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richmond has one purpose - make money - they don't see insteon as anything but a tool to be used to make money - i'm not condemning that i am wondering if richmond brought in that new ceo or if the ceo brought in richmond for the cash infusion https://www.cepro.com/news/insteon_smartlabs_acquired_ceo_powerline_home_automation_richmond_capital/ they are on the esg train What We Believe Impact Investing. We believe that credit analysis is most effective when integrating fundamental quantitative and qualitative credit research with Environmental, Social and Governance analysis. As a value manager in the investment-grade fixed-income sector, in-depth research allows our talented investment team to make successful long-term investment decisions. for the 'fixed income' investors from their history Our firm is now 100% owned by 14 active investment, client service, and operations professionals. Decades ago, leadership took the firm private, believing they could closely align their interests with those of clients by becoming independent. Our growth and success since then is a direct result of that decision. http://www.richmondcap.com/ new ceo - $7.3 million infused - lights out - interesting

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and i posted the first removed 2 brain tumors today - stopped and served lunch at the soup kitchen - rescued a drowning 2 year old and climbed a tree to help a stranded cat now to help you - read your posts objectively got to run - an old lady needs help crossing the road

obviously i do not stay abreast of insteon - portable usb adapter - sounds like the commands are repeated in rf and powerline "The single-band interface sends and receives radio frequency (RF) Insteon signals. If you are trying to control power line only devices you must have at least one Access Point or dual-band Insteon product for communication. For best Insteon network performance, be sure you have properly installed at least two dual-band Insteon products."

wonder if a device gets a rf command - if it repeats it on the powerline too

inc shartlabsinc dot...

thanks mr b - i never dug into the protocol - wondered if it was more akin to udp or if it provided acks - had integrity checks - etc

wonder if all that developer stuff sharthome had is available online somewhere...

i posted trying to think through if a nokia dimmer could be provisioned manually as an insteon dimmer with that provisioning, the device would be seen by the isy as an insteon dimmer - what happens if a 'dim the light bar led indicator to 60%? - probably nothing - what happens if the isy sends a dim command to the dimmer? it would probably dim - and probably could be included in scenes as a dimmer i am looking for the flaw in my theory

my mind works differently - i think i stepped back too far - trying to understand the components - i don't want a nokia hub even if it would accept insteon devices - i would like to be able to replace a failed dimmer if necessary - trying to think through if a nokia dimmer could be provisioned manually as an insteon dimmer my guess is that smartlabs did not completely reinvent the wheel for nokia (it did not for best by broan) packet delivery - powerline and rf (same frequency) - that is not proof but does not exclude the possibility frame format - always whined about a powerline sniffer - wireshark - whatever - but there is someone that posted here on a sniffer for rf frequencies - super cool - be interesting to see that those nokia put out addressing scheme - i think someone said "The top external photo (Photo 1) shows an Insteon ID." hopefully hex command set - who knows but its probably the same - maybe enhanced data representation - ebcdic? - ok - probably safe to assume ascii but assumptions can make... my guess is that it would work - NOT that udi is endorsing that - just my guess no - it does not make a plm appear to know this - nor would it make other nokia devices work - my guess is that if someone has a working setup and has no replacement dimmers - or needs to add a dimmer or on/off switch - it would be welcome news i have no inside info but in my opinion, sharthome has always been a disreputable company - but while i am no fan of nokia, i don't have that same opinion of them - my guess is that they did their due diligence before jumping into bed with shartlabs - and the devices will be made available in my pointy head - my question was relevant

made a bad assumption - Supply Voltage 120 VAC +/- 10%, 60Hz single phase

they do now (sorry - still aggravates me that the first generation devices were not dual band) my point is - how does the hub send its signal on the powerline - the interface to the powerline - if it uses an external power supply signal from hub ---> through transformer (?) to powerline?

looks to use an external power supply - can it talk through that to the powerline?

i don't see anywhere to plug in a plm on the nokia hub

wifi supports qos be interesting to see what the constraint is on these 'routers' also be interesting to know how many people with lots of ha devices that don't have at least one access point - especially when they are streaming 4k video

i had the first alert with smoke bridge - liked that all of them announced the location dumped that for the first alert zcombo - which do not announce the location - so i have all the echo devices announce the location - and send me a text from the isy - and do some lighting stuff i do have elk so i will some day look into changing again

