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!!!??? So the second light you supplied unswitched (direct line) power to the motion sensor only, feeding the switched power directly to the light. Did you not install the inlinelinc? I believe to incorporate insteon control of a fixture AND maintain motion control of that fixture, you will need in inlinelinc WITH sense. Given your inlinelincs, black wire connected to unswitched power, red to load, white to neutral. I don't believe there are provisions for a motion sensor.

I don't worry about relay status in the ISY. It has no impact on operation, in my mind. I understand the relay is a responder-only device, lacking the capability to broadcast status. Given this the ISY will display the status last known, which was usually that which was transmitted by the ISY or as part of a scene. It may, or may not, reflect actual status.

Teken...based on the original post, I understand the buzzing was from the "ISY component" (later explained as the blue ISY box). I have no explanation why the ISY, itself, would buzz. I still think your keypad button was originally configured in non-toggle-off mode. Is your sensor is controller of a scene, with the keypad button as responder? Is your keypad button controller of a second scene with relay as responder? Can you confirm momentary A mode for your relay? If answers to all these questions are yes, put your keypad button in non-toggle-off. I don't believe this is a wiring problem.

Is it possible that the KPL was originally configured to be in a non-toggle mode? What mode (latching, momentary A/B/C) is your IOLinc set? What is an ISY component?

I have experienced nothing with the ISY which would explain why latency would be inherently longer with on than with off. Communication issues can sometimes delay response, but I assume that is not the case here, since the communication environment is consistent. My question is how do you determine latency? What device is providing door status? Is it possible that your sense of door "open" is different than that of the door sensor? If you have a laptop or tablet, have you experimented with door position to determine when your sensor sends "on" and "off" signals?

It makes sense, but was not the intent of my question. I was wondering if the physical device that controls your porch lights are insteon-capable, or x-10 only. If they are insteon, then I suggest using insteon commands, rather than x-10, to control your porch lights.

I am not sure why you want to limit running the heater to 10 minutes. Is this simply to ensure you don't get a bunch of short cycles on the heater? I agree with apostolakisl that status may be a better option here. Most of his suggestions are good ones, and I believe this one to be no exception. I offer a simpler potential solution. It would work slightly different than apostalaksil's, but it may be good enough: If status 'Workshop Thermometer-Sensor' is On Then wait 5 minutes Set 'Workshop Heater' on Else wait 5 minutes set 'workshop heater' off This may not necessarily guarantee 10 minute minimum cycles, but it may be good enough for your purposes. Of course, you can adjust the time cycles to suit your needs. Larger times would give larger temperature swings between cycles.

That is the way I see it, also, based on my experience with two IOLinc/garage kits. You could experiment around with other modes, to see if the IOLinc responds at all.

yes, that makes sense. there is a "start linking" button when you are logged into the ISY, putting the ISY into linking mode. while in this mode, press-and-hold the upper button of the switchlinc. after a few seconds, it will beep, flash, and your ISY device listing should have your new (used) switchlinc. If you are new to all this, I suggest checking out the wiki. It will go through all these steps, and more.

My experience with these motion sensors is that they are NOT precision instruments. They are nice tools, but I would not rely on them in critical applications. It sounds as if your situation may be too critical for these devices. Since you understand the ability to extend the on-times (and only you can determine the proper time), the issue seems to boil down to the reliability of these sensors to detect motion. The only solution that I can think of would be to install muliple motion sensors and create an ISY-99 program to trigger upon any one of the sensor signals. While I am sure that there are better positions within a given room, I don't believe upsidedown will help. I also suspect that any single position within a room will have blind spots.

Let me restate the questions: How are you sending the "on" and "off" commands? From the ISY-99 admin panel? From the ISY, via mobilinc? Are you choosing the relay, itself, when you send the command, or the scene which includes the relay? Is there a controller in the scene that includes the relay?

Is the dimmer already added to the ISY? If so, does not the address show up when you select the device from the "my lighting" listing? If not added, then you must do so first.

Or use an ISY-99 program to control when the light goes out after detection of motion.

How are you sending this "on" command? From the ISY-99 admin panel? From the ISY, via mobilinc? Are you choosing the relay, itelf, when you send the command, or the scene? If you are selecting the IOLinc relay, itelf, you are sending "direct" commands. It is not the mere presence of a scene that matters, but whether the IOLinc is responding to a scene command from one of the controllers in a scene. Is there a controller defined in this scene, or is it an ISY scene with one device (the IOLinc) as a responder?

I think it is almost certainly the dimmer. This sounds a lot like the problem with some of the insteon devices with "sense", where they allow a small current through in order to detect when connected devices are turned on manually. Unfortunately, I don't think the switchlinc dimmer is one that has this capability, nor would I expect an incandescent rope light to exhibit this problem. I can only guess a failed device. This sure sounds like a strange failure mode, if this turns out to be the case.

This, I suspect, is why your lights come on, rather than your program ever working. The question that you may need to resolve is the difference between this scene, and the one called "Garbage Night". When you press keypad button C, it will initiate the scene for which it is a controller. The program would also immediately initiate another (or is it the same) scene. This seems like a recipe for complications.

Indeed I should have included this change.

