smarthome_newbie Posted June 13, 2020 Posted June 13, 2020 I see in admin console how to add a z wave device and tried to add, but not sure what button to press on the smoke alarm to get it in pair mode. Is the smoke bridge required? https://www.smarthome.com/onelink-zcombo-g-battery-powered-z-wave-smoke-co-alarm.html
simplextech Posted June 13, 2020 Posted June 13, 2020 Quote OTHER Z-WAVE SYSTEMS•The alarm will operate with 3rd party, certified Z-Wave devices. Basic command class required by all Z-Wave devices. By the requirements of the Device Class spec, this command class does not have to be mappedto any particular functionality for this device.INCLUSION1.Slide battery door open.2.Insert batteries checking the correct orientation.3.Press and hold the test button. Keep it held down as you slide the batterydrawer closed. You may then release the button.EXCLUSION1.Slide battery door open.2.Remove and re-insert batteries checking the correct orientation.3.Press and hold the test button. Keep it held down as you slide the batterydrawer closed. You may then release the button.•The alarm will remain awake for 30 seconds on inclusion.•The alarm supports one association group with up to 1 node, and sendsits alarms to that group.•The alarm supports configuration parameter #1, which has a size of 1, a default value of 0, and when set to 1 causes the device to send doublealarm messages.RESET DEVICEIf the device is powered up with the test button held down for 10+ seconds, thedevice will reset all Z-Wave settings and leave the network. NOTE: The devicewill not remain awake after resetting and will go into standby mode. Manual: https://cache-m2.smarthome.com/manuals/83852-user-manuals.pdf
smarthome_newbie Posted July 31, 2020 Author Posted July 31, 2020 Thanks for the instructions. I put the smoke alarm in pair mode but the ISY isn't finding it. It is about 50 feet away from the ISY in another room. Is that too far? Edit: Maybe I'm missing a step. I tried connecting an old Vivint x wave switch. I pressed the pair button and then add x wave device in admin console but it couldn't find it. Distance isn't an issue because I had it in the same room as the isy.
larryllix Posted August 1, 2020 Posted August 1, 2020 13 hours ago, smarthome_newbie said: Thanks for the instructions. I put the smoke alarm in pair mode but the ISY isn't finding it. It is about 50 feet away from the ISY in another room. Is that too far? Edit: Maybe I'm missing a step. I tried connecting an old Vivint x wave switch. I pressed the pair button and then add x wave device in admin console but it couldn't find it. Distance isn't an issue because I had it in the same room as the isy. I always enter the Insteon address into the admin console. They are always found then. Doesn't apply to Zwave
lilyoyo1 Posted August 1, 2020 Posted August 1, 2020 8 hours ago, larryllix said: I always enter the Insteon address into the admin console. They are always found then. He's referring to zwave which doesn't have an address
lilyoyo1 Posted August 1, 2020 Posted August 1, 2020 13 hours ago, smarthome_newbie said: Thanks for the instructions. I put the smoke alarm in pair mode but the ISY isn't finding it. It is about 50 feet away from the ISY in another room. Is that too far? Edit: Maybe I'm missing a step. I tried connecting an old Vivint x wave switch. I pressed the pair button and then add x wave device in admin console but it couldn't find it. Distance isn't an issue because I had it in the same room as the isy. Waay too far. It needs to be within a few feet. What was your old Vivint switch? Did you exclude first?
smarthome_newbie Posted August 1, 2020 Author Posted August 1, 2020 5 hours ago, lilyoyo1 said: Waay too far. It needs to be within a few feet. What was your old Vivint switch? Did you exclude first? The Z wave switch from Vivint is working now! I put it right next to the ISY and it found it. I'm going put the switch close to the smoke alarm and see if the smoke alarm will pair.
lilyoyo1 Posted August 1, 2020 Posted August 1, 2020 49 minutes ago, smarthome_newbie said: The Z wave switch from Vivint is working now! I put it right next to the ISY and it found it. I'm going put the switch close to the smoke alarm and see if the smoke alarm will pair. Won't work unless both are zwave plus as then it will have network wide inclusion. Besides 50 feet is still too far
smarthome_newbie Posted August 1, 2020 Author Posted August 1, 2020 18 minutes ago, lilyoyo1 said: Won't work unless both are zwave plus as then it will have network wide inclusion. Besides 50 feet is still too far The dimmer switch just has the z wave logo so guess not plus. Do you have any thoughts on how I can get the smoke alarm to connect to ISY? I was thinking if the dimmer switch was linked and then put close to the smoke alarm it would pair. Are you saying that even if it pairs 50 feet is still too far?
lilyoyo1 Posted August 1, 2020 Posted August 1, 2020 37 minutes ago, smarthome_newbie said: The dimmer switch just has the z wave logo so guess not plus. Do you have any thoughts on how I can get the smoke alarm to connect to ISY? I was thinking if the dimmer switch was linked and then put close to the smoke alarm it would pair. Are you saying that even if it pairs 50 feet is still too far?
smarthome_newbie Posted August 3, 2020 Author Posted August 3, 2020 On 8/1/2020 at 2:28 PM, lilyoyo1 said: Thank you!
