Amazon Key ~ Was just a matter of time

[Teken]

As noted in previous discussions on this board and dozens of others. It didn't take long for someone to find a hack to disable this terrible idea of parcel delivery: https://www.wired.com/story/amazon-key-flaw-let-deliverymen-disable-your-camera/

 

I'm not sure why people and businesses are pushing the envelope of such a concept.

 

It truly makes no sense and opens the most expensive investment you have to untold threats and liabilities. Like many around the world there have been countless methods and solutions for receiving a parcel. They have been the following in no specific order of importance or relevance:

 

- Leave the package on the steps

- Leave the package in a large container provided by the home owner

- Have the package redirected to the place of business of the home owner

- Leave a note indicating the parcel needs to be left with the neighbor 

- Go pick up the parcel at the couriers depot / public wicket

- Reschedule for a time where someone will be home to receive the package

 

None of the above compromises the safety and security of the home . . .

[stusviews]

There are times I need to allow someone entry when I'm not at home. However, in my case, it's the opening of a walk-in gate, not entry to our home (see note, below). Our DoorBell Fon allows me to set a permanent code (for the gardeners) or a temporary code that automatically expires after 1-8 days (exterior maintenance, for example, house painting, gutter cleaning, etc.).

 

The DoorBell Fon also rings our landline phones, so we can communicate with whoever rang the bell. Pressing the * key allows us to buzz them in (or not). And a camera so that we have a visual. Using a DoorBell Fon accessory relay and an I/O Linc turns on a small monitor in the bedroom, so I don't need to get out of bed it someone rings the doorbell at that time.

 

Note: Our housekeeper has entry to our home-anytime. She's been working for me before I even met my wife, nearly three decades and, of course, my best friend has full access.

[Teken]

There are times I need to allow someone entry when I'm not at home. However, in my case, it's the opening of a walk-in gate, not entry to our home (see note, below). Our DoorBell Fon allows me to set a permanent code (for the gardeners) or a temporary code that automatically expires after 1-8 days (exterior maintenance, for example, house painting, gutter cleaning, etc.).

 

The DoorBell Fon also rings our landline phones, so we can communicate with whoever rang the bell. Pressing the * key allows us to buzz them in (or not). And a camera so that we have a visual. Using a DoorBell Fon accessory relay and an I/O Linc turns on a small monitor in the bedroom, so I don't need to get out of bed it someone rings the doorbell at that time.

 

Note: Our housekeeper has entry to our home-anytime. She's been working for me before I even met my wife, nearly three decades and, of course, my best friend has full access.

 

I'm sure there are many instances / scenarios where giving other people access to your home which you trust is required. You've cited several from the maid, gardener, etc. But, these aren't perfect strangers who just so happen to stumble upon your property they are invited and expected. Anyone who took the time to read the linked article can already see the lengths Amazon has *Built In* their counter measures.

 

All of this is in vain and is simply offering a solution where there is no need / want.

 

The sad reality is this 2000 millennial crowd has zero concept or care about personal safety or security. This statement is bolstered by the shear fact billions of people share every facet of their lives on social media and allow endless tracking of their personal where about's.

 

This problem is right up there with the concept of delivery a parcel via quad copter ~ There's something wrong with peoples brain who think this is OK.

 

Right up there with the automated vehicle and AI robots . . .

 

The very first time we read, hear, see, a persons house lit on fire, raped, murdered.

 

Yup, predictable and completely avoidable yet this generation of humans have zero concept of the basics. This is only superseded by those over 40 who have complete buy in to this silliness.  

[lilyoyo1]

I'm sure there are many instances / scenarios where giving other people access to your home which you trust is required. You've cited several from the maid, gardener, etc. But, these aren't perfect strangers who just so happen to stumble upon your property they are invited and expected. Anyone who took the time to read the linked article can already see the lengths Amazon has *Built In* their counter measures.

 

All of this is in vain and is simply offering a solution where there is no need / want.

 

The sad reality is this 2000 millennial crowd has zero concept or care about personal safety or security. This statement is bolstered by the shear fact billions of people share every facet of their lives on social media and allow endless tracking of their personal where about's.

 

This problem is right up there with the concept of delivery a parcel via quad copter ~ There's something wrong with peoples brain who think this is OK.

 

Right up there with the automated vehicle and AI robots . . .

