skunkiechris Posted June 2, 2009 Posted June 2, 2009 Have you ever talked to the people at In2Networks? They make a bunch of modules that communicate amongst one another and support things such as Honeywell/Ademco security products, Honeywell VisionPro/EnviraCom thermostats, some whole house audio products, reading water and electric meters, various lighting products, and some other stuff. They've had Insteon on their "Coming Soon" list forever. Who knows, perhaps teaming up with you guys would be a way for them to actually implement Insteon support (and give you another partner!)
Michel Kohanim Posted June 2, 2009 Posted June 2, 2009 Hello Chris, Thanks so very much for the suggestion. It would've been nice if we could communicate with their gateway (ICM) directly. But, it seems that their gateway is a dumb device that simply takes information and communicates it with their website. As such, added monthly fees etc. With kind regards, Michel Have you ever talked to the people at In2Networks? They make a bunch of modules that communicate amongst one another and support things such as Honeywell/Ademco security products, Honeywell VisionPro/EnviraCom thermostats, some whole house audio products, reading water and electric meters, various lighting products, and some other stuff. They've had Insteon on their "Coming Soon" list forever. Who knows, perhaps teaming up with you guys would be a way for them to actually implement Insteon support (and give you another partner!)
skunkiechris Posted June 2, 2009 Author Posted June 2, 2009 Well, there's that function, but the devices also communicate with each other (even if you don't have the eco-concierge website bit) I believe via UDP broadcasts. You can set them up so that, for example, when the HVAC unit hears the security unit say it's been set to Armed Away, it goes in to energy saving mode. Etc., etc. They support a bunch of lighting controllers via their lighting module, but not yet Insteon. I was just thinking that if they're 3rd party friendly, perhaps they'd be open to interfacing with the ISY. I've read information on various home automation forums of people sniffing the communication between them and using that knowledge to build other functions, but if they're open to a development partner that would probably be easier.
Michel Kohanim Posted June 3, 2009 Posted June 3, 2009 Hi Chris, We would be delighted to integrate with as many devices as possible. The only thing we cannot afford is to have to chase another company for development support, integration, and reverse engineering. I do not see anywhere on their website any information on developer/business relations. If you do know a contact there, I'd be delighted to talk to them. With kind regards, Michel Well, there's that function, but the devices also communicate with each other (even if you don't have the eco-concierge website bit) I believe via UDP broadcasts. You can set them up so that, for example, when the HVAC unit hears the security unit say it's been set to Armed Away, it goes in to energy saving mode. Etc., etc. They support a bunch of lighting controllers via their lighting module, but not yet Insteon. I was just thinking that if they're 3rd party friendly, perhaps they'd be open to interfacing with the ISY. I've read information on various home automation forums of people sniffing the communication between them and using that knowledge to build other functions, but if they're open to a development partner that would probably be easier.
Ishmael Posted June 27, 2009 Posted June 27, 2009 I'm curious what people may think about inherent limitations in the following strategy. I have an Ademco Vista 20P, the ICM, and just started using an ISY-99i. Right now, I'm testing a Perl program to link zone status changes from the ICM to the ISY. On the ISY, I created an empty program for each ICM zone. The Perl program uses makes a REST request to get the names of these programs and their IDs. The program then listens for zone changes. If a zone triggers, the Perl program makes a REST request for the corresponding ISY program to runThen to set the ISY program true. When the zone resets, the Perl program makes a REST request for runElse to set the ISY program false. Other programs are then conditioned on these empty programs, allowing activities to occur as the zones fault and reset. So far, it seems to work pretty good, but I've only get my ISY for a few weeks, so I don't know if there are any catches I should be considering with this. If anyone has suggestions, please let me know.
Michel Kohanim Posted June 28, 2009 Posted June 28, 2009 Hi Ishmael, That's pretty ingenious ... there are no catches whatsoever. The only issue is that you now need another computer in between. This is something we are working on and hopefully we'll have a nice solution for it. With kind regards, Michel
Ishmael Posted June 28, 2009 Posted June 28, 2009 Hi Michel, When you say: This is something we are working on and hopefully we'll have a nice solution for it. which part are you working on? Support for the ICM directly (which would be fabulous) or something to make the connecting pieces easier? I also have a question about the JSDK. Originally, I was going to try writing this usign the JSDK, but I could't find anything to run an ISY program. Is it in there and I just missed it, or is this just not available? Thanks.
