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Thank you. I have already upgraded to the PG3 Rainmachine version, so thats fine by me. PS as an aside when the PG3 work slows down with you @glarsen and @Jimbo I have already mentioned to Jimbo that I would like to discuss a possible new nodeserver. It could leverage the work done on your 2 node servers capabilities, to create a new one that would simplify what I am trying to do. Perhaps the merged one could just set a new value when actual usage exceeded expected, with adjustable parameters.... Hopefully you two could benefit from your work to market a new one Thanks again Steve

These look like fun. I can think of a number of uses I would like to try. I am going to buy a few to play with. When I click on your affiliate link it takes me to what looks like a news feed. How do I make sure you get the affiliate credit? Steve

@Jimbo I have added 2 issues to GitHub, hopefully in the proper place. If you don't see them let me know. Thanks Steve

Hi @glarsen Just following up on a post you made in my other topic, on detecting leaks using the rain machine and the flume node servers. I have both of these apps running on my Polisy using the PG3 version. I am successfully pulling the current flow from the flume side. I was wondering if you thought any more about adding the GPM flow rate by circuit to the Rainmachine side. It is the value called "total flow" that I input when defining zones. It is the last piece of info I need to get this up and running. My goal is, when I detect a circuit running, to take this value and compare it with the actual data ( after a startup delay ), that I am getting from flume. If I see consumption higher than (expected GPM from total flow plus some margin) to flag an error. I would really appreciate it you could add this. Thanks Steve

Up and running. Thanks again. Watched the numbers for 10 minutes while water was running and looks spot on.

THANK YOU for the quick response. I will try and test it today, after the second cup of coffee kicks in. Though I have a birthday in the house to deal with today, so I may not get it done until tomorrow. Being one who tries new things often, I have no problem running into glitches and with prerelease software. My goal is to get my project done, by the time I have to turn the sprinklers on next spring, so no pressure on you from me. The only reason I bought the Polisy is for this project and for a migration path off my serial PLM when it dies. I have a completely separate 994 still running the house, so no issues if the polisy crashes etc. I would be more than happy to be your alpha tester with the flume at my house, if it would be of value to you. I have muddled my way though ssh. Being a retired programmer/ network engineer ( think assembly language/ COBOL 50 years ago ) I can usually get things working. I am ok giving you remote access to my Polisy if that is possible/necessary. Let me know if there is anything I can do on that score. PS 2 random thoughts. 1) I would charge more for your node server. Say $15. As I think you know, Flume has now gone to a subscription service for their advanced features. 2) When things settle down with you I would like to discuss making modifications to your flume node server that would make it easier for my project. You have made some comments on my earlier posts regarding this. Perhaps maybe repackage it as a new special purpose node server. I am OK funding your effort for some reasonable amount. The cost of water out here is a killer and I can easily lose $10 to $20 each day I have a broken sprinkler circuit. Let me know your feelings on this. Thanks again Steve

Yes that is the only version I installed according to the instructions in bpwwer's post. I think you are right about everyone jumping on PG3. As I am sure you have seen, there have been a number of comments about no more work being done on PG2 stuff. Hence the rush in my mind. Also the fact that the portal is open and the PG3 apps are for sale would tend to suggest things are up and ready to go for us users. My 2 cents. Maybe the powers that be should explain our options, timelines, and the risks. As you may have seen in my previous post ( in the polyglot cloud server forum and questions and answers) I have a couple questions about using the flume app that I hoped might be fixed by doing the upgrade. I am trying to create, using ISY and node servers, a way to detect excessive water usage in my sprinkler system. Log file attached. Thanks for your help Steve FlumeWater_1-10-2022_115224_AM.txt

see below... I get a blank line for each time I click it. In the PG2 version, as I am sure you know, it had the required params I needed to fill in.

I just installed the PG3 version of the Flume node server. I had been running the PG2 version before. With the PG2 version there were fields required to get to my flume: client_id, client_secret....etc. These are not available in the PG3 version. So no way to define my flume. I uninstalled it and reinstalled with no change. Any ideas on what to do? See screen cap from the PG3 config screen. Thanks Steve

I am embarrassed. I did not realize that many years ago set mine to SF CA and the default is LA. Problem solved sorry to waste your time.

I currently run 2 versions of isy. One on a polisy and one on a 994. Both have sunset scenes. I noticed the polisy sunset scene was coming on at a different time than the one on the Polisy. I checked both sunrise and sunset through the admin console for each copy. They are different with the time on the ISY on the 994 being correct. @Michel Kohanim I thought you might want to know. Sunrise Sunset ISY on 994 7:24:xx 5:08:xx isy on Polisy 6:58:xx 5:00:xx

That is my problem. If you go to Forums Polyglot v3 Nodeservers (PG3), it says area for future discussion and you are not allowed to post there. I am not a developer but rather a customer so am not in the Slack discussions.

