New Nokia Insteon Devices

[silverton38]

There is a bunch of brand new Insteon devices made by Nokia. They look amazing but are they going to be compatible with the ISY (In particular the 4 button keypadlinc style switch)?

Here is the link

https://nokia.smartlabsinc.com/collections/nokia

 

[lilyoyo1]

14 minutes ago, silverton38 said:

There is a bunch of brand new Insteon devices made by Nokia. They look amazing but are they going to be compatible with the ISY (In particular the 4 button keypadlinc style switch)?

Here is the link

https://nokia.smartlabsinc.com/collections/nokia

 

No. At least not in the near future

[silverton38]

That is a shame.

 

[MrBill]

@silverton38 There's at least 2 threads on Nokia.. one is in the Coffee shop, the other might be the tail end of a long thread in the Smarthome section. there might be more mentions, the news hit around before the end of July

[silverton38]

I will check it out.

 

[Brian H]

UDI has posted.

If they are not given the proper information. To have an ISY994i properly control them. They will not be supported. Just existing Insteon modules.

[LFMc]

Nokia doesn't make, sell or distribute anything from Smartlabs. Smartlabs just licensed the name Nokia as their brand. 

 

[silverton38]

13 minutes ago, LFMc said:

Nokia doesn't make, sell or distribute anything from Smartlabs. Smartlabs just licensed the name Nokia as their brand. 

 

I just preordered them from Nokia. I know Smartlabs make them but Nokia is selling them right now. I will try their hub if the ISY does not work but I suspect they will support it fast because there is not much of a stretch between these devices and other Insteon devices. I think the switch and dimmer might work out of the box but the 4 switch (Kepadlinc) style switch will not.

[lilyoyo1]

15 hours ago, silverton38 said:

I just preordered them from Nokia. I know Smartlabs make them but Nokia is selling them right now. I will try their hub if the ISY does not work but I suspect they will support it fast because there is not much of a stretch between these devices and other Insteon devices. I think the switch and dimmer might work out of the box but the 4 switch (Kepadlinc) style switch will not.

None of them are supported by the Isy. While they will add as an unsupported device, you will not receive device status from them or change modes ie: the dimmer will not be able to become a relay and the relay will not be able to become a dimmer. You can send basic commands from the Isy but that would be it. 

Your suspicion would be incorrect. UDI has already stated their stance in regards to these devices and no, they will not be supporting them AT ALL without full documentation and support from smartlabs which will not happen anytime soon.

There is a much bigger divide between these devices and standard insteon devices than you realize. The only similarity between these and standard devices is how they communicate. UDI could reverse engineer the protocol for basic support. However without the API and access to insteon servers, most of the differentiating features would be left out

[larryllix]

I wonder how Nokia can get all the ICs they need but Smartlabs can't.

[lilyoyo1]

41 minutes ago, larryllix said:

I wonder how Nokia can get all the ICs they need but Smartlabs can't.

Who says they can?

Additionally, larger companies typically have more buying power than smaller companies. It's why you'll see Amazon carrying stuff that your local dealer may not be able to get right now. 

[MrBill]

10 hours ago, silverton38 said:

I just preordered them from Nokia. I know Smartlabs make them but Nokia is selling them right now.

Check again who you pre-ordered from... From this page https://www.nokia.com/shop/en_us/smart-lighting/nokia-smart-lighting-keypad/ you click where to buy.  On the next page its says "Purchase from these retailers" and there is only one listed.  WHen you click the link your on a smartlabs site: https://nokia.smartlabsinc.com/products/nokia-smart-lighting-keypad

[lilyoyo1]

15 minutes ago, MrBill said:

Check again who you pre-ordered from... From this page https://www.nokia.com/shop/en_us/smart-lighting/nokia-smart-lighting-keypad/ you click where to buy.  On the next page its says "Purchase from these retailers" and there is only one listed.  WHen you click the link your on a smartlabs site: https://nokia.smartlabsinc.com/products/nokia-smart-lighting-keypad

I don't think he realizes it's more of a licensing thing than actual ownership

[silverton38]

As stated it is definitely Smartlabs that is making the devices. It has not stopped me from pre-ordering and I will use the new Hub if I have to.