Michel Kohanim Posted June 28, 2009 Posted June 28, 2009 Hi Ishmael, We are working on network appliances that should make these types of integrations easier. Still in design phase though. You can run JSDK (which includes an example) on any computer. But, what you are doing is much simpler and more elegant than running the whole Java library. With kind regards, Michel Hi Michel, When you say: This is something we are working on and hopefully we'll have a nice solution for it. which part are you working on? Support for the ICM directly (which would be fabulous) or something to make the connecting pieces easier? I also have a question about the JSDK. Originally, I was going to try writing this usign the JSDK, but I could't find anything to run an ISY program. Is it in there and I just missed it, or is this just not available? Thanks.
Ishmael Posted June 28, 2009 Posted June 28, 2009 Hi Michel, The original reason I was looking at the JSDK to handle this is the notification of events from the ISY. I'd like to use that for some other integration pieces, and I was just going to put everything together in a single Java app instead of the two disparate pieces. I can invoke the REST URL from my Java app as well, but is there a direct method in the JSDK to run a program? Thanks.
Michel Kohanim Posted June 28, 2009 Posted June 28, 2009 Hi Ishmael, JSDK usually is at official level and, therefore, does not include the latest REST functionality. It will surely include that functionality when we have our official 3.0 release. If you can use your Java application to call REST resources, then I think that would be the best temporary solution for now. With kind regards, Michel Hi Michel, The original reason I was looking at the JSDK to handle this is the notification of events from the ISY. I'd like to use that for some other integration pieces, and I was just going to put everything together in a single Java app instead of the two disparate pieces. I can invoke the REST URL from my Java app as well, but is there a direct method in the JSDK to run a program? Thanks.
mbski Posted October 4, 2009 Posted October 4, 2009 Have you ever talked to the people at In2Networks? They make a bunch of modules that communicate amongst one another and support things such as Honeywell/Ademco security products, Honeywell VisionPro/EnviraCom thermostats, some whole house audio products, reading water and electric meters, various lighting products, and some other stuff. They've had Insteon on their "Coming Soon" list forever. Who knows, perhaps teaming up with you guys would be a way for them to actually implement Insteon support (and give you another partner!) Well im new to this, but i have an IN2 networks lighting module with an insteon plm, and vista icm. and it works just fine, IN2 networks has had support for Insteon for at least the last 2 firmware updates, except for the latest 2.80. since its not supported for anyone who didnt have it previously you can call IN2networks and they will send you the files or I can send them to you.
mbski Posted October 4, 2009 Posted October 4, 2009 Hi Chris, We would be delighted to integrate with as many devices as possible. The only thing we cannot afford is to have to chase another company for development support, integration, and reverse engineering. I do not see anywhere on their website any information on developer/business relations. If you do know a contact there, I'd be delighted to talk to them. With kind regards, Michel To Michael From mbski Aaron Myers aaronmyer@in2networks.com Product developer. Also I have Insteon files for the in2networks lighting icm. And it works great with insteon plm 2412s. These 2 companies both have excellent support and compatible products in my opinion. Just FYI Well, there's that function, but the devices also communicate with each other (even if you don't have the eco-concierge website bit) I believe via UDP broadcasts. You can set them up so that, for example, when the HVAC unit hears the security unit say it's been set to Armed Away, it goes in to energy saving mode. Etc., etc. They support a bunch of lighting controllers via their lighting module, but not yet Insteon. I was just thinking that if they're 3rd party friendly, perhaps they'd be open to interfacing with the ISY. I've read information on various home automation forums of people sniffing the communication between them and using that knowledge to build other functions, but if they're open to a development partner that would probably be easier. Aaron Myer
Michel Kohanim Posted October 4, 2009 Posted October 4, 2009 Hi mbski, Thanks. I sent an email to Aaron Meyer ... we'll see. With kind regards, Michel
mbski Posted October 10, 2009 Posted October 10, 2009 Hi mbski, Thanks. I sent an email to Aaron Meyer ... we'll see. With kind regards, Michel oops his email is aaron.myer@in2networks.com sorry, mbski
Michel Kohanim Posted October 11, 2009 Posted October 11, 2009 Hello mbski, I did exchange an email with Mr. Meyer. He mentioned that Lighting ICM already supports INSTEON and I replied back with ISY capabilities. I haven't heard anything from him since. Perhaps our solutions are competitive rather than complementary? With kind regards, Michel
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