born2dive Posted December 9, 2017 Posted December 9, 2017 I realize this is a basic question but I was not able to find the answer. I have 3 patio lights, each controlled by an Insteon on/off switch (not dimmer) and they operate fine individually. I have setup a scene that include all 3 that allows me to turn on all the lights in the backyard at once. The scene works fine from the ISY admin console or from Mobilinc. I'd like to be able to turn the scene (all 3 lights) on from the any of the switches using a double tap so I can keep the flexibility to turn them on individually or all together. Can I trigger the scene using a double tap? How? Can I also turn off the scene using a double tap? I assume that the 3 lights should be setup as responders. Is that right? Thanks.
paulbates Posted December 9, 2017 Posted December 9, 2017 Insteon scenes can't be specified by double tap. However, you can get the same results with this: Create a scene where all 3 are Responders only Create 2 programs If switchA is switched fast on or switchB is switched fast on or switchC is switched fast on Then Set SceneAllThree on Create as similar program for off There will be a second or two delay Paul 1 1
born2dive Posted December 9, 2017 Author Posted December 9, 2017 Insteon scenes can't be specified by double tap. However, you can get the same results with this: Create a scene where all 3 are Responders only Create 2 programs If switchA is switched fast on or switchB is switched fast on or switchC is switched fast on Then Set SceneAllThree on Create as similar program for off There will be a second or two delay Paul Perfect! Thank you!
LFMc Posted December 10, 2017 Posted December 10, 2017 I realize this is a basic question but I was not able to find the answer. I have 3 patio lights, each controlled by an Insteon on/off switch (not dimmer) and they operate fine individually. I have setup a scene that include all 3 that allows me to turn on all the lights in the backyard at once. The scene works fine from the ISY admin console or from Mobilinc. I'd like to be able to turn the scene (all 3 lights) on from the any of the switches using a double tap so I can keep the flexibility to turn them on individually or all together. Can I trigger the scene using a double tap? How? Can I also turn off the scene using a double tap? I assume that the 3 lights should be setup as responders. Is that right? Thanks. My insteon on/off switches do not have fast on/off options. Only dimmers have that feature. Sent from my XT1575 using Tapatalk
paulbates Posted December 10, 2017 Posted December 10, 2017 Only dimmers can make functional use of fast on / fast off on their loads -- it overrides a slow dim up or down rate. However, insteon on/off switches support the ability to be locally double tapped fast on/off, and ISY programs can detect that. On/Off switches also send dimming commands to dimmable devices linked scenes when when using "press and hold" of the paddle or keypadkey. ISY programs do not see this and not able to respond to it Paul
LFMc Posted December 10, 2017 Posted December 10, 2017 Only dimmers can make functional use of fast on / fast off on their loads -- it overrides a slow dim up or down rate. However, insteon on/off switches support the ability to be locally double tapped fast on/off, and ISY programs can detect that. On/Off switches also send dimming commands to dimmable devices linked scenes when when using "press and hold" of the paddle or keypadkey. ISY programs do not see this and not able to respond to it Paul Paul, your double taps must be faster than mine. Lol. Never got it to work. Research on my switches showed there is no such response on my on/off switches. Maybe you have a different model? Sent from my XT1575 using Tapatalk
paulbates Posted December 10, 2017 Posted December 10, 2017 (edited) Paul, your double taps must be faster than mine. Lol. Never got it to work. Research on my switches showed there is no such response on my on/off switches. Maybe you have a different model? Sent from my XT1575 using Tapatalk Leon, If you open your ISY Admin Console, find the on/off device and click on it, look at the options at the bottom. Fast On / Off should be there. This is what was recommended to the OP I have several on/offs that I detect being switched locally fast on / off. Attached is a pic of one of my oldest togglincs in the if part of an ISY program. The fast on / off buttons are there and work in the Admin console. Also a sample If statement where the ISY is allow me to detect fast on/off from in a program Its the same double tap speed as any other switch. Paul Edited December 10, 2017 by paulbates
born2dive Posted December 10, 2017 Author Posted December 10, 2017 Paul, your double taps must be faster than mine. Lol. Never got it to work. Research on my switches showed there is no such response on my on/off switches. Maybe you have a different model? Sent from my XT1575 using Tapatalk Just confirming, I followed the suggested solution and it worked just fine (ISY detected double tap) using on/off switches.
