calberrt Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 Hi all. Recently switched to 5.3 and am having issues with a program I’m trying to run for lights. here is the theory: I’d like my kitchen lights to come on at 5:00am at 20% and then at set times increase as I wake up. here are the programs that I use. There is one scene -am kitchen lights and I adjust the on percentages and ramp rate before turning on the scene again at a later time if time is 5am then set individual devices in scene to on rate of 20% and ramp rate of 2 min wait 2 minutes Set scene “am kitchen lights” on the program is repeated with the same steps above turning the lights on at 60% and 100% with same fade up rates at 6:00 and 7:00am on the 7:00 am program, I have an extra line saying to “run program then path “am kitchen light reset”” which is as follows in scene “amkitchenlights” set devices in scene back to 20% and 2 min ramp rate. There are no other lines in this program the problem I am having is that this runs fine one day then the next day, the lights don’t initially turn on at 5 at 20% but at 100%. Can anyone help me out with the programming aspect of this. thanks Link to comment
lilyoyo1 Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 (edited) Post your actual programs so we can review. Most likely there's some interference but unless you post your programs we can't say. Also does your firmware and ui match? Is this insteon or zwave Edited January 2, 2021 by lilyoyo1 Link to comment
Screw Loose Dan Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 I agree with @lilyoyo1, seeing your programs would be helpful but most likely interference. Rather than adjusting one scene, I use different scenes to accomplish similar to what you are doing. In my case I just use two scenes and it's in my bedroom. The first, "Morning", is an extremely slow ramp rate and only goes to 60%. The 2nd one is a my normal scene for my bedroom. You could obviously add more scenes as desired. Morning Rise-work - [ID 002C][Parent 0001] If Time is 4:55:00AM And 'Kitchen / Under Cabinet' Status is Off And $Vacation is not 1 And $Occupy is 1 And $Work_Schedule is 1 And $S_Awake is 0 Then Set 'Morning' On Wait 5 minutes Set 'Master BR - All' On Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') 1 Link to comment
MrBill Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 I agree with @Screw Loose Dan , I would not adjust scene, but create multiple scenes. Also I agree that you should post your actual programs rather than type your interpretation of them... But if you knew how to do that you would have done it because its faster and easier..... to copy a program into the forum click the program name, then right click... the very bottom item on the context menu is "copy to clipboard", choose that, then paste it into your post by right clicking and picking paste or just typing control-V. 1 Link to comment
calberrt Posted January 2, 2021 Author Share Posted January 2, 2021 sorry guys..still relatively new at this but have been kicking around for a while. Moved to a new house and am working on setting up everything the way our family wants it. @MrBill - thanks for the directions on copying programs...here they are Wakeup Lights - [ID 000E][Parent 0001] If Time is 5:00:00AM Then Set 'Kitchen Morning Wakeup' Fade Up Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') Wakeup Lights Later - [ID 0013][Parent 0001] If Time is 6:00:00AM Then In 'Kitchen Morning Wakeup' Set 'Main Floor / Kitchen / Kitchen Overhead A' To 60% in 3.0 minutes In 'Kitchen Morning Wakeup' Set 'Main Floor / Kitchen / Kitchen Overhead B' To 60% in 3.0 minutes Wait 1 minute Set 'Kitchen Morning Wakeup' Fade Up Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') Wakeup Lights Breakfast - [ID 0014][Parent 0001] If Time is 6:50:00AM Then In 'Kitchen Morning Wakeup' Set 'Main Floor / Kitchen / Kitchen Overhead A' To 100% in 1.0 minute In 'Kitchen Morning Wakeup' Set 'Main Floor / Kitchen / Kitchen Overhead B' To 100% in 1.0 minute Wait 1 minute Set 'Kitchen Island' Fade Up Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') then at 9 AM, I turn them off and the reset program should kick in Wakeup Lights Off - [ID 0015][Parent 0001] If Time is 9:00:00AM Then Set 'Kitchen Morning Wakeup' Fade Down Wait 20 minutes Run Program 'Wakeup Lights Reset' (Then Path) Stop program 'Wakeup Lights Off' Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') Wakeup Lights Reset - [ID 001B][Parent 0001] If - No Conditions - (To add one, press 'Schedule' or 'Condition') Then In 'Kitchen Morning Wakeup' Set 'Main Floor / Kitchen / Kitchen Overhead A' To 20% in 2.0 minutes In 'Kitchen Morning Wakeup' Set 'Main Floor / Kitchen / Kitchen Overhead B' To 20% in 2.0 minutes Wait 5 minutes Stop program 'Wakeup Lights Reset' Any assistance would be greatly appreciated... THanks Guys! Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') Link to comment
