ewind Posted January 22, 2018 Posted January 22, 2018 A licensed electrician could not access main power wiring easily so he tapped into smoke detector 110v wires. He stated it meets code. i had him use a 2466s switch. Its been working perfect for 2 months. Then for unknown reason the nearest Life Alert smoke / CO detector went off. There was absolutely no smoke or CO to be detected. Could the 2466s cause some sort of trigger? 1.5 year old new construction wiring and detectors and newly purchased 2466s.
Brian H Posted January 22, 2018 Posted January 22, 2018 Was the 2466 being used at the time? Not highly likely but some devices are sensitive to Insteon power line signals.
ewind Posted January 22, 2018 Author Posted January 22, 2018 (edited) Thanks for confirming its possible the powerline signal could possibly trigger the first alert closest inline. 2466 was not in use, but at the time the smoke alarm was triggered (~10:07 PM 1/19/2018) the Isy log shows the following which appears to be a reboot?? The gap in time between 8:53 and 10:17 is odd since there would typically be a few activities checking thermostats, lights getting triggered etc....But at 10:17 my kids shut main power on panel to see if it would get alarms to stop. It of course did not so they turned back on which would have reset all devices. Another oddity was that my main Insteon Thermostat was not responding regularly to ISY and status in Web UI was in odd state. Unfortunately this all happened while I was away. I cold booted ISY and PLM on 1/21 probably around the time the last error event occurred. I am asking the electrician to reconsider moving the tap to main power adding a bit of labor to his project. The LLG Coach error has been there since installing that switch. Its my 2nd switch in same receptacle and still have ongoing issue communicating with it. I still havent solved that since every other device in the system are communicating, across both sides of my main panel. I need to try moving the PLM one more time to see if it changes behavior. Basement Thermo Humidity 38% Fri 2018/01/19 08:32:13 PM System Log Main Thermo / Main Warm Status Off Fri 2018/01/19 08:45:06 PM System Log Main Thermo Heat/Cool State Off Fri 2018/01/19 08:45:06 PM System Log Basement Undercabinet Lights Status 100% Fri 2018/01/19 08:49:30 PM System Log Driveway-Opened Status 0% Fri 2018/01/19 08:53:22 PM System Log Front Door Light On Fri 2018/01/19 08:53:22 PM Program Log 0 null Fri 2018/01/19 10:17:02 PM System Start Basement Thermo / Basement Warm Status On Fri 2018/01/19 10:17:06 PM System Log Basement Thermo Heat/Cool State Heat On Fri 2018/01/19 10:17:06 PM System Log Scene:ISY Status Query Fri 2018/01/19 10:17:06 PM System Log South Beam Status 100% Fri 2018/01/19 10:17:07 PM System Log Sunroom Lamp Dimmer Status 0% Fri 2018/01/19 10:17:07 PM System Log Sunroom Lamp Dimmer On Level 100% Fri 2018/01/19 10:17:07 PM System Log Sunroom Lamp Dimmer Ramp Rate 0.5 Sec Fri 2018/01/19 10:17:07 PM System Log Bonus Fridge Status 0% Fri 2018/01/19 10:17:08 PM System Log Basement Lamp Status 0% Fri 2018/01/19 10:17:08 PM System Log North Beam Status 100% Fri 2018/01/19 10:17:09 PM System Log LLG Coach Error 0 Mon 2018/01/15 04:39:54 PM System Log LLG Coach Error 1 Mon 2018/01/15 04:40:06 PM System Log LLG Coach Error 0 Mon 2018/01/15 04:41:31 PM System Log LLG Coach Error 1 Mon 2018/01/15 04:42:41 PM System Log LLG Coach Error 0 Mon 2018/01/15 05:13:32 PM System Log LLG Coach Error 1 Tue 2018/01/16 06:10:43 AM System Log Main Thermo Error 1 Thu 2018/01/18 03:29:23 PM System Log Main Thermo Error 0 Thu 2018/01/18 04:59:24 PM System Log Main Thermo Error 1 Fri 2018/01/19 04:30:22 AM System Log Main Thermo Error 0 Fri 2018/01/19 04:49:13 AM System Log Main Thermo Error 1 Fri 2018/01/19 07:30:22 AM System Log Main Thermo Error 0 Fri 2018/01/19 07:30:26 AM System Log Main Thermo Error 1 Fri 2018/01/19 03:29:22 PM System Log Main Thermo Error 0 Fri 2018/01/19 04:45:55 PM System Log LLG Coach Error 1 Fri 2018/01/19 10:18:12 PM System Log Main Thermo Error 1 Sat 2018/01/20 11:24:27 AM System Log Main Thermo Error 0 Sat 2018/01/20 11:31:57 AM System Log Main Thermo Error 1 Sat 2018/01/20 11:32:39 AM System Log LLG Coach Error 1 Sat 2018/01/20 11:34:24 AM System Log Main Thermo Error 1 Sat 2018/01/20 11:35:17 AM System Log Main Thermo Error 0 Sat 2018/01/20 11:47:07 AM System Log Main Thermo Error 1 Sat 2018/01/20 04:44:38 PM System Log Main Thermo Error 0 Sat 2018/01/20 04:49:37 PM System Log Main Thermo Error 1 Sun 2018/01/21 09:00:22 AM System Log LLG Coach Error 1 Sun 2018/01/21 11:05:53 AM System Log Main Thermo Error 1 Sun 2018/01/21 11:06:20 AM System Log Main Thermo Error 0 Sun 2018/01/21 11:06:33 AM System Log Edited January 22, 2018 by ewind
Teken Posted January 22, 2018 Posted January 22, 2018 (edited) Just some items to consider and think about: - The 2466S is one of the last Insteon devices which are power line only and thus requires a solid mesh. - Always confirm your Insteon network is properly coupled / bridged via the 4 tap beacon test which is outlined in any full users manual. - Smoke Detector: Confirm the electrician did not tap into the signal wire opposed to the power & neutral wire. In some States / Provinces if the 120 VAC smoke detector is connected to a security alarm panel they may use a interface relay. This relay has been known to be impacted by third party hardware devices. Edited January 22, 2018 by Teken
lilyoyo1 Posted January 22, 2018 Posted January 22, 2018 In my old place, I tapped into the power of my smoke detector to power my insteon outlets (controlled wireless cameras) without any issues. It may have been a one time thing. I would keep an eye on things (especially since you weren't there) just to be certain it wasn't a false alarm to something else
Teken Posted January 22, 2018 Posted January 22, 2018 Its important to also consider if its just a maintenance issue so check to see if the unit is dirty and clean any fluff / debris with electronic safe canned air. Some units may also behave oddly when the battery is low even though they are running primarily on 120 VAC. Remove the batteries and test them to ensure they are still within its stated VDC. Lastly, keep in mind cleaning ionizing vs photo electric sensors is similar but due care must be used to avoid damaging a ionizing sensor with high pressure canned air. CO detectors depending upon make, model, and production year have a operating service life of 5, 7, 10 year depending upon maker which supersedes the smoke detection aspect. Smoke sensors need to be replaced at the ten year mark regardless of maker for consumer models ~ commercial units you need only replace the sensing chamber.
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