 

The very first time we read, hear, see, a persons house lit on fire, raped, murdered.

 

Yup, predictable and completely avoidable yet this generation of humans have zero concept of the basics. This is only superseded by those over 40 who have complete buy in to this silliness.  

They are creating a need. There will be some idiot who thinks that it is a great idea which will lead to more sales for them for the hardware and memberships which equals greater revenue....which at the end of the day is all amazon wants.

[elvisimprsntr]

Not to mention a rouge delivery person could leave a package with contraband then call the DEA, ATF, FBI, etc on you.

[stusviews]

Not to mention a rouge deliver person could leave a package with contraband then call the DEA, ATF, FBI, etc on you.

 

That's pretty farfetched. Why? Did your dog bite the Amazon delivery person? Plus, these agencies just don't go out on any random tip. The package would need to be in the home, some evidence needs to be provided and a search warrant obtained.

 

I'd be more concerned about something going out than being brought in

[Teken]

If the world that we all live in was fair, equal, and moral values were the main drivers. This whole drop and go service would have some real value with out all the fuss. But since none of us live in this fantasy land privacy, security, and peace of mind must be top of mind. Its bad enough people are too lazy to unlock a door just like everyone else has for a hundred year.

 

Now all people have to do is speak, have a cell phone in close range, or a RFID on the key ring.

 

So by extension these really smart people have initiated another threat vector that offers yet another risk & liability.

 

I can't see anything going wrong . . . 

[stusviews]

Its bad enough people are too lazy to unlock a door just like everyone else has for a hundred year.

 

Actually, the earliest pin lock was created around 4000 BC.

[Teken]

Actually, the earliest pin lock was created around 4000 BC.

 

So when Fred Flintstones was banging away with that rock it was called a pin lock eh? 

 

LOL . . .    

[stusviews]

Nope, the earliest locks were wooden. A metal version of the modern lock was created in the early 1800's. As one would expect, a burglary was the impetus to the development of the metal lock.

 

Doors weren't the only things that were locked. Leather chastity belts began in the early 1400's, leather and metal two hundred years later and a full couple of centuries before metal was used for door locks. An indication of priorities?

[Teken]

Nope, the earliest locks were wooden. A metal version of the modern lock was created in the early 1800's. As one would expect, a burglary was the impetus to the development of the metal lock.

 

Doors weren't the only things that were locked. Leather chastity belts began in the early 1400's, leather and metal two hundred years later and a full couple of centuries before metal was used for door locks. An indication of priorities?

 

Yes I recall they said the first wooden ones were from the Egyptians from like 2000 B.C. I'll have to disagree because the Chinese had locks way before the Egyptians did which were found in several digs.

 

So that's where that whole domination thing started eh back in the 1400's? 

[stusviews]

So that's where that whole domination thing started eh back in the 1400's? 

 

Way before that. It took that long to find a way that worked. They no longer exist. Man smart, woman smarter

[Teken]

Way before that. It took that long to find a way that worked. They no longer exist. Man smart, woman smarter

 

Stu, I'm just howling right here as I type thanks for the levity.

[elvisimprsntr]

Plus, these agencies just don't go out on any random tip.

Yes they do provided it has sufficient detail. A friend of mine has first hand knowledge which involves an ex GF.

[stusviews]

"Sufficient detail," is the key term. Each situation is judged independently. Too, a GF would provide considerable more detail than an in and out person. Too, the angry GF has a motive (that doesn't validate the tip, in any case). This, if proven, is a serious charge, it's much more than "getting back."

 

So, back to my original contention, why would an Amazon delivery person plant incrimination evidence and what's the likelihood? I'm not in any way supporting letting a stranger in when you're not at home, but I do consider probabilities--given some facts. They're not wild guesses.

 

I'm not naive. I taught inferential statistics to graduate students at UCLA and have some legal training as well.

[larryllix]

Yeah. Perps don't come dressed as amazon (one breast?) delivery men. The come dressed as CIA, FBI, HS, NCIS, MP,  PD, UPS, FedEx, SPCA, or USPS.  It's more convincing.

[G W]

Yeah. Perps don't come dressed as amazon (one breast?) delivery men. The come dressed as CIA, FBI, HS, NCIS, MP, PD, UPS, FedEx, SPCA, or USPS. It's more convincing.

But mostly dressed as humans.

 

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[larryllix]

But mostly dressed as humans.

 

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