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The only way would be to disable the normal 4am query and build your own scene with only the devices you want queried and a program to query that scene at 4am. -Xathros Use EXTREME caution if you choose to do this. With a user made scene for the purpose of Query, devices that are controller only will be added to the scene as a controller. IE, an IOLinc sensor node would control all the other devices in the scene if it were to turn on. Same for triggerlincs and the like.

For some light reading... viewtopic.php?p=69560#p69560 May be related

I think I am going to call this a bug report: See discussion viewtopic.php?p=67295#p67295 for all details. I have been aware of this issue for some time, but due to a new program it has become a problem for me and I am not sure it has been addressed in subsequent betas as I am not on them. If an IOLinc relay is in a scene with reverse function via the on level being at zero, the relay functions as expected on scene operation; however, the ISY's awareness of this action is incorrect and as a result the status in the ISY will be incorrect.

ergodic, I know this is off topic, but I thought I would mention it here. Philips has developed a LED product line called Dimtone that warms up as it dims to match incandescent. I do not know if they have an MR16 yet, but might be worth investigation.

Or you could put that $160 toward LED bulbs instead of Flos. Great if it gets cold in the shop, and much more energy efficient. No filters, plugs, etc required... http://store.earthled.com/collections/l ... I1O5r_Npyc

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Sounds like maybe the ISY cannot hear the 6 button KPL when the lights are on. Open Admin Console>Event Viewer Turn lights on, try to turn lights off with 6 button KPL. See if the ISY can hear the KPL by looking for entry in the 'Event Viewer' I had a lamp in the living room that I could always turn on, but not off. It was a flo that was going bad. Switched to LEDs and have not had a failure since.

You are going to have to explain this. I had assumed that the button on the 6 button KPL related to the lights was a controller for said scene. If that is not the case, and the ISY is involved in this event directly (not just an observer) please explain why the signal has to go to the ISY and then return. Further, I do not think the log is what you want. It shows status changes, but not traffic. What you want is the event viewer. See the wiki article for details. The wiki is easy to get to as there is a link in the 'Help' section of the Admin Console that links there. Finally, I think while you are at the wiki, you should also investigate 'Scene Test'.

Florescent light in shop? You can view the log without Excel, just say no to open with excel and you should be able to save log as a .txt file. If I had to make a guess based on the factors you listed, the circuit the 6 button KPL is on is far away and on a different phase than the lights. When you turn the lights on the attached load is causing enough noise or absorption to interfere with the module hearing the off command from the 6 button KPL. Try connecting an incandescent test lamp instead of the current load to the module and then see if you can turn it on and off from the 6 button KPL

Personally I would stick with an iPod or iPad with the app of your choice running on it. There are several nice in wall mounting plates that provide constant power so you do not need to remove the device for charging. Plates for iPods run about $250, for iPad about $500

Interrupt the aux heat wire coming from the t-stat. Leave the Aux Heat wire connected to the terminal from the outdoor unit. That is where the call for Aux Heat during a defrost cycle will come from. As the others have said, never interrupt that! Not great for your equipment, and kinda uncomfortable.

Here is a really simplified version of one that would function all the time, not just for pre-heat Aux Heat Temp Monitor: If Module 'Climate' Temperature > 38 °F Then Set 'Garage / Aux Heat Enable-Relay' Off Else Set 'Garage / Aux Heat Enable-Relay' On And here is a really simplified pre-heat type program. I just made this up real quick to give you some ideas, mine are much more complicated: Pre-Heat Cabin: If - No Conditions - (To add one, press 'Schedule' or 'Condition') Then Disable Program 'Aux Heat Temp Monitor' Set 'Garage / Aux Heat Enable-Relay' Off Set 'T-Stat' 75° (Heat Setpoint) Wait 6 hours Run Program 'Pre-Heat Cabin' (Else Path) Else Enable Program 'Aux Heat Temp Monitor' Now the problem with the really simplified Aux Heat Temp Monitor is that every time the ISY polls the weatherbug info, it is going to run the then or the else, so we will be sending tons of commands to that IOLinc. No good, so I actually do this with 4 programs as follows. These are actually copies of some of my programs so there are references to the parent folder which gets enabled or not based on other stuff. Aux Heat Disable: If Folder 'Auto Aux Heat Inhibit' is True And Module 'Climate' Temperature >= 32 °F Then Run Program 'Aux Heat Disable Action' (If) Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') Aux Heat Disable Action: If Status 'Garage / Aux Heat Enable-Relay' is not Off Then Set 'Garage / Aux Heat Enable-Relay' Off Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') Aux Heat Enable: If Folder 'Auto Aux Heat Inhibit' is True And Module 'Climate' Temperature <= 29 °F Then Run Program 'Aux Heat Enable Action' (If) Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') Aux Heat Enable Action: If Status 'Garage / Aux Heat Enable-Relay' is not On Then Set 'Garage / Aux Heat Enable-Relay' On Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') The parent folder I have all these in gets disabled by my pre-heat program so none of them run while in pre-heat regardless of how cold it is outside. No aux heat in pre-heat ever in my system. I hope this helps you.

