Limitations of Motion Sensor 2 (2844-222) with 4.6.2?

[greazer]

I am trying to use a new Insteon Motion Sensor 2 for the first time in my setup. I was able to link it successfully as a 2842-222 and it kinda works. 

 

I can't get it to send On signals until after the timeout regardless of the options I set.  I really want it to only send On signals like I've done with several other of the older motion sensors.

 

Is this a limitation of using the newer motion sensor as used with 4.6.2?

 

Timeout: 0.5

​LED Brightness: 15

Darkness Sensitivity: 128

​Sensing Mode: Checked

​LED On: Unchecked

​On commands only: Checked

​Night only mode: Unchecked
 

[Brian H]

Yes it is a limitation in 4.6.2.

Adding it as the earlier model Allows it to do basic functions.

Some here that also have a HUB. Have used the HUB to set the options and then add it to the ISY994i Module Tree.

[greazer]

Ok thanks. I thought maybe I was crazy. 

[Greg]

This is how I worked around the Motion Sensor II using the default settings...Note I am using 5.0.11C, so you may need to change the program to get it to work in 4.6.2.  This is how I run my two light switches and the motion sensor.  If the sensor sees motion, it turns lights on...once the motion sensor runs it's 30 seconds of ON and switches to OFF the Else statement of program 1 runs and will hold for 5 min with the lights on, if the sensor is triggered again within that 5 min window, the program again becomes true until the sensors timer runs out and that triggers the else statement again and starts a new 5 min timer.

 

The 2nd and 3 programs are for if someone manually turns the lights off, the lockout prevents the motion detectors ON state from making the first programs if statement true for a period of time longer than what the motion sensors own timeout of 30 seconds is set to.

 

The limitation here of course is you cant put the lights and the sensor into a scene, so there is a small delay between detection and lights. 

 

 

First Program

Kitchen Motion On - [iD 0014][Parent 000A]

 

If

        'Kitchen Motion Sensor-Sensor' Status is On

    And $Kitchen_Dinning_Room_Lockout is 0

 

Then

        Set 'Dining Room Lights' Fast On

        Set 'Kitchen Lights' Fast On

 

Else

        Wait  5 minutes 

        Set 'Dining Room Lights' Fast Off

        Set 'Kitchen Lights' Fast Off

 

Second Program:

Switch_Lockout - [iD 0011][Parent 000A]

 

If

        'Dining Room Lights' is switched Off

     Or 'Dining Room Lights' is switched Fast Off

     Or 'Kitchen Lights' is switched Fast Off

     Or 'Kitchen Lights' is switched Off

 

Then

        $Kitchen_Dinning_Room_Lockout += 1

 

Else

   - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action')

 

Final Program:

 

 Lockout_Loop - [iD 0015][Parent 000A]

 

If

        $Kitchen_Dinning_Room_Lockout > 0

 

Then

        Wait  35 seconds

        $Kitchen_Dinning_Room_Lockout  = 0

 

Else

   - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action')

 

 

 

[greazer]

Perfect! Thanks Greg, this is exactly what I needed and it works great. 

[Greg]

Glad it is working for you!

[glacket]

On 2/9/2018 at 5:49 PM, Greg said:

This is how I worked around the Motion Sensor II using the default settings...Note I am using 5.0.11C, so you may need to change the program to get it to work in 4.6.2.  This is how I run my two light switches and the motion sensor.  If the sensor sees motion, it turns lights on...once the motion sensor runs it's 30 seconds of ON and switches to OFF the Else statement of program 1 runs and will hold for 5 min with the lights on, if the sensor is triggered again within that 5 min window, the program again becomes true until the sensors timer runs out and that triggers the else statement again and starts a new 5 min timer.

 

The 2nd and 3 programs are for if someone manually turns the lights off, the lockout prevents the motion detectors ON state from making the first programs if statement true for a period of time longer than what the motion sensors own timeout of 30 seconds is set to.

 

The limitation here of course is you cant put the lights and the sensor into a scene, so there is a small delay between detection and lights. 

 

 

First Program

Kitchen Motion On - [iD 0014][Parent 000A]

 

If

        'Kitchen Motion Sensor-Sensor' Status is On

    And $Kitchen_Dinning_Room_Lockout is 0

 

Then

        Set 'Dining Room Lights' Fast On

        Set 'Kitchen Lights' Fast On

 

Else

        Wait  5 minutes 

        Set 'Dining Room Lights' Fast Off

        Set 'Kitchen Lights' Fast Off

 

Second Program:

Switch_Lockout - [iD 0011][Parent 000A]

 

If

        'Dining Room Lights' is switched Off

     Or 'Dining Room Lights' is switched Fast Off

     Or 'Kitchen Lights' is switched Fast Off

     Or 'Kitchen Lights' is switched Off

 

Then

        $Kitchen_Dinning_Room_Lockout += 1

 

Else

   - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action')

 

Final Program:

 

 Lockout_Loop - [iD 0015][Parent 000A]

 

If

        $Kitchen_Dinning_Room_Lockout > 0

 

Then

        Wait  35 seconds

        $Kitchen_Dinning_Room_Lockout  = 0

 

Else

   - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action')

 

 

 

Hi, how would you add manual on and off function to this? for example if i were to manually turn the light on, i would want it to stay on indefinitely until i turn the switch off manually. 

[lilyoyo1]

4 hours ago, glacket said:

Hi, how would you add manual on and off function to this? for example if i were to manually turn the light on, i would want it to stay on indefinitely until i turn the switch off manually. 

The way I do mine is to disable my program when the light is manually turned on and re-enable it when the light is manually turned off. The motion is also auto enabled after midnight

[IanSmith]

I use a technique I saw here once... set the light at 99% on in the sensor programming and at 100% if the manual switch is triggered on. The sensors won't turn the light off if the light is at 100%. But upon reflection, I don't know why I didn't just use a variable to indicate whether they were turned on by the sensors or the switch.

[larryllix]

I use a technique I saw here once... set the light at 99% on in the sensor programming and at 100% if the manual switch is triggered on. The sensors won't turn the light off if the light is at 100%. But upon reflection, I don't know why I didn't just use a variable to indicate whether they were turned on by the sensors or the switch.

Some seem to be traumatised by variables and fear their complexity.

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[IanSmith]

So the 99% trick works, as long as that doesn't scare the same people.

[larryllix]

26 minutes ago, IanSmith said:

So the 99% trick works, as long as that doesn't scare the same people.

For me it would be the most simple and obvious, considering wondering what you did a year from now.

[jblackst5000]

I have owned an Insteon Motion Sensor 11 for about a year now. I did get it to somewhat work with ISY994i ZW firmware 4.6.2 but limited. I have since updated my firmware to 5.01.13C and now I see all kinds of adjustments that are available. Does anyone know what all of these do and should I even use most of them. I just use it to turn on my lights in the family room when it see's motion. I did read the owners manual from SmartHome and it just gave me instructions on how to set it up on an IOS or Android device. I am seeing this in the Admin Console of my ISY 994i. Thanks so much for your help and support.

Insteon Motion Sensor 11.docx