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I agree with the others...if you believe that the primary purpose of insteon and the ISY is to turn your phone into a light switch, you have missed the point. A properly designed house already has light switches in all the right pkaces, no? The power of the ISY is the ability to design a system where one does not have to turn on the lights at all, or turn them off. Alternatively, to provide one-touch activation of scenes....thus, the "automation" part of things. -lighting that comes on and off by itself, at the correct times. -scenes for various activities...movies, parties, wake-up, midnight snack, vacation, dinner, nighttime, etc... -lighting that reacts to events, such as arriving home, opening doors, playing a movie, or motion -simulation of activity while away -control of seasonal lighting In my mind, these are the basics of home automation and are completely independent of cell phone control. The deeper possibilities are, to me, a sales point only as a growth path for the future.

There are no subroutines, per-se, but one can call other programs from a program statement. Programs, individually, are IF-THEN-ELSE. I expect no problem creating a program that would accomplish your goals. If your current program forces a device to revert to a prior state, then I suspect your program is more complicated than it needs to be given your stated objectives. A simple program such as: If Time is from midnight To noon (next day) Then Turn on lights Else Turn off lights Would accomplish exactly what you describe.

I have two of the harmony hubs. No problems regarding interference. I expected none and have noticed none. Add the harmony hub without worry, I say. Furthermore, I find the hub to be the best universal remote I have ever seen and highly recommend it. Pick the elite if you value the ability to access favorite channels with one touch and don't want to use an app on a phone. Otherwise, the basic remote is quite nice. The only other remotes that I am happy with are apps on tablets communicating to the TV via itach IR devices. There are benefits and drawbacks to this approach, but I like this as well as the harmony dedicated remote. Communication FROM the hub would be relatively straight forward via IR. Program the ISY to recognize certain IR commands from the hub, and it becomes nothing more than a simple program to trigger lighting scenes from your Logitech harmony. Like the others I have made no attempt to communicate from the ISY TO the hub.

My initial inclination is to suspect two possibilities: - ON level is set to zero - communication problems - link records messed up Failure of the scene test tends to support the second or third possibilities. If you right-click on the device and "show device links table" (under diagnostics) then "compare" does it show any mismatches? Have you confirmed communication between legs of your electrical system via the beacon test (in some of the dual-band device manuals)? What else is plugged into the circuit that powers the PLM?

My initial reaction would be to break this into two programs (I will let you figure out the variables and alarm system resources). If door is open and door is not closed then turn on light else enable second program run second program (then path) second program (normally disabled): if motion sensor is triggered then wait 2 minutes turn off light disable second (this) program else nothing Are there going to be cases here where you may have manually turned on the lights and want them to stay on regardless of whether the door subsequently opens or closes? Perhaps what you should consider is to put these into a program folder with a condition such as: If third program is true then run the programs in this folder third program if control light is turned on and control light is not turned off then nothing else nothing Hopefully, these give you some ideas how to proceed.

Kman, I don't believe that this was an insteon motion sensor (at least it was not stated as such). It sounded like a motion sensor wired to some security panel which, in turn, triggered the variable.

Only the iOS version of mobilinc supports the viewing of cameras. Android does not. I use IPCamviewer on my android phone and tablets to view cameras.

OK. This makes sense. Simple option is to tart the timer after motion is last seen. If Laundrylight is 1 Then Turn light on Else Wait 5 min Turn light off

Yes. Treat the ON and OFF buttons as a single insteon switch (apparently with the default name of "on", but it can be renamed anything you want). The progrm statement is no different than with any other switch.... If Control/status " on" is set off Then Do something

To expand upon jerlands suggestion, make sure you use CONTROL keypad is off. STATUS will not work here.

Is there a problem with temporarily unplugging the power strip? Plug the ISY into the other outlet. See if this works. Surge suppressor power strips can cause problems. Security systems? I don't know. Does the security system have a UPS?

Regarding breakers, I vaguely recall an option that yokes two breakers together in such a way that it would not be possible to disable only one.

My experience is that insteon is more robust than x10 and if x10 works, insteon will. The only exceptions that I can think would be if one has an x10 phase coupler that messes with insteon, or if one tries an insteon device in a new location. Regarding the latter exception, are there other gadgets or devices on the circuit that powers the PLM? If you put an x10 device at this exact location as the PLM, can you control it?