It is cheap cable. Buy it. First, it will be rated to be installed in walls. (jacketed) Second, it will be solid core, making the connection to the equipment and IOLinc easy. Third, if this is also an AC unit: Get 4 conductor wire instead of 2 (18ga). Run the other two wires to the input of the same IOLinc. At the unit, connected those wires to a readily availble, inexpensive, and easy to install HVAC pan float switch. Should the pan ever back up with water, you get an email after setting up said program in the ISY. Yes, between common and NC. I would love to post my pre-heat program, but I am not the right guy to ask that of. Climate control is one of the most advanced and complicated things my ISY controls. I have over 250 interrelated programs for my indoor climate control. I did go to my programs to see what I could easily translate here for you, but alas, all my programs like pre-heat are just a series of calls to other programs at the proper moment when the if is met. Most of those programs called also call other programs. I have no easy way to put it here without posting dozens of programs, maybe even a hundred. Sorry.

Exactly. And do not get hung up on just breaking the line. I put my IOLinc in a convenient spot, then ran two conductor wire to the air handler. Then inside the air handler I just pull the aux heat wire off the terminal, connecting it to one of the two conductors. The other conductor is then attached to the terminal on the unit. It makes a nice long switch loop so you can put the IOLinc wherever it is easy to run the wire and have an outlet.

The ultimate solution, which is what I have done. In a conventional 24V Heat Pump, the aux/emergency heat is called by the t-stat. I just put an IOLinc in that line, breaking the t-stat's direct connection to the HVAC System. The IOLinc is normally closed, allowing the t-stat to call heat strips when it wants to. Then when I run the 'Pre-Heat' program from within the ISY, the ISY opens this IOLinc and sets the t-stats to my target temp. The T-Stat of course calls for both mechanical and resistance heat, but the resistance heat call never makes is to the equipment. This method has the added advantage of instituting an outdoor temperature limit for the resistance heat. Through an ISY program, this IOLinc is opened any time the outdoor temp is above X (per weatherbug data). This way, even when I manually raise the temperature, I only use mechanical heat if there is enough energy in the air outside that it makes sense to just wait a bit longer for the room to warm up and save all that electricity.

