Teken Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 Has anyone found a source for the right angle USB cable for the Motion Sensor II?? Smarthome has one and given the crazy shipping and exchange rate the $4.99 USD ends up being (almost) $42.XX for a freaking cable: https://www.smarthome.com/usb-power-cable-for-insteon-motion-sensor.html More specifically I'm looking for a white cable as the black one's are easily found. For those unaware the micro USB jack to supply power to the motion sensor II is upside down so don't purchase the wrong one! I am currently working toward replacing lots of older hardware and in doing so have decided to move away from direct battery powered units. The bulk of the sensors will be home run into a powered USB Hub which will be UPS powered so no worries about power blip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larryllix Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 Has anyone found a source for the right angle USB cable for the Motion Sensor II?? Smarthome has one and given the crazy shipping and exchange rate the $4.99 USD ends up being (almost) $42.XX for a freaking cable: https://www.smarthome.com/usb-power-cable-for-insteon-motion-sensor.html More specifically I'm looking for a white cable as the black one's are easily found. For those unaware the micro USB jack to supply power to the motion sensor II is upside down so don't purchase the wrong one! I am currently working toward replacing lots of older hardware and in doing so have decided to move away from direct battery powered units. The bulk of the sensors will be home run into a powered USB Hub which will be UPS powered so no worries about power blip. I got the Insteon one from aartech.ca. it is only 2m long but the only one I have ever found that would work.Yeah. The can come with four different angles and the popular arlo webcams are the opposite angle. Grrrrrrrr. Insteon does it again. I can even smell bits of Apple on the cable. I have seen a few cables with very short straight in plugs on them and some day will try to bend a flat cable type very sharply to do the measurement.For now I am just thinking of aartech.ca with their $10 shipping and a white USB female to make extension.Sent using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teken Posted January 31, 2020 Author Share Posted January 31, 2020 If I don't get any hits from here I'll break down and just purchase the black ones on line. Just rather not have to cover up / paint the cable to blend into the surrounding area. On a side note will go with a smaller powered hub that has individual On / Off buttons for long term maintenance which is more centralized. This will help me reduce the home runs in the basement while ensuring voltage drop is less of an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larryllix Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 2 hours ago, Teken said: If I don't get any hits from here I'll break down and just purchase the black ones on line. Just rather not have to cover up / paint the cable to blend into the surrounding area. On a side note will go with a smaller powered hub that has individual On / Off buttons for long term maintenance which is more centralized. This will help me reduce the home runs in the basement while ensuring voltage drop is less of an issue. If you get a hot on black once that have the correct angle (I see some calling it "upper"and "lower "angle") I would appreciate a link. I spent many hours searching amazon and ebay to no avail. I did find some adapters but wasn't sure of the correct angle when I was shopping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gzahar Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 4 hours ago, larryllix said: If you get a hot on black once that have the correct angle (I see some calling it "upper"and "lower "angle") I would appreciate a link. I spent many hours searching amazon and ebay to no avail. I did find some adapters but wasn't sure of the correct angle when I was shopping. If you don't need it for a month.... up version worked for me: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32888696089.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.2b534c4daqWJVd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larryllix Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 1 hour ago, gzahar said: If you don't need it for a month.... up version worked for me: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32888696089.