Most of my keypads (2334-2s) are configured with the backlight off when the key is off, and the backlight bright when the key is on. However, the ones in the barn are configured to be dim when the key is off, and bright when the key is on so that I can see the buttons even when the lights are off. These were configured years ago under my ISY.

The minor issue I am having is that I do not know what backlight settings these keypads have. When I click on the keypad in either AC or EISY-UI, the backlight setting is 0/0, not whatever is currently set in the keypad. Querying the keypad doesn't update this. I assume that the bright/off keypads are 7/0 and the barn keypads are something like 7/1 or 7/2, but I don't know this for sure.

Is this by design or should the AC and/or EISY-UI display the current backlight setting? If by design, is there a way to determine the current backlight setting for a keypad? I can of course change the setting by trial and error to replicate the current setting, I was just wondering if there is a more direct route.

The backlight settings can vary between the KPL firmware versions. It's mostly trial and error to get your perferred settings

It appears that eisy-ui / admin console doesn't retain the backlight settings

Thanks, Techman.

After a little more searching on the forums and in AC, I did notice that the settings are retained in the "LED Brightness" settings at the bottom of the screen in AC. There is more information in https://forum.universal-devices.com/topic/33228-backlight-led-settings/ that proved helpful. I'm still not sure if the Backlight settings and the LED Brightness settings are setting the same thing, but using the LED Brightness settings seems to be more consistent and you can see what is actually set. The "LED Brightness" option doesn't appear to be present in the current version of EISY-UI, so this functionality might disappear with AC.

2 hours ago, DNewkirk said:

Thanks, Techman.

After a little more searching on the forums and in AC, I did notice that the settings are retained in the "LED Brightness" settings at the bottom of the screen in AC. There is more information in https://forum.universal-devices.com/topic/33228-backlight-led-settings/ that proved helpful. I'm still not sure if the Backlight settings and the LED Brightness settings are setting the same thing, but using the LED Brightness settings seems to be more consistent and you can see what is actually set. The "LED Brightness" option doesn't appear to be present in the current version of EISY-UI, so this functionality might disappear with AC.

Can you please attach a screen shot showing in AC and missing from eisy-ui. Then right click the node in the list > Configuration > NodeInfo (requires eisy-ui beta), similar in Admin Console.

@Javi

This is what he was referring to

eisy-ui only has the "Backlight" option, whereas the AC has backlight and LED Brightness for the KPL

In the AC Blacklight always shows 0/0, while LED Brightness shows the actual LED setting

Techman illustrated what I was describing. I don't have EISY-UI beta installed, so I can't see what is exposed by Node>Configuration>NodeInfo in the beta. If this screen shows what is currently set in the backlight/LED Brightness settings, then that would allay my concern.

Another minor wrinkle to these settings: By default, a new keypad comes in with the buttons off when the associated circuit is off and on bright when it is on. This would correspond to a backlight setting of 15/0. As discussed, the backlight setting in AC is 0/0. But interestingly, the LED Brightness settings are also 0/0 by default, even though the keypad is operating as 15/0. Setting the backlight setting to something else, say 15/3 does change the backlight, and is then reflected in the LED Brightness setting. Restarting AC makes the backlight setting dropdown revert to 0/0 but the LED Brightness setting remains at 15/3, so AC is not accurately populating the backlight setting but it is capturing it in the LED Brightness dialog box.

Resetting the keypad backlight to 0/0 as it was in the default doesn't reset it to default behavior. As you would expect, with 0/0 the button is off all the time. To get back to the default behavior, the Backlight/LED Brightness has to be set to 15/0. After this, the LED Brightness dialog box will reflect the 15/0 settings. Short of doing a factory reset, there is no way to get back to the default behavior with the LED settings showing 0/0. The keypad must have a default logic of 15/0 of there are no user overrides of the setting.

In AC, the backlight dropdown actually "sticks" for the rest of the AC session. If you set it on one keypad, the dropdown will stay where you selected it even when you go to a different keypad. This might be convenient if you wanted to set a number of keypads to the same setting, but it certainly isn't showing you what the selected keypad setting is. Restarting AC will revert the dropdown to 0/0. EISY-UI doesn't have this sticky issue since the backlight dropdown button doesn't show a value until the button is selected.

@DNewkirk , I'll start by saying that I'm using an ISY994 - things normally translate well, but there's always a caveat...

