if that can;t happen, at least some "unofficial" support is needed. Homebridge is a decent work around, but the Homebridge ISY plugin is no longer supported and is starting to wither on the vine. I'm not sure how long it will be a viable solution. Is there at least a chance of a Homebridge polyglot node server? Homekit is becoming more important in my house with each passing month. At some point, if I cannot get a reliable Homekit interface to ISY, the ISY will (sadly) have to be replaced by something else. Ditto. Apparently there’s a new Insteon hub with HomeKit support in the works. If we can’t even get a reasonable homebridge solution going, I’ll be looking into that.
Dan Blair Posted June 12, 2019 Posted June 12, 2019 Ditto for me too. I am moving my home to the Homekit world with or without Insteon/ISY...but I’d sure prefer to keep them. If ISY would fully support Homekit it would be a huge win for them and us. And I among many would be willing to pay for the upgrade.
Michel Kohanim Posted June 12, 2019 Posted June 12, 2019 All, We'll be looking into incorporating HomeBridge into Polisy. This said, Apple is not very keen on having bridges be part of their ecosystem. We do welcome all developers who are willing to figure this out. With kind regards, Michel
Venicenerd Posted June 12, 2019 Posted June 12, 2019 36 minutes ago, kaveh said: Ditto. Apparently there’s a new Insteon hub with HomeKit support in the works. If we can’t even get a reasonable homebridge solution going, I’ll be looking into that. Where did you hear that a new Insteon hub with HomeKit support is on the way? The current HomeKit hub is an absolute nightmare.
Venicenerd Posted June 12, 2019 Posted June 12, 2019 12 minutes ago, Dan Blair said: Ditto for me too. I am moving my home to the Homekit world with or without Insteon/ISY...but I’d sure prefer to keep them. If ISY would fully support Homekit it would be a huge win for them and us. And I among many would be willing to pay for the upgrade. I have moved to https://www.indigodomo.com/ for one of my homes. It’s been nothing but rock solid. The HomeKit plugin one of their users created is amazing. Also configuring everything is way easier than with the ISY. If you can’t wait for Universal Devices to support HomeKit this could be an instant solution.
simplextech Posted June 12, 2019 Posted June 12, 2019 13 minutes ago, Michel Kohanim said: All, We'll be looking into incorporating HomeBridge into Polisy. This said, Apple is not very keen on having bridges be part of their ecosystem. We do welcome all developers who are willing to figure this out. With kind regards, Michel What's preventing a polyglot nodeserver for HomeBridge?
kaveh Posted June 12, 2019 Posted June 12, 2019 All, We'll be looking into incorporating HomeBridge into Polisy. This said, Apple is not very keen on having bridges be part of their ecosystem. We do welcome all developers who are willing to figure this out. With kind regards, Michel Respectfully, “looking into incorporating homebridge” isn’t a lot to go on. Even if the current version of homebridge was supported (with the ISY), it’s not enough as there are bugs and issues with the current implementation. If UD officially supported a homebridge plugin for ISY, that’s something. I honestly don’t know who the market is for Polisy, but I don’t think it’s me.Honestly, if I’m going to buy another device, I’m going to buy one that supports HomeKit natively and connects to the Insteon and zwave things all in one box. I’m kind of surprised that you designed a whole new piece of hardware and still haven’t supported HomeKit with it. You’re designing yourselves out of a very large market of customers.
Michel Kohanim Posted June 13, 2019 Posted June 13, 2019 @kaveh, Understood. I wish all of us - including you - a lot of luck. With kind regards, Michel
lilyoyo1 Posted June 13, 2019 Posted June 13, 2019 Everyone is getting on UDI for lack of Homekit support when they should be talking to Apple about why thy make it so hard for small companies to integrate into homekit. It would be lovely for ISY to support each and every assistant and device that is ever released....However they cant. No one can. Even Multi billion dollar companies such as Samsung cant even do it. They allow developers to use their system to make up for where they are short as does UDI. Why should they focus on something unofficially that can be broken at any moment? Why should they buy into apples certification process at a price that could take years to make their money back? Look at homekit capable devices and the list for Apple's is much shorter than either google's or Amazon's. Yes UDI is coming out with this new controller. Its already expensive enough for most people, imagine what it would cost if they added the homekit chip for the few that want it! The small percentage that will buy it right now would decrease even more. Especially when they can get the same stuff by doing it themselves with a 40 dollar rasberry pi. The few people who threaten to leave the ISY is more than worth the loss for the many they would keep by keeping the prices low. Especially seeing that those same people who leave has already purchased the ISY. There are alternatives to homekit from google and amazon which allows for voice control and work much better than Siri any day. If Apple is so important to you then I get it. You should find a company that supports your vision as UDI isnt going to be that company. Their vision for Automation is different that what Apple wants and thats ok. Most of us on here like the fact that they are masters of very few trades vs being a jack of all trades master of none.
jasont Posted June 13, 2019 Posted June 13, 2019 2 hours ago, kaveh said: Honestly, if I’m going to buy another device, I’m going to buy one that supports HomeKit natively and connects to the Insteon and zwave things all in one box. Is there even a HomeKit box from anyone reputable that supports z-wave (much less both)?!
lilyoyo1 Posted June 13, 2019 Posted June 13, 2019 12 minutes ago, jasont said: Is there even a HomeKit box from anyone reputable that supports z-wave (much less both)?! Short answer is Nope, not officially anyway. You could use something like indigo or homeseer where a developer has decided to make a plugin for it. With that said, should the developer cease development, youll be back in the same boat.
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