asbril Posted August 20, 2020 Posted August 20, 2020 Yesterday I installed First Alert ZSMOKE Z-Wave Smoke Alarm, Z-Wave Smoke Alarm It added the following nodes : Smoke Alarm Heartbeat Low battery Malfunction Alarm Test Alarm All of these nodes have the green update icon, though writing an update has never worked for me, and then these nodes gave an error message that it was unable to connect (red exclamation icon in front of the nodes). The only way to re-connect the nodes again has been to press the test button on the smoke alarm, and then the nodes show up again normally. I also created a Push notification program to be alerted on my phone if the alarm activates. When pressing the test button, then the Push notification works, so I assume that all is well. It is just annoying that, like with some motion sensors, the ISY connection can show as broken, even though it probably is not.
dbuss Posted August 20, 2020 Posted August 20, 2020 I've been using these First Alert ZCOMBO 2-in-1 Smoke Detector & Carbon Monoxide Alarm, Z-Wave Combo for a couple of years and they seem to work fine with ISY.
asbril Posted August 25, 2020 Posted August 25, 2020 I now have had the First Alert ZSMOKE Z-Wave Smoke Alarm for about a week and it seems to be doing what it is supposed to be doing. The annoying thing is that frequently the ISY appears to be querying the smoke detector which is off line, as a battery operated device, until activated and gives n error message in the Administrative Console and a red exclamation point in front of the device (in the AC). Two questions : 1. would it make a difference if I change the "Always Awake" setting of the device ? 2. can I set ISY not to query the device ? (It is currently not in a query program).
lilyoyo1 Posted August 25, 2020 Posted August 25, 2020 10 minutes ago, asbril said: I now have had the First Alert ZSMOKE Z-Wave Smoke Alarm for about a week and it seems to be doing what it is supposed to be doing. The annoying thing is that frequently the ISY appears to be querying the smoke detector which is off line, as a battery operated device, until activated and gives n error message in the Administrative Console and a red exclamation point in front of the device (in the AC). Two questions : 1. would it make a difference if I change the "Always Awake" setting of the device ? 2. can I set ISY not to query the device ? (It is currently not in a query program). Did you add it on battery power or when it was hardwired in? I know on some wireless devices, it must be added while powered in the manner you plan on operating it.
asbril Posted August 25, 2020 Posted August 25, 2020 It was added on battery power and I don't see how I could do otherwise. Maybe I should do an "Update Neighbors:" while it is activated ?
lilyoyo1 Posted August 25, 2020 Posted August 25, 2020 17 minutes ago, asbril said: It was added on battery power and I don't see how I could do otherwise. Maybe I should do an "Update Neighbors:" while it is activated ? I don't use that product so I assumed maybe could be hardwired. You say the smoke detector currently offline? Are you saying the isy can't talk to it or you currently have it unplugged
asbril Posted August 25, 2020 Posted August 25, 2020 6 minutes ago, lilyoyo1 said: I don't use that product so I assumed maybe could be hardwired. You say the smoke detector currently offline? Are you saying the isy can't talk to it or you currently have it unplugged When I query I get error message that ISY can not communicate with the smoke alarm. However when I press the smoke alarm's test button, it communicates again and in fact sends the programed Pushover message to my phone. So the smoke alarm works when it supposed to work, but the frequent (at least once an hour) communication error messages are annoying as I leave the AC open most of the day. I rarely have same issue with my battery sensors.
lilyoyo1 Posted August 25, 2020 Posted August 25, 2020 26 minutes ago, asbril said: When I query I get error message that ISY can not communicate with the smoke alarm. However when I press the smoke alarm's test button, it communicates again and in fact sends the programed Pushover message to my phone. So the smoke alarm works when it supposed to work, but the frequent (at least once an hour) communication error messages are annoying as I leave the AC open most of the day. I rarely have same issue with my battery sensors. It sounds like a timeout issue. I wonder if it's a beaming issue? What's it's nearest neighbor for routing? Does that device support beaming?
lilyoyo1 Posted August 25, 2020 Posted August 25, 2020 9 minutes ago, asbril said: The nearest neighbor is 3 ft away ! Is it a beaming capable device
asbril Posted August 25, 2020 Posted August 25, 2020 I think that I have figured out something. In right click on the device, Zwave, Show information in Event Viewer, it shows that the last routing was close to my ISY, and anywhere near the kitchen where the Smoke Alarm is. That makes me think that this comes from the initial setup when the Smoke Alarm was indeed next to the ISY. A bit later, when nobody is at home I will activate the smoke alarm (annoying noise for my family) and then "Update Neighbors". I will then report back here with the outcome.
simplextech Posted August 25, 2020 Posted August 25, 2020 @asbril I have several of the ZCOMBO smoke/CO detectors and I've ran them in several systems including ISY. I have not yet tested them in the latest FW release though. They are typical sleeping battery devices so they don't respond to a query. I think there's a "New" version the ZCOMBO-G which is Z-Wave Plus and is a FLIRS or a Responding Sleeping Slave which should respond to a query... dunno but I ordered one to find out as I needed a new Smoke/CO detector anyways..... Bottom line they previously did work as expected for me in the ISY but they don't respond to queries as they are sleeping. Why the ISY is trying to query a battery device is more of a question for @Chris Jahn to find out if the Smoke detector was detected to be a FLIRS or RSS device which would be why the ISY might be trying to do a periodic query.
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