MrBill Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 Again, I would just make 3 scene's. None of which have Adjust scene as a component. Then the programs will just do one thing.. turn on the appropriate scene at the appropriate time. 1 Link to comment
lilyoyo1 Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 I agree with MrBill. Nothing to reset and the light works normally throughout. By using individual scenes, you can set the specific ramp rates and light level as well Link to comment
oberkc Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 31 minutes ago, calberrt said: sorry guys..still relatively new at this but have been kicking around for a while. Moved to a new house and am working on setting up everything the way our family wants it. @MrBill - thanks for the directions on copying programs...here they are Wakeup Lights - [ID 000E][Parent 0001] If Time is 5:00:00AM Then Set 'Kitchen Morning Wakeup' Fade Up <<<< try “on” rather than “fade” Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') Wakeup Lights Later - [ID 0013][Parent 0001] If Time is 6:00:00AM Then In 'Kitchen Morning Wakeup' Set 'Main Floor / Kitchen / Kitchen Overhead A' To 60% in 3.0 minutes In 'Kitchen Morning Wakeup' Set 'Main Floor / Kitchen / Kitchen Overhead B' To 60% in 3.0 minutes Wait 1 minute Set 'Kitchen Morning Wakeup' fade up on<<< i would chage this to “on”. Not sure effect of “fade” command on a scene Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') Wakeup Lights Breakfast - [ID 0014][Parent 0001] If Time is 6:50:00AM Then In 'Kitchen Morning Wakeup' Set 'Main Floor / Kitchen / Kitchen Overhead A' To 100% in 1.0 minute In 'Kitchen Morning Wakeup' Set 'Main Floor / Kitchen / Kitchen Overhead B' To 100% in 1.0 minute Wait 1 minute Set 'Kitchen Island' Fade Up on <<<< same here Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') then at 9 AM, I turn them off and the reset program should kick in Wakeup Lights Off - [ID 0015][Parent 0001] If Time is 9:00:00AM Then Set 'Kitchen Morning Wakeup' Fade Down off Wait 20 minutes Run Program 'Wakeup Lights Reset' (Then Path) Stop program 'Wakeup Lights Off' <<<< unsure of the purpose of this action Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') Wakeup Lights Reset - [ID 001B][Parent 0001] If - No Conditions - (To add one, press 'Schedule' or 'Condition') Then In 'Kitchen Morning Wakeup' Set 'Main Floor / Kitchen / Kitchen Overhead A' To 20% in 2.0 minutes In 'Kitchen Morning Wakeup' Set 'Main Floor / Kitchen / Kitchen Overhead B' To 20% in 2.0 minutes Wait 5 minutes Stop program 'Wakeup Lights Reset' <<<< not sure of the purpose of this action, nor the one before it. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated... THanks Guys! Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') Notes added above. Am unsure if this is your problem, but it caught my attention. As far as troubleshooting techniques, have you tried manually running each program (then path) to see if they actually do what you want? Do you know how to do this? I am also unclear: is this a program that used to work, but now does not since the upgrade to 5.3? For what it is worth, Imwould also tend to do this with multiple scenes: Less read/write to devices. This has the potential to extend the life of your devices and provides fewer opportunities for communication problems to arise. Link to comment
calberrt Posted January 2, 2021 Author Share Posted January 2, 2021 (edited) thanks for the advice guys. Much appreciated. I'm going to switch my plan to using scenes rather than adjusting the scene within the program. this should simplify everything as i'll then just use programs to turn on the scene rather than adjusting the devices within the scene. Follow up - when switching between scenes using a program, do I need to turn one scene off and the other on or will the new one override the old one? Edited January 2, 2021 by calberrt 1 Link to comment
oberkc Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 1 hour ago, calberrt said: Follow up - when switching between scenes using a program, do I need to turn one scene off and the other on or will the new one override the old one? If the old and new scenes contain the same devices, I see no reason to turn the old scene off. The new scene levels will override the old levels. 1 Link to comment
calberrt Posted January 2, 2021 Author Share Posted January 2, 2021 Just now, oberkc said: If the old and new scenes contain the same devices, I see no reason to turn the old scene off. The new scene levels will override the old levels. thanks so much for your help @oberkc WIth everyones help, things are all sorted out now! Link to comment
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