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.2b534c4daqWJVd Thanks! Now to find one in a decent length and hopefully white. Perhaps this style will become more popular with demand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kclenden Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 Here's what I found at digikey.com and digikey.ca when searching on "usb cable up angle micro" White 3' ($3.28 USD/$4.99 CAD)https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/qualtek/3021084-03/Q1232-ND/8681887 White 6' ($3.88 USD/$5.94 CAD)https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/qualtek/3021085-06/Q1233-ND/8681888 White 10' ($4.90 USD/$7.50 CAD)https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/qualtek/3021086-10/Q1234-ND/8681889 Black 1.64' ($4.75 USD/$7.27 CAD)https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/cnc-tech/102-1392-BL-00050/1175-1694-ND/4485896 Black 3' ($3.26 USD/$4.99 CAD)https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/qualtek/3021075-03/Q1223-ND/8681878 Black 3.28' ($5.00 USD/$7.65 CAD)https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/cnc-tech/102-1392-BL-00100/1175-1695-ND/4485897 Black 6' ($3.88 USD/$5.94 CAD)https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/qualtek/3021076-06/Q1224-ND/8681879 Black 6.56' ($5.20 USD/$7.95 CAD)https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/cnc-tech/102-1392-BL-00200/1175-1696-ND/4485898 Black 10' ($4.90 USD/$7.50 CAD)https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/qualtek/3021077-10/Q1225-ND/8681880 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teken Posted February 5, 2020 Author Share Posted February 5, 2020 On 2/1/2020 at 12:51 AM, kclenden said: Here's what I found at digikey.com and digikey.ca when searching on "usb cable up angle micro" White 3' ($3.28 USD/$4.99 CAD)https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/qualtek/3021084-03/Q1232-ND/8681887 White 6' ($3.88 USD/$5.94 CAD)https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/qualtek/3021085-06/Q1233-ND/8681888 White 10' ($4.90 USD/$7.50 CAD)https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/qualtek/3021086-10/Q1234-ND/8681889 Black 1.64' ($4.75 USD/$7.27 CAD)https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/cnc-tech/102-1392-BL-00050/1175-1694-ND/4485896 Black 3' ($3.26 USD/$4.99 CAD)https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/qualtek/3021075-03/Q1223-ND/8681878 Black 3.28' ($5.00 USD/$7.65 CAD)https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/cnc-tech/102-1392-BL-00100/1175-1695-ND/4485897 Black 6' ($3.88 USD/$5.94 CAD)https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/qualtek/3021076-06/Q1224-ND/8681879 Black 6.56' ($5.20 USD/$7.95 CAD)https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/cnc-tech/102-1392-BL-00200/1175-1696-ND/4485898 Black 10' ($4.90 USD/$7.50 CAD)https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/qualtek/3021077-10/Q1225-ND/8681880 You're awesome and you know it! I'll sit down and do a hardware count to see how many I and others need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larryllix Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 I finally measured and none of those lengths will reach a receptacle. I need at least 12 feet so doing a USB extension with the Insteon 6' cable.https://www.amazon.ca/gp/offer-listing/B07RX6M7TG/ref=dp_olp_new_mbc?ie=UTF8&condition=new Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teken Posted February 5, 2020 Author Share Posted February 5, 2020 1 minute ago, larryllix said: I finally measured and none of those lengths will reach a receptacle. I need at least 12 feet so doing a USB extension.https://www.amazon.ca/gp/aw/d/B07RX6M7TG/ref=ppx_yo_mob_b_track_package_o0_img?ie=UTF8&psc=1#immersive-view_1580931451838 Sent using Tapatalk I didn't need the plug that goes to the sensor to be very long from the start. All of them will be plugged into 30 ~ 45 feet male to female extensions. The only reason for it being white was to reduce the need to cover the cable or paint it to match the surrounding area. I just did some mental math and will need five in my basement which will all be home run into a powered (switched) hub. I'll need to get a little creative this spring to run the same extension cables through the attic so it can run along the eve troughs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larryllix Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 10 minutes ago, Teken said: I didn't need the plug that goes to the sensor to be very long from the start. All of them will be plugged into 30 ~ 45 feet male to female extensions. The only reason for it being white was to reduce the need to cover the cable or paint it to match the surrounding area. I just did some mental math and will need five in my basement which will all be home run into a powered (switched) hub. I'll need to get a little creative this spring to run the same extension cables through the attic so it can run along the eve troughs. I will be following door and window trims that are white and quite visible. Unfortunately the 10' will be a little short for most applications and the USB A extensions can be re-purposed later if the application arises. I am not too sure about these MS II's as the hardware and operation sucks. I have no need for the temperature or other features and it all seems very Mickey Mouse anyway. Sending queries to these things can make my ISY hand and reboot, I think. I am trying to move al the new MS IIs into non lamp scene applications and save the older units for those applications. I also ordered 100 pc x 3M flat cable clips in white, trying to make the wiring disappear.https://www.amazon.ca/Ethernet-Cable-Ruaeoda-Self-Adhesive-Management/dp/B07Y6FTF1B/ref=olp_product_details?