I dim all my keypads each night, and brighten them the next day. Max Bright: For a KPL V.39: On 15 / Off 7 (Backlight Level) For a Dual Band KPL v.40: 100% (Backlight Level) For a Switchlinc Dimmer v.38: 0% (Backlight Level) For a Switchlinc Dimmer v.40: 0% (Backlight Level) For a Switchlinc Relay v.3A: 0% (Backlight Level) For a Dual Bank Switchlinc v.40: 100% (Backlight Level) And to make them as dim as possible: For a KPL V.39: On 0 / Off 0 (Backlight Level) For a Dual Band KPL v.40: 0% (Backlight Level) For a Switchlinc Dimmer v.38: 1% (Backlight Level) For a Switchlinc Dimmer v.40: 1% (Backlight Level) For a Switchlinc Relay v.3A: 1% (Backlight Level) For a Dual Bank Switchlinc v.40: 0% (Backlight Level) Programs: Switch Backlights Day (Enabled): If From Sunrise - 29 minutes To Sunset + 29 minutes (same day) And Program 'Away Flag' is False And Program 'Keypads are Dim' is True Then Run Program 'Backlight level Bright' (Then Path) Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') Switch Backlights Night Bright (Enabled): If From Sunset + 30 minutes To Sunrise - 30 minutes (next day) And Program 'Away Flag' is False And Program 'Keypads are Dim' is True And ( Status 'Bathroom / Bathroom Shower Light' is not Off Or Status 'Bathroom / Bathroom Track Lights' is not Off Or Status 'Bathroom / Bathroom Vanity' is not Off Or Status 'Livingroom / Livingroom Lamp' is not Off Or Status 'Office / Office Desk Lamp' is not Off Or Status 'Office / Office Hutch Lights' is not Off Or Status 'Office / Office Light' is not Off Or Status 'Livingroom / Livingroom Mantle' is not Off Or Status 'Livingroom / Livingroom Overheads' is not Off Or Status 'Livingroom / Fireplace' is not Off Or Status 'Livingroom / Ent Center Lights' is not Off Or Status 'Kitchen / Kitchen LEDs' is not Off Or Status 'Kitchen / Back Porch KPL' is 30% Or Status 'Kitchen / Kitchen Fan-Light' is not Off ) Then $SWITCH_BACKLIGHTS_BRIGHT = 1 Else $SWITCH_BACKLIGHTS_BRIGHT = 0 Swithc Backlights Night Dim (Enabled): If From Sunset + 30 minutes To Sunrise - 30 minutes (next day) And Program 'Away Flag' is False And Program 'Keypads are Dim' is False And Status 'Bathroom / Bathroom Shower Light' is Off And Status 'Bathroom / Bathroom Track Lights' is Off And Status 'Bathroom / Bathroom Vanity' is Off And Status 'Livingroom / Livingroom Lamp' is Off And Status 'Office / Office Desk Lamp' is Off And Status 'Office / Office Hutch Lights' is Off And Status 'Office / Office Light' is Off And Status 'Livingroom / Ent Center Lights' is Off And Status 'Livingroom / Fireplace' is Off And Status 'Livingroom / Livingroom Mantle' is Off And Status 'Livingroom / Livingroom Overheads' is Off And Status 'Kitchen / Kitchen LEDs' is Off And Status 'Kitchen / Back Porch KPL' is not 30% And Status 'Kitchen / Kitchen Fan-Light' is Off Then $SWITCH_BACKLIGHTS_DIM = 1 Else $SWITCH_BACKLIGHTS_DIM = 0 Wait Night Bright (Enabled): If $SWITCH_BACKLIGHTS_BRIGHT is 1 Then Wait 10 minutes Run Program 'Backlight level Bright' (Then Path) Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') Wait Night Dim (Enabled): If $SWITCH_BACKLIGHTS_DIM is 1 Then Wait 10 minutes Run Program 'Backlight level Dim' (Then Path) Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') Keypads are Dim (not enabled): If - No Conditions - (To add one, press 'Schedule' or 'Condition') Then - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') Backlight Level Bright (not enabled): If - No Conditions - (To add one, press 'Schedule' or 'Condition') Then Set 'Bedroom / Wake 3AM' On 15 / Off 7 (Backlight Level) Set 'Entry / Front Porch' 100% (Backlight Level) Set 'Livingroom / HVAC KPL' On 15 / Off 7 (Backlight Level) Set 'Livingroom / Livingroom KPL - On' On 15 / Off 7 (Backlight Level) Set 'Livingroom / Livingroom Mantle' 0% (Backlight Level) Set 'Livingroom / Livingroom Overheads' 0% (Backlight Level) Set 'Bathroom / Bathroom Shower Fan' 0% (Backlight Level) Set 'Kitchen / Back Porch KPL' On 15 / Off 7 (Backlight Level) Set 'Bathroom / Bathroom Vanity' 90% (Backlight Level) Set 'Bathroom / Bathroom Track Lights' 0% (Backlight Level) Set 'Bathroom / Bathroom KPL' On 15 / Off 7 (Backlight Level) Set 'Bathroom / Bathroom Shower Light' 90% (Backlight Level) Set 'Bathroom / Bathroom Fan' 0% (Backlight Level) Set 'Livingroom / Livingroom Fan KPL' On 15 / Off 7 (Backlight Level) Set 'Kitchen / Kitchen Fan KPL - Light' On 15 / Off 7 (Backlight Level) Run Program 'Keypads are Dim' (Else Path) Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') Backlight level Dim (not enabled): If - No Conditions - (To add one, press 'Schedule' or 'Condition') Then Set 'Bedroom / Wake 3AM' On 0 / Off 0 (Backlight Level) Set 'Entry / Front Porch' 0% (Backlight Level) Set 'Kitchen / Back Porch KPL' On 0 / Off 0 (Backlight Level) Set 'Livingroom / HVAC KPL' On 0 / Off 0 (Backlight Level) Set 'Livingroom / Livingroom KPL - On' On 0 / Off 0 (Backlight Level) Set 'Livingroom / Livingroom Mantle' 1% (Backlight Level) Set 'Livingroom / Livingroom Overheads' 1% (Backlight Level) Set 'Bathroom / Bathroom Shower Fan' 1% (Backlight Level) Set 'Bathroom / Bathroom Track Lights' 1% (Backlight Level) Set 'Bathroom / Bathroom Vanity' 0% (Backlight Level) Set 'Bathroom / Bathroom KPL' On 0 / Off 0 (Backlight Level) Set 'Bathroom / Bathroom Fan' 1% (Backlight Level) Set 'Bathroom / Bathroom Shower Light' 0% (Backlight Level) Set 'Livingroom / Livingroom Fan KPL' On 0 / Off 0 (Backlight Level) Set 'Kitchen / Kitchen Fan KPL - Light' On 0 / Off 0 (Backlight Level) Set Scene 'Scenes / Whole House / Keypad Dim Cleanup' Off Run Program 'Keypads are Dim' (Then Path) Wait 2 seconds Set Scene 'Scenes / Whole House / Keypad Dim Cleanup' Off Wait 30 seconds Set Scene 'Scenes / Whole House / Keypad Dim Cleanup' Off Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') What this series of programs does essentially is 10m after I have all the lights off like I would if I were going to sleep, it dims all the backlights if I am home. The scene 'Keypad Dim Cleanup' is a scene with all the KPL buttons in it so any that were left on get turned off so the keypads go completely dark. Well, almost all the KPL buttons, I left my nightlight button in the bathroom out of the scene so it stays illuminated so I can find it in the dark.