I interpret the "Backlight" dropdown as "command only". It has no knowledge of the current state of your devices. As you indicated, it does have "stiction" allowing you to set multiple devices to the same level.

For I2 KPL's. a query will return the backlight level of a device in D9 of a a "Extended Set/Get command - 2E" extended message . This will show the current setting of the actual device. The full sequence shown in the event viewer follows. The highlighted "09" being returned corresponds of an off level of 0 and on level of 9.

• Sat 09/19/2026 09:05:59 AM : [INST-TX-I1 ] 02 62 1C DF 01 0F 19 00

• Sat 09/19/2026 09:05:59 AM : [INST-ACK ] 02 62 1C.DF.01 0F 19 00 06 LTSREQ (LIGHT)

• Sat 09/19/2026 09:05:59 AM : [INST-SRX ] 02 50 1C.DF.01 53.BC.3A 2B F6 00 (00)

• Sat 09/19/2026 09:05:59 AM : [Std-Direct Ack] 1C.DF.01-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2

• Sat 09/19/2026 09:06:00 AM : [D2D EVENT ] Event [1C DF 1 1] [ST] [0] uom=100 prec=0

• Sat 09/19/2026 09:06:00 AM : [ 1C DF 1 1] ST 0 (uom=100 prec=0)

• Sat 09/19/2026 09:06:00 AM : [D2D EVENT ] Event [1C DF 1 1] [OL] [255] uom=100 prec=0

• Sat 09/19/2026 09:06:00 AM : [ 1C DF 1 1] OL 255 (uom=100 prec=0)

• Sat 09/19/2026 09:06:00 AM : [D2D EVENT ] Event [1C DF 1 1] [RR] [28] uom=25 prec=0

• Sat 09/19/2026 09:06:00 AM : [ 1C DF 1 1] RR 28 (uom=25 prec=0)

• Sat 09/19/2026 09:06:00 AM : [INST-TX-I2CS] 02 62 1C DF 01 1F 2E 00 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 D1

• Sat 09/19/2026 09:06:00 AM : [INST-ACK ] 02 62 1C.DF.01 1F 2E 00 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 D1 06 (00)

• Sat 09/19/2026 09:06:00 AM : [INST-SRX ] 02 50 1C.DF.01 53.BC.3A 2B 2E 00 (00)

• Sat 09/19/2026 09:06:00 AM : [Std-Direct Ack] 1C.DF.01-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2

• Sat 09/19/2026 09:06:01 AM : [INST-ERX ] 02 51 1C DF 01 53 BC 3A 16 2E 00 01 01 02 00 20 20 1C FF 09 C0 00 00 00 00

• Sat 09/19/2026 09:06:01 AM : [Ext-Direct ] 1C.DF.01-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=2, Hops Left=1

Changing the backlight to a max level of 7/15 results in the following (abbreviated):

• Sat 09/19/2026 09:07:51 AM : [INST-TX-I2CS] 02 62 1C DF 01 1F 2E 00 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 D1

• Sat 09/19/2026 09:07:51 AM : [INST-ACK ] 02 62 1C.DF.01 1F 2E 00 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 D1 06 (00)

• Sat 09/19/2026 09:07:52 AM : [INST-SRX ] 02 50 1C.DF.01 53.BC.3A 2B 2E 00 (00)

• Sat 09/19/2026 09:07:52 AM : [Std-Direct Ack] 1C.DF.01-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2

• Sat 09/19/2026 09:07:52 AM : [INST-ERX ] 02 51 1C DF 01 53 BC 3A 11 2E 00 01 01 02 00 20 20 1C FF 7F C0 00 00 00 00

The "LED brightness" button will show what the ISY "believes" the device back light "should be". It is based on a device Image retained in the ISY. It does NOT appear to respond to the device query. In other words, your actual device setting may be different. If they are different, a device restore should restore the ISY settings.

Thanks @Techman and @DNewkirk ,

I have repliacted added issue ID: /eisy-ui/issues/71

For the other Items @IndyMike is correct. The only values reported are in the property boxes at the top. Anything in a command is just default, although sometimes defaults are linked to a property value (init). This is one of the reason in 6.1.1 ( and in UD Mobile) the commands are grouped together without displaying a default until issuing a command. This prevents confusion with current state.