_encoding=UTF8&me= Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teken Posted February 5, 2020 Author Share Posted February 5, 2020 I will be following door and window trims that are white and quite visible. Unfortunately the 10' will be a little short for most applications and the USB A extensions can be re-purposed later if the application arises. I am not too sure about these MS II's as the hardware and operation sucks. I have no need for the temperature or other features and it all seems very Mickey Mouse anyway. Sending queries to these things can make my ISY hand and reboot, I think. I am trying to move al the new MS IIs into non lamp scene applications and save the older units for those applications. I also ordered 100 pc x 3M flat cable clips in white, trying to make the wiring disappear.https://www.amazon.ca/Ethernet-Cable-Ruaeoda-Self-Adhesive-Management/dp/B07Y6FTF1B/ref=olp_product_details?_encoding=UTF8&me= For the basement I won’t need to worry about clips for the bulk of the wiring as all of the cables will run through a wiring trough.Those that run through the attic I’ll need to make a dedicated path so none of the wiring gets damaged.The next step is to finalize a 3D printed housing for a custom LED flood light I’m designing to hold a standard motion sensor, 4K camera, speaker, and the Insteon motion sensor II.This hobby is nothing but a money pit and time suck! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa C Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 Can I jump in on this conversation too? I'm in the process of adding some of the multisensor 6. Are any of you using the recessors? All of the conversation seems to sound like you are just plugging them all into the wall with a charger? Reason for this style mounting? Teken even mentioned running the wire around the room under windows? Am I going the wrong way? Was thinking that most of mine would actually be in the ceiling (using the recessor) for a clean look. Then was planning on using a POE splitter ( https://www.amazon.com/Splitter-Compatible-Requires-Ethernet-Injector/dp/B019BLMWWW/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?dchild=1&keywords=poe%2Bsplitter&qid=1591641634&s=electronics&sr=1-1-spons&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUExVklVNUg5M1RYVjRQJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwMjE2Nzg5V1lHT09KSUtSUDVEJmVuY3J5cHRlZEFkSWQ9QTAzMDc1MzMyNUlDWklNRkdCWlZFJndpZGdldE5hbWU9c3BfYXRmJmFjdGlvbj1jbGlja1JlZGlyZWN0JmRvTm90TG9nQ2xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ&th=1 ) to power it. Hoping this is the right angle on the plug, anybody try this yet? I already bought the power injector ( https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0086SQDMM/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1 ). But the original splitter I got was a straight plug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teken Posted June 8, 2020 Author Share Posted June 8, 2020 1 hour ago, Papa C said: Can I jump in on this conversation too? I'm in the process of adding some of the multisensor 6. Are any of you using the recessors? All of the conversation seems to sound like you are just plugging them all into the wall with a charger? Reason for this style mounting? Teken even mentioned running the wire around the room under windows? Am I going the wrong way? Was thinking that most of mine would actually be in the ceiling (using the recessor) for a clean look. Then was planning on using a POE splitter ( https://www.amazon.com/Splitter-Compatible-Requires-Ethernet-Injector/dp/B019BLMWWW/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?dchild=1&keywords=poe%2Bsplitter&qid=1591641634&s=electronics&sr=1-1-spons&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUExVklVNUg5M1RYVjRQJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwMjE2Nzg5V1lHT09KSUtSUDVEJmVuY3J5cHRlZEFkSWQ9QTAzMDc1MzMyNUlDWklNRkdCWlZFJndpZGdldE5hbWU9c3BfYXRmJmFjdGlvbj1jbGlja1JlZGlyZWN0JmRvTm90TG9nQ2xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ&th=1 ) to power it. Hoping this is the right angle on the plug, anybody try this yet? I already bought the power injector ( https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0086SQDMM/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1 ). But the original splitter I got was a straight plug. All of these Motion Sensor II are just being mounted in the unfinished basement in the different rooms / zones. None of mine are being run under any window, doors, cabinets at all. The primary reason is to reduce the long term costs for A123 cells and the never ending replacement process. The secondary reason is being able to use the temperature feature of this new sensor. I also wanted a physical way to manage these sensors to take them out of the network remotely should the need arise. Using a managed & powered USB hub this will allow me to do so. The link you provided looks like the Micro USB plug is facing the wrong direction (sideways) vs upside down - Intentional?