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Anyone have a recent 2413S PLM?


Brian H

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I just received a PLM from the Smarthome sale.

I think they shipped a new but older stock unit.

Revision 2.4 Date Code 3817. That is like eight or nine months old. Also the sales page says the Link Database was increased to ~ 2000 links. Mine has the newer serial daughter board but still the 24FC64 memory chip found in the ~1000 links models.

Anyone have a recent one. That can post their hardware revision and date code.

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Same for me with Revision 2.4 Date Code 3817. I'm considering put it online proactively and not waiting for a failure.

@Brian H Can you tell if these have better caps then previous HW revs? I'm never getting to 2000 links so not as concerned about missing out there, I'm more interested in the materials where its possible to tell.

Paul

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2413S PLM

Hardware 2.4, Date Code:3817, Firmware 9E
Capacitors are the same as in the V2.3.

C3 6.8Uf/250V Don't recognize the brand logo.
C11 100uF/25V Fujucon
C8 10uF/16V Fujicon

C7 and C13. Now 100uF/50V Fujicon capacitor. The V2.1 has a 100uF/35V Small enough to fit the PC Board without bending over.
Mounted parallel to the PCB and fastened with component glue.
Too large to fit in PCB Pads location vertically. Could not read the Fujicon series markings. So I can't say if it has better qualities.

Most of the changes are on the new Serial Daughter Board.

The RS232 interface chip is a TI brand MAX232EI. Also in the V2.3
From Specializations sheet:
• ESD Protection for RS-232 Bus Pins
– ±15-kV Human-Body Model (HBM)
– ±8-kV IEC61000-4-2, Contact Discharge
– ±15-kV IEC61000-4-2, Air-Gap Discharge
There are two added resistors and two added three pin diodes in the RS232 signals to the outside world.

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Hi Brian,

 Followed your lead and got a 2413S as a backup PLM on the 30% sale.

It also is R2.4  3817.

The daughtercard has a 24FC64I  EEProm - which would be 1000 links.

They unloaded on us :(

 

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My 5010K Ezbridge PLM has a 24FC256 that said it supported 2K link records + space for downloaded programs.

Laying those caps on their side like they have in these newer 2413S  is pretty sloppy.  I guess if it lasts longer I will not complain too hard.

 

 

 

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Sounds possible.

I suspect they maybe using the extra memory for things.

I actually got a few very early 2412S units with the 24LC256 memory,  RTC  IC with backup battery. 2414S Daughter Board from the 2414S PLC that you could download SALadIDE programs you compiled with the compiler.  Most of the memory was wasted in a 2412S with the 417 links size. As was the RTC.

 

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Did a short test with a 2412S. Hardware 3.1. Firmware 85
A test ISY994i Firmware 4.6.2
Added a 2635.222 On/Off module.
Did a few Options changes with the Event Viewer in Level 3
It seemed to use I2CS messages with no problems.

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The last 2412 that I worked with back in 2012 was about the time I got my first i2CS module.    While that 2412 was i2 it was not i2cs.

If you send a "get engine"  command to the module under question you can read the engine and see if it is i2CS.

The last 2412 that I had also had only 1/2 the PLM signal strength of my 2413 at the time.   Not saying that pertains to all 2412s but it did to that one.

I2CS was a pain to deal with ( at a development level) when it was introduced.  In addition to the added  i2 checksum it also began naking commands if units were not previously linked.  Up until then you could still command devices that you were not linked to.  Not after i2CS.

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I don't think the later firmware 2412S PLM is I2CS  sensitive. An Extended Insteon message is an Extended Insteon  Message. Only the data  contents are changed to enable I2CS. Now the early firmware maybe a different story. I still have a V2.4 firmware 2412S .That may self destruct  on a Factory Reset. 50% change it will start smoking and die.

I will give it a try. I should have used the Event Viewer Level 3 when I added the module to the test ISY994i.

Smartenit has dumped the 2413 base board in their modules and went back to a 2412 style power line only board.  I believe made for them by Smartlabs. 

The EZIComm sales page now indicates. Equivalent to a 2412S or 2412U. Their other Insteon model modules  also now indicate power line, not Dual Band like they use to.