[silverton38]

I do wish someone at SmartLabs had some brains and sent the information to Universal Devices considering that they have supported Insteon from well over a decade.

[lilyoyo1]

58 minutes ago, silverton38 said:

As stated it is definitely Smartlabs that is making the devices. It has not stopped me from pre-ordering and I will use the new Hub if I have to.

You will have to use their hub. I explained in an earlier post what happens with the Isy

[lilyoyo1]

57 minutes ago, silverton38 said:

I do wish someone at SmartLabs had some brains and sent the information to Universal Devices considering that they have supported Insteon from well over a decade.

There's a whole debate/discussion on another thread about this and the path they are taking at this time. It's not a lack of brains but a decision to take a different path

[Brian H]

If anyone is interested.

The link Mr Bill provided to the wall switch.

The specification information shows it has an FCC ID SBP WALL. The internal photos, external photos, tests and a uses manual are all listed and you can download them. As I have done.

I did not see a six digit Insteon ID on it but that doesn't mean it doesn't use one.

 

[lilyoyo1]

9 minutes ago, Brian H said:

 

I did not see a six digit Insteon ID on it but that doesn't mean it doesn't use one.

 

They have an ID and qr code that can be scanned

[MrBill]

42 minutes ago, Brian H said:

If anyone is interested.

The link Mr Bill provided to the wall switch.

The specification information shows it has an FCC ID SBP WALL. The internal photos, external photos, tests and a uses manual are all listed and you can download them. As I have done.

I did not see a six digit Insteon ID on it but that doesn't mean it doesn't use one.

 

Brian, If you go up a level the rest of the products are available to click into: https://www.nokia.com/shop/en_us/smart-lighting

[kclenden]

On 8/12/2021 at 6:32 PM, Brian H said:

I did not see a six digit Insteon ID on it but that doesn't mean it doesn't use one.

The top external photo (Photo 1) shows an Insteon ID.  It's directly below the QR code on the black portion of the switch to the right of the photo.

[Brian H]

Thank you. My old eyes missed it.

[LFMc]

Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, smells like a duck, must be a .... duck.  ?

[upstatemike]

On 8/12/2021 at 5:36 AM, lilyoyo1 said:

None of them are supported by the Isy. While they will add as an unsupported device, you will not receive device status from them or change modes ie: the dimmer will not be able to become a relay and the relay will not be able to become a dimmer. You can send basic commands from the Isy but that would be it. 

Your suspicion would be incorrect. UDI has already stated their stance in regards to these devices and no, they will not be supporting them AT ALL without full documentation and support from smartlabs which will not happen anytime soon.

There is a much bigger divide between these devices and standard insteon devices than you realize. The only similarity between these and standard devices is how they communicate. UDI could reverse engineer the protocol for basic support. However without the API and access to insteon servers, most of the differentiating features would be left out

I wonder how much control these devices will support through a voice assistant? If Alexa can control it Ninsteon must allow her (it) to create devices to work with. If these devices are able to be put into Alexa routines than they are available to be manipulated via an ISY. I use this method to interface LoRa and other things that do not offer an official API and it works surprisingly well.

I also notice there are no motion sensors, or sensors of any kind from Nokia. Apart from schedules or sunrise/sunset triggers what kind of automation can you actually do with this system?

I guess we will know soon. "Shipping late September" means the preorders should start going out no later than Thursday! 

[lilyoyo1]

2 hours ago, upstatemike said:

I wonder how much control these devices will support through a voice assistant? If Alexa can control it Ninsteon must allow her (it) to create devices to work with. If these devices are able to be put into Alexa routines than they are available to be manipulated via an ISY. I use this method to interface LoRa and other things that do not offer an official API and it works surprisingly well.

I also notice there are no motion sensors, or sensors of any kind from Nokia. Apart from schedules or sunrise/sunset triggers what kind of automation can you actually do with this system?

I guess we will know soon. "Shipping late September" means the preorders should start going out no later than Thursday! 

The devices work with Alexa and Google home. Homekit coming sometime soon as well as the motion sensor. They'll work with Alexa like any other device (don't use Alexa for automation so I can't say how deep). 

It's a basic app for general use. Outside of timer offsets, it allows for device configuration and schedules