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa C Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 On 6/8/2020 at 3:23 PM, Teken said: All of these Motion Sensor II are just being mounted in the unfinished basement in the different rooms / zones. None of mine are being run under any window, doors, cabinets at all. The primary reason is to reduce the long term costs for A123 cells and the never ending replacement process. The secondary reason is being able to use the temperature feature of this new sensor. I also wanted a physical way to manage these sensors to take them out of the network remotely should the need arise. Using a managed & powered USB hub this will allow me to do so. The link you provided looks like the Micro USB plug is facing the wrong direction (sideways) vs upside down - Intentional?? I'd just seen all sorts of comments about running lamp cord through the walls, opening usb chargers and soldering, removing them from cases to tuck in side of outlets, running long cords, etc. I'm planning on using them out in living areas and bathrooms to control lighting and fans mostly, possibly blinds, there's also the repeating function, and there is the spousal acceptence factor to consider. Not to mention that there is never an outlet where you want it. Just seemed that poe would be a good solution. Direction of the plug? We'll see. There are two adapters come with it. Due in the end of the week. With you on the batteries. Not a fan of ANYTHING battery powered. I've got one plugged into a usb charger to play with right now and already got the evil eye from the wife..... Of course her comment was "you're not putting a camera in the bathroom".... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teken Posted June 11, 2020 Author Share Posted June 11, 2020 I'd just seen all sorts of comments about running lamp cord through the walls, opening usb chargers and soldering, removing them from cases to tuck in side of outlets, running long cords, etc. I'm planning on using them out in living areas and bathrooms to control lighting and fans mostly, possibly blinds, there's also the repeating function, and there is the spousal acceptence factor to consider. Not to mention that there is never an outlet where you want it. Just seemed that poe would be a good solution. Direction of the plug? We'll see. There are two adapters come with it. Due in the end of the week. With you on the batteries. Not a fan of ANYTHING battery powered. I've got one plugged into a usb charger to play with right now and already got the evil eye from the wife..... Of course her comment was "you're not putting a camera in the bathroom".... I’ve seen quite a few hacks over the years and the bulk of them are truly disasters waiting to happen. I can easily admit doing a few hacks myself for short term testing in a isolated area. Regardless, those days are behind me and try very hard to use the correct tools when and where needed even if it initially costs more.Because in the end cheaping out always costs you more down the line. With respect to POE I agree using this technology when and where you can solves many problems with respect to wiring and power distribution.I have three 500 watt 48 Port POE switches getting ready to be deployed in the coming months. They will be tasked to power many devices throughout the home from phones, cameras, sensors, keypads, and IoT.Lastly, over the last eight years I’ve been pushing hard to use rechargeable cells coupled to solar when possible. The most difficult hardware to do the same are those using round button coin cells! Awesome small form factor but next to impossible to replace with renewable energy without breaking open the casing and incorporating hacker PSU’s to offer the same. Let us know how your POE starts solution goes once installed! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa C Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Teken said: I’ve seen quite a few hacks over the years and the bulk of them are truly disasters waiting to happen. I can easily admit doing a few hacks myself for short term testing in a isolated area. Regardless, those days are behind me and try very hard to use the correct tools when and where needed even if it initially costs more. Because in the end cheaping out always costs you more down the line. With respect to POE I agree using this technology when and where you can solves many problems with respect to wiring and power distribution. I have three 500 watt 48 Port POE switches getting ready to be deployed in the coming months. They will be tasked to power many devices throughout the home from phones, cameras, sensors, keypads, and IoT. Lastly, over the last eight years I’ve been pushing hard to use rechargeable cells coupled to solar when possible. The most difficult hardware to do the same are those using round button coin cells! Awesome small form factor but next to impossible to replace with renewable energy without breaking open the casing and incorporating hacker PSU’s to offer the same. Let us know how your POE starts solution goes once installed! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk If the POE splitters I have coming don't fit there are some that terminate in a female USB. I could always go to that and use the factory cable that came with them. That would just mean having 6' if USB cable wadded up near the device. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa C Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 On 6/11/2020 at 8:16 AM, Teken said: I’ve seen quite a few hacks over the years and the bulk of them are truly disasters waiting to happen. I can easily admit doing a few hacks myself for short term testing in a isolated area. Regardless, those days are behind me and try very hard to use the correct tools when and where needed even if it initially costs more. Because in the end cheaping out always costs you more down the line. With respect to POE I agree using this technology when and where you can solves many problems with respect to wiring and power distribution. I have three 500 watt 48 Port POE switches getting ready to be deployed in the coming months. They will be tasked to power many devices throughout the home from phones, cameras, sensors, keypads, and IoT. Lastly, over the last eight years I’ve been pushing hard to use rechargeable cells coupled to solar when possible. The most difficult hardware to do the same are those using round button coin cells! Awesome small form factor but next to impossible to replace with renewable energy without breaking open the casing and incorporating hacker PSU’s to offer the same. Let us know how your POE starts solution goes once installed! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Well, all of the micro usb splitters I got had one thing in common, the plug was still just too big to fit into the sensor. So, I have some splitters ordered that terminate in female USB so I could just use the factory cable and plug it into the splitter. BUT!!! Then I found this: https://imgur.com/a/rB68g . I find it SUPER interesting. ESPECIALLY when you follow to one of the last pictures where the entire assembly fits INTO the sensor! Somewhere I think I still have a box of 2 pair phone wire. I'm now thinking a 24vdc poe injector, that box of phone wire, and a hand full of these little buck converters........ Thoughts? Also, I've noticed, a lot of these conversations are a few years old. Good and bad experiences that may have been had might make it easier for some of us that are just getting there.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larryllix Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 I use the cables designed for my MS IIs https://www.aartech.ca/2822-222/insteon-usb-power-cable-for-insteon-motion-sensor-ii.html along with these so it will reach receptacles mounted where they usually would be.https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B07RX6M7TG/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 along with a wrap of white PVC tape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teken Posted June 23, 2020 Author Share Posted June 23, 2020 Well, all of the micro usb splitters I got had one thing in common, the plug was still just too big to fit into the sensor. So, I have some splitters ordered that terminate in female USB so I could just use the factory cable and plug it into the splitter. BUT!!! Then I found this: https://imgur.com/a/rB68g . I find it SUPER interesting. ESPECIALLY when you follow to one of the last pictures where the entire assembly fits INTO the sensor! Somewhere I think I still have a box of 2 pair phone wire. I'm now thinking a 24vdc poe injector, that box of phone wire, and a hand full of these little buck converters........ Thoughts? Also, I've noticed, a lot of these conversations are a few years old. Good and bad experiences that may have been had might make it easier for some of us that are just getting there.... That was a pretty slick solution implemented there. It really comes down to environmental & personal choice as to what route to follow regarding power. I chose my power solution based on having the ability to manage each sensor independently for long term maintenance. While not impacting my network infrastructure and keeping things isolated and contained. PSU & Converters: Offers lots of choices in terms of cost, size, electronic options. But requires planing, research, and DIY. POE: Easy to implement and deploy as much of the cabling and power is standardized. Still requires planning, research, as you saw with the plug. USB Hub: This is the epitome of (P&P) Plug & Play. Really comes down to how many ports, output power, and managed vs unmanaged. I went this route because of its simplicity, ability to scale, and manageability. No DIY hacking involved and easily passes all building codes with respect to fire / electrical compliance. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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