Before the closed their Forums to an archive status. There where numerous complaints about modules failing in a few years. Sounds familiar.  ?

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My first I2CS Developers Notes 01/13/2012. Last before closing 02/01/2012

2412S V3.1, Firmware 85, Large Size Link Database, ID:12.9D.C0, Date Code:0930
2635-222 On/Off Module. Firmware 48. ID:37.38.1C, Date Code:5014

Tue 06/12/2018 06:57:58 AM : [37 38 1C    ] Added to list of devices to link to ISY
Tue 06/12/2018 06:57:58 AM : [INST-TX-I1  ] 02 62 37 38 1C 0F 0D 00
Tue 06/12/2018 06:57:58 AM : [INST-ACK    ] 02 62 37.38.1C 0F 0D 00 06                 (00)
Tue 06/12/2018 06:57:58 AM : [INST-SRX    ] 02 50 37.38.1C 12.9D.C0 AB 0D FF           (FF)
Tue 06/12/2018 06:57:58 AM : [Std-Direct Nack] 37.38.1C-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2
Tue 06/12/2018 06:57:58 AM : [INST-TX-I2CS] 02 62 37 38 1C 1F 09 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 F6
Tue 06/12/2018 06:57:58 AM : [INST-ACK    ] 02 62 37.38.1C 1F 09 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 F6 06 LNK-ON (01)
Tue 06/12/2018 06:57:59 AM : [INST-SRX    ] 02 50 37.38.1C 12.9D.C0 2B 09 01    LNK-ON (01)
Tue 06/12/2018 06:57:59 AM : [Std-Direct Ack] 37.38.1C-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2
Tue 06/12/2018 06:57:59 AM : [LNK-BGN     ] 02 64 01 00 06
Tue 06/12/2018 06:58:00 AM : [LNK-STAT    ] 02 53 M(01) gid=00 37.38.1C 0237 48
Tue 06/12/2018 06:58:00 AM : [INST-TX-I1  ] 02 62 37 38 1C 0F 0D 00
Tue 06/12/2018 06:58:00 AM : [LNK-END     ] 02 65 06
Tue 06/12/2018 06:58:00 AM : [Std MH      ] Unexpected Ack imCmd=65 cmd1= 0x1C
Tue 06/12/2018 06:58:00 AM : [INST-ACK    ] 02 62 37.38.1C 0F 0D 00 06                 (00)
Tue 06/12/2018 06:58:00 AM : [INST-SRX    ] 02 50 37.38.1C 12.9D.C0 2B 0D 02           (02)
Tue 06/12/2018 06:58:00 AM : [Std-Direct Ack] 37.38.1C-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2
Tue 06/12/2018 06:58:05 AM : [INST-TX-I1  ] 02 62 37 38 1C 0F 0D 00
Tue 06/12/2018 06:58:05 AM : [INST-ACK    ] 02 62 37.38.1C 0F 0D 00 06                 (00)
Tue 06/12/2018 06:58:05 AM : [INST-SRX    ] 02 50 37.38.1C 12.9D.C0 2B 0D 02           (02)
Tue 06/12/2018 06:58:05 AM : [Std-Direct Ack] 37.38.1C-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2
Tue 06/12/2018 06:58:05 AM : [INST-TX-I1  ] 02 62 37 38 1C 0F 10 00
Tue 06/12/2018 06:58:05 AM : [INST-ACK    ] 02 62 37.38.1C 0F 10 00 06          ID-REQ (00)
Tue 06/12/2018 06:58:05 AM : [INST-SRX    ] 02 50 37.38.1C 12.9D.C0 2B 10 00    ID-REQ (00)
Tue 06/12/2018 06:58:05 AM : [Std-Direct Ack] 37.38.1C-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2
Tue 06/12/2018 06:58:06 AM : [INST-SRX    ] 02 50 37.38.1C 02.37.48 8B 01 48           (48)
Tue 06/12/2018 06:58:06 AM : [Std-Broadcast] 37.38.1C-->02.37.48, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2
Tue 06/12/2018 06:58:06 AM : [37 38 1C 0  ] Calibrating engine version
Tue 06/12/2018 06:58:06 AM : [INST-TX-I2CS] 02 62 37 38 1C 1F 2F 00 00 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 D0
Tue 06/12/2018 06:58:06 AM : [INST-ACK    ] 02 62 37.38.1C 1F 2F 00 00 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 D0 06        (00)
Tue 06/12/2018 06:58:06 AM : [INST-SRX    ] 02 50 37.38.1C 12.9D.C0 2B 2F 00           (00)
Tue 06/12/2018 06:58:06 AM : [Std-Direct Ack] 37.38.1C-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2
Tue 06/12/2018 06:58:07 AM : [INST-ERX    ] 02 51 37 38 1C 12 9D C0 11 2F 00 00 01 0F FF 00 AA 00 12 9D C0 FF 1C 01 8D
Tue 06/12/2018 06:58:07 AM : [Ext-Direct  ] 37.38.1C-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=1, Hops Left=0
Tue 06/12/2018 06:58:07 AM : [37 38 1C 0  ] Using Database Link Table offset 0x0FF8 (reported 0x0FF8)
Tue 06/12/2018 06:58:07 AM : [37 38 1C 1  ] Start : Adding device to ISY
Tue 06/12/2018 06:58:07 AM : [37 38 1C 1  ] Finish : Adding device to ISY was Successful