I suspect you have several potential problems going on here. For the reason pointed out by LeeG, this program will never evaluate as true, which suggests that the lights came on for a reason other than the program working (under the program listing, I suspect you will see a status of "false"). Is button C part of any scene as controller? I assume your other program has the sunset-to-11pm condition, correct? Does the else path of this program turn the landscape lights off? If so, then I see nothing in this first program that would distinguish between the pre- and post- 11pm time frames when the 8-minute wait period expires. As written (and given these assumptions), I would expect the landscape lights to ALWAYS turn OFF after 8 minutes, whether before or after 11pm. So...in addition to LeeGs suggestion, I would suggest that your first program might be better as: If From Sunset To Sunrise And Control "Main hallway Keypad C" is switched on Then Set Scene "Garbage Night" On Wait 8 mins Run program "Landscape Lights" (If Path) << Else -No actions- A third potential problem is what happens if you decide to take out the trash less than 8 minutes before sunrise. While this may not be a practical problem, if it ever happens, the 8 minute wait period would be interrupted, the program would turn false, and the lights would never turn off.

There are a couple of examples on the wiki. There have been many threads on this, but sometimes they are hard to sort through. Try: http://www.universal-devices.com/mwiki/index.php?title=ISY-99i/ISY-26_INSTEON:Using_Motion_Sensors_in_Bathrooms I don't know that this will do what you want, but try breaking your program into two: If Status 'Bath Master' is Off And Control '4 Bath-Sensor' is switched On Then run next program (then path) Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') Next program: if then Set Scene 'sf Bath Master / sc Bath Master 40%' On Wait 2 minutes Set Scene 'sf Bath Master / sc Bath Master 40%' Off else

It is certainly possible. This is not the simplest of tasks, but not the most complicated, either (I suspect the use of variables to offer the most efficient solution here). I have not personally felt the need for such a program. Given the cost of a keypad, I found it more economical, and equally functional, to simply use an off-the-shelf solution from Lowes or Home Depot or similar places. The only benefit is see to using an ISY program is if you prefer the look of the keypad, or unless you desire some unusual time settings (such as 8 min 23 sec) not available from a standard wall timer. I also recall threads on this topic and, perhaps, a wiki article. You may find it valuable to search for these. A lot of folks are incorporating motion sensors and lights as a trigger for turning the fan on and off.

Thos is how I do it also, then use sunrise and sunset to limit operation during daylight hours. Sometimes clouds can make it dark early, but I have found this wholly adequate. Perfect! The only question I have is why you contine to use A4? Is the switch for your stagecoach lights x-10 only, not insteon? in case you were unaware, the eagleeye uses two x-10 addresses. In your case, a-11 for motion, and one higher (a-12) to send a-12 on when dark and off when light. You may notice these commands if you watch your evevt viewer. i like the way you did it.

Good. Regarding the motion sensor program, I am hoping my earlier suggestions gave you some thoughts on how to proceed. I also hope you were able to check in the wiki and get an idea of the various considerations that on has on how to handle this. If all you want is to turn a light on for a few minutes at the sense of motion, it is relatively simple. The complexities begin when folks start realizing that such a program overrides manual control and they loose the abililty to leave the light on indefinitely. I suggest you ponder the exact details of how you want yours to work and write them down. In my opinion, it seems folks don't think enough about what they want before trying to come up with a solution, only to spend a lot of time on programs that are never used because the program did not do what they wanted because they did not know what they wanted until after the program was written and....on and on. Most of all, have fun with this stuff.

Are these not the same versions?

Unable, or did not know? My suggestion is to start with this simple program and see if you can get this to work. Then try the motion sensor program. Sure it does. It also sounds like you are still in the conceptual stage. Do you have a sensor on the garage door, wired to the EZIO6I. Have you added these to the ISY-99?? Unfortunately, my familiarity with the Mobilinc is conceptual only.

First, I suggest checking out the wiki and look at the examples for motion sensors. This is a pretty classic example for programming. Also, much electronic ink has been expended on various threads. It is worth time looking at this. Second, clarify what you WANT your programs to do. Do you want your motion programs to work based on darkness or sunrise/sunset (can be different). Do you want your garage lights to come on/off based on darkness, or sunset/sunrise? Can you change the behaviour of your motion sensor to send motion-triggered signals regardless of dark conditions? (Is you motion sensor one of those eagle-eye devices?) Third, it would help to know what devices control your various lights. Is it a single insteon switch that controls garage stagecoach lights? Is it a single insteon swtich that controls front stagecoach lights? Are all your devices added to the ISY-99? Are any of these switches part of any scenes? Assuming the most simple possibility with regard to your garage stagecoach lights, have you tried any programming at all? Would something simple work (note there is no need for any X-10 input here): if from time is sunset to sunrise (next day) then set stagecoach lights on else set stagecoach lights off The motion sensor/front lights would be typcially achieved with two programs, with logic something like: if from sunset to sunrise (next day) and x-10 motion sensor address A1 on recieved then run timer program (else path) else if then set front stagecoach lights on wait 2 minutes set front stagecoach lights off else Based on your description of your third program question, it would conceptually be little more than: If control EZIO6I is set on then set appliance module on else