I have installed PG3 and installed my first node server. I have a question, as the configuration parameters that were available in the PG2 version are not there in the PG3 version. I see that we are not permitted to post questions in the PG3 forum yet. That is understandable, as it is not yet released. Where should we post questions for node servers that we have purchased? Thanks

disregard this Rebooting polisy fixed the issue

THANK YOU very much for the info and the quick reply. That did the trick. PG3 is up and running and connected to my Polisy. Steve

I recently upgraded the ISY version on my polisy to 5.3.0 with no problems. I just logged in to my polisy admin screen and noticed that it still shows 5.2.0. Everything seems to be running fine. Has anyone else seen this? Thanks See below

I would like to install PG3 on my polisy. I have seen the post on how to do this, but can't seem to login via ssh anymore. I am using the terminal window. I did it one time successfully. When I try now, I see the prompt from the policy followed by an icon that looks like a key. If I enter the password it rejects it. After 3 times I get permission denied message. See the login session below. I have looked in my apple keychain and see a polisy certificate. I tried deleting it but it made no difference except I could not login to my polisy via Safari. I know nothing about certificates etc so am at a loss as what to do. Can someone on a MAC suggest what to do next. All polisy updates are installed. Thanks

@Bumbershoot I will give it a try Thanks for the tip on names. I wondered how to do it. @glarsen@npavel Just found out how to get your attention via an ampersand. Please see my notes above to you both. Thanks

GLarsen I believe it would go a long way to making the ISY programming easier, if a new field was added to each zone that contained the GPM. Right now, as you mentioned, I currently manually enter the GPM by zone. If you could provide that value it would save me the duplicate work of setting up 21 ISY variables, one for each zone. I have 2 HD 12's with 21 zones active between them. Then in theory, correct me if I am wrong, I could have a program for each zone which 1) Check for status change to running 2) Check flume sensor after waiting for circuit to stabilize ( in my case 3 minutes is my worst case ) 3) if flume rate >= GPM from data provided by "rain machine new variable" + fudge factor 4) take appropriate action text email whatever. Thanks PS It would even be better to have a node server which which took the necessary functions from both flume and Rainmachine node servers. and combined them. I am not sure if you and Jimbo work together. In any case, I would be willing to support this effort with some money if need be.

@npavel Glad to hear that you rain machine folks are watching this thread. Hopefully the discussion you had in your meeting was a result of my input. In any case, if you have not seen it, I have my request documented in your forum titled "Ideas and product enhancements" entered Oct 5th. There is a similar request by Tim Frock dated Oct 20th. I took a look at the API ref you mentioned. It seems if each Rainmachine zone, in addition to the GPM that I define, could have a field for actual GPM it might be a start. You could get actual GPM from flume while the zone was running. I could then set a trigger for GPM "out of range". Just an outsiders thoughts. As mentioned above, see my entry in your forum. I go a bit further with my request ideas. Thanks

Thanks to ALL for your replies with the good information. It is appreciated. I am going to try and put a small test together and see what happens. I have plenty of time before serious watering begins next spring. My main concern, unless I am misunderstanding how the 2 node servers work, is that they are based on polling. So in order for this to work, I will need 1 minute polling set 24 hours a day for all 3 devices. i.e 2 rain machines and the flume. The amount of network traffic, both locally to my Rainmachines and remotely to Flume that this would generate concerns me. Am I misunderstanding something. My suspicion is, somehow I must have a push alert from Rainmachine which would trigger a query to flume. At first blush not knowing much about API's and taking a quick look at the 2 companies API's, I don't think they allow push alerts. Without this, I think the project is dead in the water. We will see what my test shows. I hope to get a hold of each node server developer and get their feelings. JimboCA and JIm Larsen please contact me if you are able too. I am willing to put some money toward this project. Our penalties in the drought can easily be $10 to$20 for each day I don't catch a leak. Thanks Jimbo above with Rachio and flume. I would interested in any more details of your experiment before your water meter got changed. Thanks again all