The power supply is rock solid. I had not considered excess voltage bleed off as heat by the ISY. I had assumed it would just use less amperage to function. If excess voltage is converted to heat to provide 5V internally in the ISY 5V would be the smart choice here.

If I have an external power supply, and I can choose my voltage, is their any compelling reason to choose one voltage over another? I have an adapter that can do 5, 6, 7.5, 9, and 12V. In my world, higher voltage is generally better due to reduced amperage need. Is that the case here. 12V seems like a nice mid-ground from the 5-30V rating of the ISY; whereas, the 5V selection is right at the minimum of the range, so it would seem to me that if there were any issues with the adapter... being a little further away from the minimum would be good. Thoughts?

Actually LeeG, I think I am still a little lost. If the IOLinc did not have an exception, and acted like all other devices, when turning the scene on, shouldn't it be correct. If I turn the scene on, the relay turns off, but again the ISY shows status of the node as on, when in fact it is off. This is with the fader for the relay node as off. Any other module that has its fader as off shows as off if I turn the scene on.

No. Latching. I guess this is becoming a feature request then. I will repost in feature requests unless I see a response from one of the UD guys here in the next day or so. As always, thanks for the speedy reply, LeeG. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I have an IOLinc relay's node in a few scenes. In one of these scenes I have the fader for for the relay at zero, so the operation of the relay is opposite that of the scene action. I am happy with the function but not the ISY's awareness of the IOLinc relay node. If I turn the scene off, the relay turns on, but the ISY lists the Relay as off unless I query the node. As the ISY knows that the fader is at zero in the scene, shouldn't it update status correctly? If I turn the scene on, the relay turns off, but again the ISY shows status of the node as on, when in fact it is off. If I have a lamp module at zero in a scene, and I turn the scene on, the ISY shows status of that module as off. Why should the operation of an IOLinc be any different? Am I missing something?

I have solved this issue. I built another scene, moved all the nodes to the new scene, and deleted the old scene. I suppose I should have left the problem scene in the ISY with no responders so the issue does not come up again when I create a new scene and the ISY re-uses that group ID #. Ah well, next time it comes up I will do that. Much easier to have abandoned scene in a holding pen than to reprogram the IR TX module!

No, not scene. In my experience, the only time a person has not had the Replace with option available in the contextual menu is when the device is in a sub folder. After right clicking on the device it should be right there under restore if the device is in the root folder of 'My Lighting' and there is a device in the ISY with which to replace it.

First remove the device from any folder it may be in.

Ouch. Not good news, but thank you for the explanation. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk