Guest Posted December 19, 2007 Posted December 19, 2007 OK...I've done the upgrade to v2.6, and I can see how to program schedules to run X-10...but, I can't see how to dim the X-10. For an example, I want to turn my Daughters night light (lamp) on @ 10% and some exterior lights I want to turn on @ 100% and then dim to 50% later in the night. Doable? Quote
Michel Kohanim Posted December 21, 2007 Posted December 21, 2007 Hello HAS, Long time no see! I don't think this is possible with one command unless your Daughter's night light has a preset dim value of 10% in which case you could use the Preset Dim command. Otherwise, you can use Off and then repeat n number of Bright commands to get to 10% (depends on the light). With kind regards, Michel OK...I've done the upgrade to v2.6, and I can see how to program schedules to run X-10...but, I can't see how to dim the X-10. For an example, I want to turn my Daughters night light (lamp) on @ 10% and some exterior lights I want to turn on @ 100% and then dim to 50% later in the night. Doable? Quote
Guest Posted December 21, 2007 Posted December 21, 2007 Yep...he's back I can control X-10 in a off/on format, only. Using either the 'dim' or 'bright' will only turn the device ON, and repetitive 'dim' or 'bright' shows no results. Quote
DEGoodrich Posted December 22, 2007 Posted December 22, 2007 I do not know if this will help, but I had the same problem. For some reason I had no problems with X-10 on/off commands. The X-10 dim/bright commands did not seem to be getting through. I moved my X-10 controller to the same outlet as the ISY, then it started working. I still have problems if I hold the bright/dim buttons down though. It seem the the commands are sent too fast for the ISY to process. If I hold the button down the ISY gets very busy and sends nothing. when I release the button the commands are sent out. I am hoping to eliminate this problem with the new ISY. Then I can finally eliminate all of my X-10 stuff. Quote
IndyMike Posted December 22, 2007 Posted December 22, 2007 OK...I've done the upgrade to v2.6, and I can see how to program schedules to run X-10...but, I can't see how to dim the X-10. For an example, I want to turn my Daughters night light (lamp) on @ 10% and some exterior lights I want to turn on @ 100% and then dim to 50% later in the night. Doable? Has, I ran a quick test on the ISY Dim command. It does work, but it's probably a bit different from what you're accustomed to. The standard X10 Dim sequence is a mess (I'd like to use a more descriptive word but it would probably be bad form). It consists of an House/address code followed by a stream of bright/dim commands (ex: A1, bright,bright,bright,bright). The bright/dim commands are repeated continuously (no gaps) until the correct level is achieved. This command sequence is very hard on repeaters and prone to noise problems. The ISY output does not concatenate the "bright/dim" commands. It treats each as separate command with it's own House/unit code (see the example below). This sequence is far easier for receivers/repeaters to interpret. The down side is it takes a LONG TIME to transmit. The following is a test that I ran to check the X10 communication. The ISY triggers on a X10 A12 ON received from my CM15a. The ISY then turns on my lamp (100%) and executes 15 Dim commands (75%). From the log below, this took roughly 31 seconds to transmit. A standard X10 Dim sequence would take on the order of 4-5 seconds. I suppose we could ask the ISY folks to implement a DIM*n command, but to be honest, I avoid them because of the problems they can cause. I would much prefer the ability to execute an extended code direct dim. Hope this helps. IM ISY Trigger and Dim Sequence If X10 'A12/On (3)' is Received Then Send X10 'I1/On (3)' Wait 1 second Send X10 'I1/Dim (15)' Send X10 'I1/Dim (15)' Send X10 'I1/Dim (15)' Send X10 'I1/Dim (15)' Send X10 'I1/Dim (15)' Send X10 'I1/Dim (15)' Send X10 'I1/Dim (15)' Send X10 'I1/Dim (15)' Send X10 'I1/Dim (15)' Send X10 'I1/Dim (15)' Send X10 'I1/Dim (15)' Send X10 'I1/Dim (15)' Send X10 'I1/Dim (15)' Send X10 'I1/Dim (15)' Send X10 'I1/Dim (15)' Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') X10 Transmit sequence received by my CM15a 1007 12/21/2007 11:30:37 pm Receive I1 1008 12/21/2007 11:30:38 pm Receive I On 1009 12/21/2007 11:30:39 pm Receive I1 1010 12/21/2007 11:30:40 pm Receive I Dim 5 1011 12/21/2007 11:30:41 pm Receive I1 1012 12/21/2007 11:30:42 