Elk m1

[lurlette]

So I have my CT-800 setup and working on my Washer, the ct dry contact is connected to zone 16 of my elk m1, I dont have any other expansion boards and I am using these Rules: 

WHENEVER Washer Status (Zn 16)BECOMES NOT SECURE
THEN TURN Output 100 ON FOR 5 MIN, RESTART TIMER IF RUNNING

WHENEVER Output 100 STATE IS TURNED OFF
AND Washer Status (Zn 16) IS NOT SECURE
THEN ANNOUNCE Miscellaneous 3 (vm241)

But the elk m1 still announces every time the washer pause, can anyone please guide me as to what I am doing wrong, I have Kenmore washer its Maytag . 

[Teken]

1 hour ago, lurlette said:

So I have my CT-800 setup and working on my Washer, the ct dry contact is connected to zone 16 of my elk m1, I dont have any other expansion boards and I am using these Rules: 

WHENEVER Washer Status (Zn 16)BECOMES NOT SECURE
THEN TURN Output 100 ON FOR 5 MIN, RESTART TIMER IF RUNNING

WHENEVER Output 100 STATE IS TURNED OFF
AND Washer Status (Zn 16) IS NOT SECURE
THEN ANNOUNCE Miscellaneous 3 (vm241)

But the elk m1 still announces every time the washer pause, can anyone please guide me as to what I am doing wrong, I have Kenmore washer its Maytag . 

I don't use or know anything about the ELK system but this is common issue with monitoring today's washers. There is always a pause in the cycle and this fools the system into thinking the cycle is complete. Probably the easiest thing to do is place a wait timer to ignore the intermittent pauses so when the system detects what ever the ELK see's it won't keep tripping and talking.

What exactly do you monitor using the CT-800 just the amperage which turns a dry contact on-off which tells the ELK the wash is done? If so, you don't have a lot of choices besides using the wait or winding the coil a few more turns to measure a lower current value. Going this route (assumes) at some known point the current will say be a quarter of the value.

Going this route (assuming it works) you know if the ELK declares a wash cycle complete - it's actually done!

I've never had a false message where my system tells me the various systems from clothes washer, dishwasher, dryer, furnace, fridge, freezer, defrost, sump, etc is on vs off or how long it's been running for.

Than again I don't use a current (amperage) measurement to flip a dry contact either as it's not 100% reliable.  

Edited March 1, 2020 by Teken

[Brian H]

The CT-800 has a fixed current setting of .5 Amp to switch it On. You can lower it by winding the wire being  sensed around the CT-800 twice for .25 Amps.

If the wire you are sensing. Goes to no current when it pauses. Like the motor power. It will go off and maybe what is triggering your m1.

[DennisC]

I would suggest doing most of the logic in the ISY.

When the CT changes state, have the output turn on. Write an ISY program to monitor the output and handle the wait. I'm not near my system right now and don't remember if you can program spoken words in the ISY for the ELK, if not, have ISY set another output on after the wait period and have the ELK monitor the second output. When the 2nd output turns on, the ELK announces the cycle is complete.

Over the years I have found the ISY handles the programming much better then the ELK. The ELK acts as input/output device very well.

[giesen]

I would suggest doing most of the logic in the ISY.
When the CT changes state, have the output turn on. Write an ISY program to monitor the output and handle the wait. I'm not near my system right now and don't remember if you can program spoken words in the ISY for the ELK, if not, have ISY set another output on after the wait period and have the ELK monitor the second output. When the 2nd output turns on, the ELK announces the cycle is complete.
Over the years I have found the ISY handles the programming much better then the ELK. The ELK acts as input/output device very well.

I agree with this sentiment. The Elk should be the eyes and ears, and the ISY is the brain. The only programming I have in my Elk is for security/flood alarms/etc

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[apostolakisl]

This is my program.  It uses an Insteon synchrolinc which I don't think they make any more.  Anyway, the synchrolinc is like the CT800 except you can set parameters from ISY.  This program works perfectly.

Washer D - [ID 00FA][Parent 00F7]

If
        'Master Bedroom / Master Washer' is switched Off
    And 'Master Bedroom / Master Washer' is not switched On
 
Then
        Wait  5 minutes 
        Send Notification to 'ellen gmail' content 'Laundry Downstairs'
 
Else
   - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action')
 

Having the "not switched on" ends the timer and runs the else clause which terminates the program.  So the timer only completes when the synchrolinc is off (not detecting current) for 5 continuous minutes.  I have the synchrolinc set to 15 watts trigger, 16 seconds hold off, and 5 watts hysteresis on a Samsung front loader and 3 watts, 2 seconds, 3 watts on a Whirlpool Calypso high efficiency top loader.  I'm sure other settings would work, but it was something of a hunt and peck method of finding what works and once I found something that worked, I quit.

The main difference between ISY and Elk programs is that ISY can have multiple triggers.  In this case, both turning the synchrolinc on and turning it off are triggers.  In Elk, only the first line is the trigger, additional lines are only checked when the first line condition is met.  So in the ISY program my second line simply ends the running program by re-triggering it. . . closing out the true state and moving to the false state.

Now, looking at your elk program, it seems like it should work.  Somehow it must still have a violated condition on zone 16 after the 5 minutes.  I don't know, you would have to sit there and observe it as it happens to know.  Watch to see that output 100 turns on for 5 minutes, and watch the status of zone 16.  Either the output isn't turning on for 5 minutes, or zone 16 is staying violated.  Could it be that you have something else using output 100?  Might try a different output.  Try exporting your Elk programs into MS Word and do a find for the word output hunting down every instance of it.

Edited March 2, 2020 by apostolakisl