LFMc Posted December 10, 2017 Posted December 10, 2017 Leon, If you open your ISY Admin Console, find the on/off device and click on it, look at the options at the bottom. Fast On / Off should be there. This is what was recommended to the OP I have several on/offs that I detect being switched locally fast on / off. Attached is a pic of one of my oldest togglincs in the if part of an ISY program. The fast on / off buttons are there and work in the Admin console. Also a sample If statement where the ISY is allow me to detect fast on/off from in a program Its the same double tap speed as any other switch. Paul Ok, yes, mine has the fast on/off buttons on the Admin console also, but I spent a lot of time trying to get a program to respond to the fast on/off from the switch and gave up. I have that same type of program working else where with dimmer switches that work great. I just programmed (for grins) it again and still doesn't work. Mine is a 2476s v.41 switch which I think is a bit older and powerline communications only. I just chalked it up to all on/off switches not have the fast features. what is really interesting is even if I issue the fast on from the admin console, the program still doesn't run.
paulbates Posted December 11, 2017 Posted December 11, 2017 Mine is a 2476s v.41 switch which I think is a bit older and powerline communications only. I just chalked it up to all on/off switches not have the fast features. Leon I believe this feature was designed into insteon and in the Insteon whitepaper. what is really interesting is even if I issue the fast on from the admin console, the program still doesn't run. This is "working as designed". The messages generated by insteon switches that are associated with "if xxx is switched on/off" are transmitted only when locally and physically tap/double tap/holding the switch. Remotely activating the switch does not send the messages back out, ISY programs won't respond. This applies to linked devices too.. turning on a switch via admin console or ISY program does not turn on linked devices it activates when switching it on locally. What should work in programs is status on/off, no matter how the switch is activated, its status should be detected. Paul 1
LFMc Posted December 11, 2017 Posted December 11, 2017 Leon I believe this feature was designed into insteon and in the Insteon whitepaper. This is "working as designed". The messages generated by insteon switches that are associated with "if xxx is switched on/off" are transmitted only when locally and physically tap/double tap/holding the switch. Remotely activating the switch does not send the messages back out, ISY programs won't respond. This applies to linked devices too.. turning on a switch via admin console or ISY program does not turn on linked devices it activates when switching it on locally. What should work in programs is status on/off, no matter how the switch is activated, its status should be detected. Paul It appears this 2476S switch may have partially failed, if that is possible. It does not send DON, DOF or DFON, DFOF when pressed locally. It turns on and off the light locally and responds to all inbound requests from the ISY. I tried factory reset, did a restore device and it is still acting the same way. I am going to yank it and put in a newer dual band unit. Then I can test it further off line. Sorry for the confusion.
stusviews Posted December 12, 2017 Posted December 12, 2017 You can't actually see a fast on or off from an On/Off device. The only way to detect it is via a program setting.
lilyoyo1 Posted December 12, 2017 Posted December 12, 2017 Ok, yes, mine has the fast on/off buttons on the Admin console also, but I spent a lot of time trying to get a program to respond to the fast on/off from the switch and gave up. I have that same type of program working else where with dimmer switches that work great. I just programmed (for grins) it again and still doesn't work. Mine is a 2476s v.41 switch which I think is a bit older and powerline communications only. I just chalked it up to all on/off switches not have the fast features. what is really interesting is even if I issue the fast on from the admin console, the program still doesn't run. I've used insteon for many years (even early 2476 models). Though all of my devices are newer for the most part, even back then the DBL tap worked as a fast on.
cyberk Posted December 14, 2017 Posted December 14, 2017 I had a similar issue before, somehow the switches lost the route back to the PLM. A reset device from the ISY console should fix it, if not, try removing the device, reset the device locally, re-add to ISY. If all that fails, then yeah, switch could be bad. It appears this 2476S switch may have partially failed, if that is possible. It does not send DON, DOF or DFON, DFOF when pressed locally. It turns on and off the light locally and responds to all inbound requests from the ISY. I tried factory reset, did a restore device and it is still acting the same way. I am going to yank it and put in a newer dual band unit. Then I can test it further off line. Sorry for the confusion. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1
ScottAvery Posted December 14, 2017 Posted December 14, 2017 I had a similar issue before, somehow the switches lost the route back to the PLM. A reset device from the ISY console should fix it, if not, try removing the device, reset the device locally, re-add to ISY. If all that fails, then yeah, switch could be bad. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I was going to suggest the same. I had some devices orphaned from PLM after a replacement that could be operated fine but did not report status because the PLM link was missing in both the ISY and the device, so restore did not rebuild the reference to the PLM. They had to be removed and re-added after reset rather than restored. You might be able to save programming and whatnot be temporarily "replacing" the switch with another, then swapping back, but that might erase the new PLM link again. 1
davefess Posted December 24, 2017 Posted December 24, 2017 I just was able to set up two scenes using the double tap feature that turns flood lights on multiple buildings from six different switches. It works fine. Had one issue with one of the switches that wasn't responding. I deleted it from the scene and then re-added it. That solved the problem. Now everything works great.
ScottAvery Posted December 26, 2017 Posted December 26, 2017 I just was able to set up two scenes using the double tap feature that turns flood lights on multiple buildings from six different switches. It works fine. Had one issue with one of the switches that wasn't responding. I deleted it from the scene and then re-added it. That solved the problem. Now everything works great. With a program? Or you just connected all the devices in a scene as all controllers?
Recommended Posts