thanks for the replies

i like the approach matter is undertaking - modular and leveraging existing standards - setting a framework for products to use that allows interoperability ip - addressing is done - standardized - assigned - ip does not care if the payload is insteon or a voice or a porn movie packet structure is done - all the details of packet assembly/disassembly - reliability - delivery - integrity the physical media for delivery can be radio or electrical or light - i read the standard is expanding to include carrier pigeon next year this proprietary mesh radio crap - i'm over it - though ip traffic could be delivered over it - but i admit, sonos does a good job with theirs - cellular is radio too - isps are delivering internet via 5g - wonder if that might extend to devices on a home network someday - if you are streaming 4k video over wifi, you need to rethink that electrical can be powerline or ethernet cable - ir or fiber for light dhcp works - let wifi choose the channel - add a scope if you need more addresses if your isy is on your internet network - your insteon is already on the internet too elon musk is not a god nor is apple satan routers are not involved unless you are sending to something cloud based - such as alexa - i have not heard of a cloud based controller - the traffic is minimal and would not be the straw that broke the camel's back of your router traffic between devices on your home network does not involve a router - the confusion here might be the word switch - a network switch is not a router nor a light switch there is a difference between delivering packets between devices and a broadcast - ethernet is not the old cdma ethernet of its birth with ip, we have wireshark instead of the guessing game and the 'add more devices' advice is eliminated - as is the 'the carbon brushes in your mixer is trashing your powerline' as i understand it, without a phase coupler and filter, insteon commands bridge phases in your home at the transformer - you are sending your traffic through all the homes serviced by that transformer - if it matters insteon (or z-wave) - the terms we use - encompasses several functions - ip delivers packets - insteon does too but as referred to here, involves the command set and such too - decoupling those functions is a good thing - with the isy, i see the resources made available and have a common interface to communicate with them - even though they use disparate commands - if lutron wanted to provide a polisy node and hardware, they could - i imagine ud's job would be much easier if they had a common packet format, addressing and delivery mechanism i can control the volume in my car by wagging my finger in the air - thought i needed a car that does that - i was wrong - its a parlor trick that no one on the planet needs same is true for home automation - i don't need to connect operation of my thermostat and sonos - the isy has made it possible to rethink what i want automation to do - i control the thermostats with alexa - routines added discrete meaning to 'the lights' - took a long time to realize that home automation is mostly about making it easy to do what you want to do - not guessing what someone wants to do and doing it for them - i don't need a straining for a bowel movement scene - the timing could vary wildly can't say i enjoy driving my car - obsessing over the 42nd seat position setting and if the heated arm rest setting should be higher or lower than the seat back setting - far too focused on the technology rather than enjoying the drive - same is true for home automation - if you are turning on a ceiling fan 93 seconds after the heat turns off, that borders on wagging a finger parlor trick - just my opinion and one more opinion - more of an observation - about me - i cringe when reading about the peasant class of home automation and the nobility of the high end - its something i can live with though yes - i know i am obnoxious but a hecks lot more fun to drink beer with than a contrarian

writing effective documentation is not a strength of most nerds - you need to put yourself in the position of your audience - and the audience here can be an experienced nerd or a casual user nerds generally skip steps - quite innocently - because its not easy to not know what you already know (worked for rumsfeld)

not sure it matters - but were the devices added to the isy before or after installing 5.3.4?

with a generac - will insteon play nicely with one? from their site True Power™ Technology delivers best-in-class power quality with less than 5 percent total harmonic distortion for clean, smooth operation of sensitive electronics and appliances.

if you have the elk security module... i hardwired a bosch to my elk security system

thanks sw - i have to understand the concept of how something like this works - makes troubleshooting possible for me i kinda missed the poly revolution - i don't visit often - dropped in to see what was going on with insteon when i tried to order a device and saw the scarcity - and to see if there was a new software release - having some challenges with some iblinds - z-wave - it does not like me i did have polycloud - played with ecobee, sonos, ring doorbells and a weather node - i saw the nodes show up in my isy, and one day saw that i could use those resources in programs - the doorbell can turn on the outdoor lights if it detects motion - perfect - i wanted a motion sensor in the front but was resigned to doing what i did in the back - elk wired motion sensor after thinking a long time - it started to hit me what the node applications were - kinda gives me a single pane of glass to manage disparate hardware in an interface i am familiar with - someone ELSE did the hard part for me this is great news - i tried insteon thermostats, motion sensors and water detection and never satisfied - with poly, i can set an ecobee thermostat, start playing tunes on sonos and turn on an insteon light when i cross a gps boundry - not that i do that kinda stuff - but i could the isy interface with echo was the best thing ever though - no formulaic speech needed especially since the routines now give us the lights for each device - i begged for some kinda location awareness of each echo - now 'turn off the lights' means something different for each echo - (and the alternate names for resources in the portal is great - i heard alexa say 'i could not find damn lights' - realized it was my 95 year old mom trying to turn off the den lights - now damn lights or den lights - either will work with a southern drawl) thanks for helping me get the concept gelled in my pointy head - ima get a polyhomedevice one question though - from my reading - i can use the box with my existing isy? sounds like eventually the isy functions will be moved to the home poly box - but i'd like others to deal with the birthing pains

i do perceive the world through my lens - its the correct lens that everyone should use *snicker* sorry i misunderstood the work router - i took the term as something that performs routing functions - the box provided by an isy will generally provide that function but also wifi and switch functions - should provide a firewall function too delivering packets between devices on the same network does not need the router function not much is reliant on a static ip address - there are address resolution lookup functions - open a command prompt and type in 'arp -a' - then 'nslookup ' and one of the ip addresses listed - protocols like ethernet use mac addresses - if a home automation device cannot another device on a network without hard coding addresses, you don't want that device devices on a network do not need to know the address of every other device - they only need to know who to ask where a device is - my pc does not need to know the address of the tivo dvr - gratuitous arp - blah - whatever words need to have meaning - misunderstanding can happen and here is was not catastrophic - i learned what you mean when you say router but i think before declaring existing technology incompatible for delivering home automation packets, you need an understanding of the technology - i am certainly no routed network geek - nor a z-wave geek - nor an insteon geek - insteon kept their details close to their vest i think its finally gelled in my mind where ud is going - i was again a victim of misunderstanding the meaning of words poly - i think this refers to language - agnostic - c - java - whatever - seems like i read that somewhere - but its all running on that unix stuff - shudder - unix types and their greppin - turn your back on them and they might just grep your backside - one day i have to learn something about unix the polywhatevers ud gave us a practical way to manage insteon - the isy - and expanded to handle z-wave - it could be unending trying to support all of the devices and protocols out there - i think the node server phrase is what was throwing me off - now device handler - i'd have grasped that - and grepped it too - they are giving us a unified interface to handle tons of stuff - gave us the framework for others to develop a device handler and present it to me to manage in something like a single pane of glass - the underlying hardware and protocols are for the developers - i just have to use the isy's interface to be master of it all - or maybe not and it sounds like even the isy's interface will be migrated to be a polynode thingy - still trying to get a grep on the concept i just know when i read his 'move over iot - old news - make room for silos' white paper - or something like that - i was way outta my league