Confused on how to control KPL LED?

[ingeborgdot]

I don't quite understand the wiki on how to control the LED brightness of the KPL. Thanks.

[Michel Kohanim]

Hello ingeborgdot,

 

There's basically two cases: either your KPL supports this feature or it does not!

 

Most older KPLs (v 2A and below) do not support this feature. There has been reports of newer versions not supporting this feature either but we have not been able to verify.

 

Now, the backlight is the determined by two levels:

1. The level of the LED brightness when the LED is off

2. The level of the LED brightness when the LED is on

 

The confusing part is that #2 is a function of #1. i.e. whatever you do with #1 impacts #2 and unfortunately the only way to figure out what you need is by trial and error.

 

With kind regards,

Michel

[ingeborgdot]

I just got it a week ago.

[ingeborgdot]

It keeps saying request failed.

[oberkc]

Is it possible you have communication issues? Are you otherwise able to control it? Is the status accurate? In event viewer, level 3, if you send a command to the KPL, do you get any indication of failure?

 

You could also try running an extension cord to an outlet on the same circuit as your KPL. Use this to power your PLM. See if this solves your problem.

[ingeborgdot]

I do have an issue that I think I can solve but when I turn on the light that also is run by that KPL it does not light up the button any brighter than the original. When I turn it on at the KPL it lights up brighter. I can control it fine with my computer etc.

[LeeG]

What KPL button is involved and is the button turning On another Insteon device? That is, when you say you turn on the light controlled by the KPL button are you turning On a different Insteon device. If this is the case the KPL button does not come on automatically when the other device is turned On. You have to define a Scene where the other device and the KPL button are responders. Turn the Scene On and both the device physically controlling the light and the KPL button will light together. Of course if the button is the KPL load button (Main in 8 button mode or ON in 6 button mode) then the problem is something else.

[ingeborgdot]

Okay, let's see if I can explain correctly. In the kitchen I have switches on the south wall and at the other end of the room the KPL that has some of the buttons that control those switches. I need to be able to turn on and off from both places. When I turn on the lights from the switchlinc switch they turn on fine but the button on the KPL that corresponds with that light does not. If I turn on the light from the KPL the button lights up and the switchlinc on the other wall also lights up. Why does the KPL not light up when the switchlinc is turned on?

[LeeG]

ingeborgdot

 

Sounds like you defined a Scene where the KPL button is a Controller and the SwitchLinc is a Responder. The light (load) is connected to the SwitchLinc so when the SwitchLinc paddle is pressed On and Off the light turns On and Off. With the KPL button as a Controller of the SwitchLinc as a Responder when the KPL button is pressed On and Off the SwitchLinc responds by turning On and Off. This arrangement so far does not have the SwitchLinc as a Controller with the KPL button as a Responder. This is required to have the KPL button LED turn On and Off as the SwitchLinc paddle is pressed On and Off.

 

Insteon devices must be linked in both directions, known as cross-linking, for each device to stay in sync with the others actions. This cross-linking is very easy to establish with the ISY. Define one Scene, add both the SwitchLinc and the KPL button as Controllers of the Scene. The ISY assumes a Controller of a Scene is also a Responder if the device has responder capability. After the Scene information has been written into the KPL and the SwitchLinc, turning On/Off the Scene from either device will cause the other device to follow.

 

Lee

[ingeborgdot]

Okay, I am out to lunch. I forgot about a couple of things that I should explain much better if I can. Example: East Counter lights are on a main switchlinc, a remote linc, a KPL downstairs and a KPL in the kitchen. How should I set all of these up? On one scene? My problem has been it won't let me choose as a controller.

Example: West Counter Lights are on a main switchlinc, a remotelinc and a KPL.

Sink light is on a main switchlinc, a remotelinc and a KPL.

[oberkc]

If you want to be able to control the scene from all these devices, then create one scene to include all devices as controller.

 

My problem has been it won't let me choose as a controller.

 

What is "it"? What device will "it" not give you a choice to be a controller?

[ingeborgdot]

It is because I have too many scenes with them in it is the problem. It should be solved when I make one scene and put them all in it. I am still learning and you guys are great teachers. I just don't work with it enough to get real good at it.

[LeeG]

ingeborgdot

 

For the East Counter SwitchLinc, RemoteLinc button 1, KPL Downstairs button A and KPL Kitchen button A to all control and all show On/Off status in sync, define Scene A. Add East Counter SwitchLinc, RemoteLinc button 1, KPL Downstairs button A and Kitchen button A as Controllers of Scene A. Do not define any explicit Responders for Scene A. The ISY assumes a Controller is also a Responder. If any of these paddles/buttons is pressed all devices will respond in sync. The RemoteLinc button number and the KPL button letters are arbitrary. They can be any button number or letter you chose.

 

If the ISY will not allow any one of the above buttons/paddles as a Controller of Scene A it is due to the fact that a given button/paddle can be a Controller of only one Scene. A given button/paddle can be a Responder in many Scenes but can control only one Scene. This is Insteon, not ISY.

 

For West Counter SwitchLinc, RemoteLinc button 2 and KPL xxxx button B, define Scene B. Add West Counter SwitchLinc, RemoteLinc button 2, KPL xxxx button B as Controllers of Scene B. Again, no Responders explicitly defined for Scene B. All devices are assumed by ISY to also be Responders, if capable (RemoteLinc for example cannot be a Responder which the ISY takes care of automatically). Pressing any of these paddles/buttons will control all the devices in Scene B in sync.

 

I made some assumptions. If this is not the desired configuration please give specific details on switch names, button letters/numbers, etc. so we can work up another scenario.

 

Lee

[oberkc]

It should be solved when I make one scene and put them all in it.

 

As LeeG says, any single device can be controller in only one scene. Putting them all in one scene should solve your problem, but you will obviously have to eliminate some of the older and superfluous (I have always liked that word) scenes.

[ingeborgdot]

Yep, I will delete the older and superfluous ones.

[ingeborgdot]

Works.

[oberkc]

Nice!