Do you currently have an x10 phase coupler? Some can interfere with insteon.

Ah...the real mystery comes out! I will start here. I know that I can stare at things and not see stuff, but it appears to me that the "IF Logic" is NOT the same. The variables in each are different, to start. The variables in one program start with $area_outdoor..... whereas the variables in the other start with $area_indoor.... I notice, also, that the FROM time in one is different (sunrise-9 minutes) than the other (sunrise). I notice, however, that the variables have not change since the day before, according to the variable list. I do not see this as a cause of the mystery logs, however, but thought I would mention it in case it rang a bell in your head. Like LeeG, I notice the indoor program last run time was after last finish time, yet the program is not active. Interesting (but I don't understand it). Does the "Device Control Programs" folder or the "Christmas" folder have any conditions associate with them? I agree that any changes in conditions should have affected both programs, so I don't see this as a factor. I don't see any real utility to the wait 999 hour statement in each program. The lights will cycle on and off many time before the 999 hours expire. Have you experienced times where the lights don't turn off as expected? These do not look like programs and variables from a "novice" programmer to me. Are your programs consistently working as expected, even if the program status table has these unexplained or misunderstood anomalies? Are the devices coming on and off as expected? I don't see anything programs that depends on knowing whether a program is active.

A pretty accurate summary, in my view.

I continue to struggle to understand why this is an issue. The whole discussion, while intellectually interesting, seems based upon a use case where one needed to know whether a program that included wait states was active and some improbable ways to mess this up. I remain confident that there is a programmatic construct that can be created that will meet most any need for which insteon is a viable solution. I am even more confident that this is am issue that the "common man" will even recognize, much less care about. Of all the impediments that I have seen that seem to be stumbling blocks to the person new to the ISY, this is not even close. I remain curious, however, what it is that you are trying to accomplish where this has become such a critical factor.

While I agree that there is no direct method for measuring active or otherwise, I must admit to having trouble appreciating the problems you are having with the variable method. While I trust the examples you gave will result in a state where the variables cannot be trusted, nearly all those examples took a manual intervention through the admin panel to achieve. Are you concerned that somebody might open the admin panel and mess things up without your knowledge?

State and integer variables, I believe, are identical in function when viewed as part of the logical condition. Integer variables differ from state variables only in that integer variable do not act as program triggers.

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I am glad you understand triggers. I view triggers separately from conditions, though both are based upon the same individual statements. Think of the condition (if statement) as a single entity, made up of multiple statements, OR, AND, and parentheses. Regardless of which statement triggers a program, the ENTIRE IF condition is evaluated, always.

MikeD, makes sense, yes. Was simply responding to a couple of your statements such as "The trigger for TIME condition are only evaluated..." (Triggers are not evaluated, in my mind). "The trigger for the CONTROL condition is valid during the whole time period" (triggers are moments in time, not over whole time periods.) I could not reconcile statements such as those with my own understanding of how things work. While I am confident that you and I understand things equally well, I believe that triggers is a fundamental concept of the ISY and it is important to be precise. Otherwise, results will be unpredictable. Perhaps that is the "gotcha" from all this?

MikeD, I would describe it a little differently. Triggers have no logical condition and triggers are not evaluated. Instead, I believe it more accurate to state that once an IF statement is triggered by one or more of the individual conditions contained therein, the ENTIRE logical condition is evaluated based on the logical state of each condition at that moment in time.

I have a copy of the old instructions. Unfortunately, they say nothing of the purpose of the red, green or black wires. The instructions are limited to a picture showing black goes to Sense and green goes to GND. Fortunately, it is easy enough to figure out. Polarity does not matter so there are only three combinations to check. Put any two wires in the IOLinc Sense and GND terminals and observe the response as the door opens and closes. NC will be the wire combination that results in green LED ON when away from the magnet and OFF when close to the magnet.

Because programs execute only when triggered. And, the conditions, themselves, are the triggers. In this case there are two conditions (to..from, and control...switched on). The first condition WILL trigger only twice daily: at sunset and sunrise+30. The second condition will trigger only upon receipt of an ON command (not triggered by OFF, DIM, BRIGHT, etc). Once triggered, the entire condition WILL be evaluated. Besides, there is nothing in the ELSE to run at all, let alone run continuously.