The Problem: I live in CA where we are having ongoing water issues. I have a large number of irrigation circuits, now mostly converted to drips. There are a few, however that have high usage rates ( 12- 15 gallons per minute ) for a short periods of time. I am running into many issues with the drip circuits being compromised due to dogs, wildlife etc. When this happens usage may go from a normal rate of 2 to 4 gallons a minute up to as high as 16 per minute. Drip circuits run a long time. We are now also being told to water only overnight when we are asleep. My Setup: I currently have a flume attached to my water meter. I manually look at each circuit the next day after it runs and compare its usage to what is “normal”. Setting Flume alerts does not work due to the few circuits where high usage is normal. Therefore some circuits may run a number of times, wasting a large amount of water, if I don’t get around to checking them for awhile. For over year now. I have been requesting that the 2 companies work together to add something like this. When Rain Machine turns a circuit on it notifies Flume. It would send the circuit name, run time, and expected usage in gallons per minute. All that info is stored in the RainMachine DB. The flume would monitor this and issue an alert if usage was out of some limit. There is a lot more that could be done but lets stick with this for today. I have had no success with either company. Hence this post. I recently purchased a Polisy for other reasons. I have it up and running along with the node servers for both Rain Machine and Flume. My Goal: I am trying to see if I can get any of this implemented using ISY and the node servers. I am new to this so please forgive me for any ignorance you see in my questions. Questions/Issues I see. It appears I would have to setup polling rates for both of the node servers to be every minute in order for this to work. One to see a circuit come on and two to get the right flow rate. I don’t think that is desirable for a variety of reasons. I only need this to happen for a few hours a day. Is it a reasonable request, to ask for the node servers to implement different time of day polling rates. For example, only between midnight and 4 AM when watering is happening. 2) RainMachine API side. a) is the status variable for each circuit reliable enough for this to work. b) is there any chance of getting the value in GPM for each circuit from it. c) I see that the node server can only connect to 1 controller. I have 2. I asked a question regarding this and was told that with polyglot v3 it might be possible to run 2 copies of the same node server which would fix this. Is this correct. 3) Flume API side a) Is it possible to trigger a Flume alert from a node sever. b) Can flume send alerts to a node server. 4) ISY side….. I am not an experienced programmer have done simple ones. a) Is this too big of a task to take on given the ISY programming available. I would need to setup 21 circuits. Each would have to have a field for expected and actual water usage. The 2 would have to be compared each time a circuit went on. Alerts would need to be sent when out of range. b) Are emails the only way to send alerts still. It appears so, from what I see. Ideally I want a push notification to my mobile device. 5) Should this maybe be done as its own node server? My gut feel says yes. a) I suspect there are API variables for each product, that I don’t know about, that would make this task easier. I also suspect the needed math and arrays would be easier to work with in a node server than in ISY. This is way out of my league. I would be willing to work with a developer to make this happen. I see that with V3 it may be possible for the developer to make money. If you read through all this thanks for your patience Steve

thank you for clearing up my misunderstanding. I'll try and be more precise in upcoming posts. The interconnections and module relationships are is still sinking into my head. Yes I now have 2 instances of isy running, on the Polisy and the i994. I deleted one device from the i994 and added it to the polisy version of ISY. All went well. I seem to have hit another deadend. I have 3 node servers installed. I may have some configuration issues with them yet to clear up, but they say running and connected. I have tried configuring my polyglot to connect to the version of ISY running on Polisy using its static ip address. When i run the admin console and connect to Polisy I see the node server option at the top. The node server slots are there but only 1 node server shows up. If I reconfigure the polyglot to point to the static address of the ISY copy on the i994, I do not see the node server option at the top of the admin console when I connect to the ISY. I have restarted both polyglot and the isy versions on each hardware platform Looking at my polisy dash board in each of the above cases, it appears to have made a connection. When connected to the polisy isy version it shows 5.2.0. When connected to the ISY on the i994 it shows version 5.3.2 . Any idea why I would have the node server option on the Polisy admin console and not with the i994 admin console. I have also cleared java cache and reloaded the admin software am using version 5.3.2 Thanks Steve

After a few bumps in the road, I think I am almost there. I have my Polisy up and running. It sees my ISY running on a 994i and connects to it. If I bring up the ISY launcher either local or Wan I see 3 entries now. My old ISY and 2 new ones for Polisy on secure and unsecure ports . If I enter the polisy ones I see entries for polisy and openADR. Under Polisy there are no ISY nodes. I have checked Insteon support in the Polisy support and rebooted. So my question... Should I be seeing my existing nodes in the polisy list or have I missed something. Do I have to add something like the node server ISY inventory for it to work. I have included a couple pics of my status windows below. Thanks Steve

I am just wrapping my head around the implications of the serialPLM disappearing along with a lot of other Insteon products. I have an Insteon only site with about 100 devices, 40 scenes and about 20 running programs. I will be stockpiling additional Insteon devices, if and when they become available, and hope to keep my site running for years into the future. It seems the only way to do this, given the demise of the serial PLM, is to migrate to ISY on Polisy. To this end, I have purchased 2 USB PLMs ( one for Backup). I will also be purchasing a POLISY Pro in the near future. At the moment, all is running fine however, I expect to start the manual migration next year. Before I go ahead and buy the POLISY, I have a couple questions. 1) From what I can tell there is no firm date on a migration tool, hence my plan to do it manually at a slow pace. Is it still true that a migration tool is not on the near horizon? 2) To do the migration manually, I think I need to keep, both my old ISY and the new ISY running on POLISY up and running at the same time. From what I can tell, there is no problem doing this. However I am a bit uncertain on what the steps are to migrate. Do I, one by one, delete a device, the scenes and programs it participates in, and then add it to the ISY on Polisy along with new scenes and programs? Are there any issues that might arise having 2 ISY's with 2 PLMs running on the same INSTEON network? 3) Currently I use moblinc X to control the house both locally and remotely. During the transition I expect to keep Mobilinc on the old ISY and run UD mobile on the POLISY. I am seriously considering moving to UD mobile and this would be a good time to compare them. Are there any issues in doing this I need to worry about. 4) If I have missed anything else please let me know. Thanks Steve PS I look forward to the new node servers and new options as I have a number of devices that are supported.