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dexmot74

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I have the above program which doesn't seem to work.

The Breezway Light is a scene with 2 Insteon Switches in a 3-way config.

When either door (both insteon sensors) is opened only ONE of the switches turns on. The one with the load unfortunately, so no light.

Any ideas why? If I manually activate either switch they turn each other on flawlessly. No issues. Its only when the open door triggers.

 

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47 minutes ago, dexmot74 said:

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I have the above program which doesn't seem to work.

The Breezway Light is a scene with 2 Insteon Switches in a 3-way config.

When either door (both insteon sensors) is opened only ONE of the switches turns on. The one with the load unfortunately, so no light.

Any ideas why? If I manually activate either switch they turn each other on flawlessly. No issues. Its only when the open door triggers.

 

You need to activate the scene

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54 minutes ago, dexmot74 said:

The Breezway Light is a scene

If 'breezeway light' is a scene, and turning on that scene activates only some of the devices in the scene, I would look and try a couple of things.

- manually run (then path) the program.  Does the problem persist?

- manually turn on the scene.  Does the problem persist?

- check the ON levels for the devices in the scene.  Are any set to zero?

- consider the possibility of communication problems.

I don't see a programmatic problem here if, in fact, "breezeway light" is a scene.

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1 hour ago, oberkc said:

If 'breezeway light' is a scene, and turning on that scene activates only some of the devices in the scene, I would look and try a couple of things.

- manually run (then path) the program.  Does the problem persist?

- manually turn on the scene.  Does the problem persist?

- check the ON levels for the devices in the scene.  Are any set to zero?

- consider the possibility of communication problems.

I don't see a programmatic problem here if, in fact, "breezeway light" is a scene.

Yes its a scene and if I run the program manually it works every time just like if I click either switch. Everything seems to work perfectly manually but when I open the door only the one switch goes on even though I am calling the Scene.

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7 hours ago, dexmot74 said:

I removed both controllers from the scene and re-added them. It now seems to be working. Really bizarre because it's exactly how they were setup already.

Yes, strange.  If the earlier behavior (which switch came on, which one did not) was consistent, then, it makes me wonder if one of your link records became corrupted.    I must admit that I do not understand why running the program manually would work, but triggering the program naturally would not work.    

Well done.

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3 hours ago, oberkc said:

Yes, strange.  If the earlier behavior (which switch came on, which one did not) was consistent, then, it makes me wonder if one of your link records became corrupted.    I must admit that I do not understand why running the program manually would work, but triggering the program naturally would not work.    

Well done.

I tried restore before and it didn't work which makes me not confident my fix will continue to work. 

Possible to be bad switch?

How do I test for communication issues? 

I have around 50-75 insteon devices with many scenes and programs. This is the only one that's wonky. 

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I have had the experience that insteon devices can get a little obstinate.  If there is a consistent bad actor, swapping it out can sometimes solve the problem.

I have no particular advise troubleshooting comms issues other that trial-and-error.  Unplug devices that could cause interference and see if that helps.  Filter those that cause problems.

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Does this happen when you manually turn on the lights?  If so, I am more suspecting communication errors.  

- how old is your PLM?

- is the PLM on an outlet or circuit that includes lots of other electronic gadgets?

- are you able to associate the misbehavior with something else being on?

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12 hours ago, oberkc said:

Does this happen when you manually turn on the lights?  If so, I am more suspecting communication errors.  

- how old is your PLM?

- is the PLM on an outlet or circuit that includes lots of other electronic gadgets?

- are you able to associate the misbehavior with something else being on?

Nope, manually they work perfectly every time. Only difference between manual and auto is the open/close sensor for the door.

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@dexmot74 I've had all kinds of weirdness with the open/close sensors from Insteon.  I've given up trying to find a reason and have started looking at alternatives.  I don't know if it's a sensor problem or ISY problem or somewhere in between but like you things are just wonky when open/close sensors are involved.  Control through ISY of devices of scenes everything works.  A program involving a sensor to turn on a light or scene... nope sometimes it works great and other times it doesn't work or the scene is only half processed or some other weirdness.  I've been chasing this issue for a year now and no resolution.

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13 minutes ago, simplextech said:

@dexmot74 I've had all kinds of weirdness with the open/close sensors from Insteon.  I've given up trying to find a reason and have started looking at alternatives.  I don't know if it's a sensor problem or ISY problem or somewhere in between but like you things are just wonky when open/close sensors are involved.  Control through ISY of devices of scenes everything works.  A program involving a sensor to turn on a light or scene... nope sometimes it works great and other times it doesn't work or the scene is only half processed or some other weirdness.  I've been chasing this issue for a year now and no resolution.

@simplextech have you found any alternatives?

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7 minutes ago, dexmot74 said:

@simplextech have you found any alternatives?

If you have the Z-Wave board then there's a lot of options.  I currently have on my desk an Aeotec Door Sensor 7 and a EcoLink Door Window Sensor (Z-Wave Plus version).  Both work with the ISY. 

I need to deploy one of them into a real use on a door and evaluate the response time and reliability of the status.  A little over a year ago I tore down most of my Z-Wave when I deployed Insteon.  Now I'm finding I need to replace a lot of the Insteon to add Z-Wave back to have a solid/stable mesh for sensors.

The EcoLink I know works very well as I've used it before and I was not disappointed in it.  So I can say I'm likely to replace Insteon with these.  However the Aeotec Door Sensor 7 is new so I wanted to evaluate it.  So far I'm not pleased as I've had it for a few weeks sitting on my desk and the battery is dead.  It's been doing nothing but sitting on my desk.  I included it and tested and then left it.... not very happy about that so far.

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10 minutes ago, simplextech said:

If you have the Z-Wave board then there's a lot of options.  I currently have on my desk an Aeotec Door Sensor 7 and a EcoLink Door Window Sensor (Z-Wave Plus version).  Both work with the ISY. 

I need to deploy one of them into a real use on a door and evaluate the response time and reliability of the status.  A little over a year ago I tore down most of my Z-Wave when I deployed Insteon.  Now I'm finding I need to replace a lot of the Insteon to add Z-Wave back to have a solid/stable mesh for sensors.

The EcoLink I know works very well as I've used it before and I was not disappointed in it.  So I can say I'm likely to replace Insteon with these.  However the Aeotec Door Sensor 7 is new so I wanted to evaluate it.  So far I'm not pleased as I've had it for a few weeks sitting on my desk and the battery is dead.  It's been doing nothing but sitting on my desk.  I included it and tested and then left it.... not very happy about that so far.

@simplextech yup I have the z-wave module. I'll give those a try! Thanks.

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3 hours ago, dexmot74 said:

Nope, manually they work perfectly every time.

OK.  Then, how were they turned on when the ISY said they were "all off"?  This is the first I recall hearing of a sensor.  Did the sensor turn them on?  Is the sensor part of the scene?  Sounds like there is more going on here than I understood.

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13 minutes ago, oberkc said:

OK.  Then, how were they turned on when the ISY said they were "all off"?  This is the first I recall hearing of a sensor.  Did the sensor turn them on?  Is the sensor part of the scene?  Sounds like there is more going on here than I understood.

That's was not from manual. Was left in that state from above open/close program. 

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8 hours ago, dexmot74 said:

Was left in that state from above open/close program.

OK.  Then I guess the program must have run again to make they ISY think that it was off?

The point of this, in my mind, is that this could be problems communication between the switches and PLM.  It is for that I would be looking.

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