Since you have more experience with PLM modules. Developing the ELAMONITOR. You may have facts I am not aware of.

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I really don't know how to interpret the assorted model numbers. But it appears that stillwater's device was made on March 2018. Not terribly recent.

Has Smarthome ever produced a version of the line interface that actually lasts longer than a year. I am on my 4th, and it appears to have crapped out. I tried updating a couple of the broken one and screwed up both attempts. Old hands are a pain.

Is there anything that actually works?

I looked at reviews on the web site. They have responded saying "we are fixing it". After how many years and the specific problems clearly identified by skilled users.

That adds a bit to my post. What is the part number for one of these interfaces that actually work like electronics should work?

Next. Is there any program that exchanges the broken ones for a functional replacement that survives for a reasonable amount of time? I have several. It would be reasonable that a defective product not fit for purpose would be recalled.

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The V2.4 is supposed to have improvements in it. I know the Daughter Board was updated and the capacitors maybe better.

For the ISY994I and older ISY99i. The only interface to the power lines and Insteon RF. Is the 2413S PLM or the long discontinued 2412S power line only PLM. Smartenit does have their own PLM but it is built on a base 2413 or 2412 main board with their own daughter board. Same power supply issues with the one on a 2413 base board.

The UDI PLM unfortunately never got to production. Smartlabs backed out of supplying the needed firmware to UDI.

Unlike the 2245-222 HUB that also seems to have a very poor time before failing. There is no exchange program or repair option like the HUB has. Over two years old warranty is gone and buy another one seems to be the only choice.

Unless you are good at repairing electronics. Then there is a repair thread here where we have rebuilt ours with quality capacitors rated for switching power supplies. Long thread but gives some of the typical failures with the 2413S. https://forum.universal-devices.com/topic/13866-repair-of-2413s-plm-when-the-power-supply-fails/

Side note. The hardware revision 2 of the 2443 Access Points. Is also built on a base 2413 main board. I had a pair of them also fail with power supply issues. Rebuilt them just like some of the 2413S PLMs

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8 hours ago, Harold said:

I really don't know how to interpret the assorted model numbers. But it appears that stillwater's device was made on March 2018. Not terribly recent.

 

The datestamp is the week/year. Or sometimes the year/week. My 2412S is 0823.
Still chugging along with an access point piggy-backed to it.

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On 10/20/2018 at 3:32 AM, Brian H said:

Over on the Insteon Forums. 

Insteon John {administrator} reported they recently made some improvements to the 2413S and 2413U.  The latest revision is now 2.5.

Post #6 https://forum.insteon.com/forum/main-category/insteon-products/computer-interfaces/powerlinc-modem-usb/106551-powerlinc-2413u-version-numbers

 

The one I got in January of this year is still a 2.4.

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I have the impression. That announcement was very premature. Someone decided the new design didn't need implementing .They have a load of V2.4 PLMs. Due to their very poor reputation and not selling well.

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