pm Receive I Dim 5 1013 12/21/2007 11:30:43 pm Receive I1 1014 12/21/2007 11:30:44 pm Receive I Dim 5 1015 12/21/2007 11:30:45 pm Receive I1 1016 12/21/2007 11:30:46 pm Receive I Dim 5 1017 12/21/2007 11:30:47 pm Receive I1 1018 12/21/2007 11:30:48 pm Receive I Dim 5 1019 12/21/2007 11:30:49 pm Receive I1 1020 12/21/2007 11:30:50 pm Receive I Dim 5 1021 12/21/2007 11:30:51 pm Receive I1 1022 12/21/2007 11:30:52 pm Receive I Dim 5 1023 12/21/2007 11:30:53 pm Receive I1 1024 12/21/2007 11:30:54 pm Receive I Dim 5 1025 12/21/2007 11:30:55 pm Receive I1 1026 12/21/2007 11:30:56 pm Receive I Dim 5 1027 12/21/2007 11:30:57 pm Receive I1 1028 12/21/2007 11:30:58 pm Receive I Dim 5 1029 12/21/2007 11:30:59 pm Receive I1 1030 12/21/2007 11:31:00 pm Receive I Dim 5 1031 12/21/2007 11:31:01 pm Receive I1 1032 12/21/2007 11:31:02 pm Receive I Dim 5 1033 12/21/2007 11:31:03 pm Receive I1 1034 12/21/2007 11:31:04 pm Receive I Dim 5 1035 12/21/2007 11:31:05 pm Receive I1 1036 12/21/2007 11:31:06 pm Receive I Dim 5 1037 12/21/2007 11:31:07 pm Receive I1 1038 12/21/2007 11:31:08 pm Receive I Dim 5 Quote
Algorithm Posted December 22, 2007 Posted December 22, 2007 Thanks for the log, Indy; good information. It would help greatly if the guys could remove the 'I 1' which precedes each 'I Dim' command. I don't know any of the exact details, but the next firmware version is supposed to have a lot of X-10 improvements. Quote
Chris Jahn Posted December 22, 2007 Posted December 22, 2007 The initial improvement to our X10 support is to allow a blank entry for either the unit id or command in both conditions and actions. This solves many of the current the limitations. e.g. Then Send X10 'I1/On (3)' Wait 1 second Repeat 12 times Send X10 'I/Dim (15)' So you would get ... 1007 12/21/2007 11:30:37 pm Receive I1 1008 12/21/2007 11:30:38 pm Receive I On 1009 12/21/2007 11:30:40 pm Receive I Dim 5 1010 12/21/2007 11:30:42 pm Receive I Dim 5 1011 12/21/2007 11:30:44 pm Receive I Dim 5 ... Quote
Guest Posted December 22, 2007 Posted December 22, 2007 Thanks for the tip, DEGoodrich! My programming was spot on, but the 'dim' command was not making it across the X-10 booster/repeater in the panel. Once I phased the PLM with the X-10 devices...it worked! Thank you everyone for the hand. I do not know if this will help, but I had the same problem. For some reason I had no problems with X-10 on/off commands. The X-10 dim/bright commands did not seem to be getting through. I moved my X-10 controller to the same outlet as the ISY, then it started working. I still have problems if I hold the bright/dim buttons down though. It seem the the commands are sent too fast for the ISY to process. If I hold the button down the ISY gets very busy and sends nothing. when I release the button the commands are sent out. I am hoping to eliminate this problem with the new ISY. Then I can finally eliminate all of my X-10 stuff. Quote
upstatemike Posted December 22, 2007 Posted December 22, 2007 I still have problems if I hold the bright/dim buttons down though. It seem the the commands are sent too fast for the ISY to process. If I hold the button down the ISY gets very busy and sends nothing. when I release the button the commands are sent out. I am hoping to eliminate this problem with the new ISY. Then I can finally eliminate all of my X-10 stuff. This does not sound like an issue with the ISY but rather a limitation of the PLM and Powerline translation in general. The PLM cannot listen and talk at the same time (nor can any other powerline interface that I am aware of.) If you have a continuous string of dims or brights I don't think anything can happen until the X-10 transmission is finished and the line is clear to send the Insteon stuff. Insteon and X-10 have different transmission windows but I don't think the PLM can switch from listening to X-10 to transmitting Insteon within the same AC cycle so as long as X-10 is tying up the PLM no Insteon can go out. I hope I am wrong about this but if it is the case then there is nothing that can be done within the ISY to solve it. Quote
Algorithm Posted December 23, 2007 Posted December 23, 2007 The initial improvement to our X10 support is to allow a blank entry for either the unit id or command in both conditions and actions. This solves many of the current the limitations. That's encouraging! Glad to hear it. Hope Bright/Dim triggers are also coming. Quote
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