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I have a ISY 994/IR Pro running v.5.3.0, and today completely failed to control anything after being in service for years. I power cycled the unit several times and the PLM. I noted the power LED is out, but I'm able to login to the unit via Admin console. After a power cycle, TX & RX and memory LEDs flash like normal and if you wait ... the power LED flash a few times, and then the RCV LED flashes randomly once boot is complete. After a power cycling the ISY, the admin console show lots of errors, "Can NOT communicate with module" .... almost all modules are reporting as failed (but not all). Those that show on line cannot be controlled via the admin console. I have a new ISY (purchase for my kids new house), so a swapped the power supply, no change to power LED. Also swapped the PLM with a new one. I've never had to diagnose a failure like this before, so any help would be appreciated Update 1: received pop-up, Error Could not open file /conf/UZWNDKEY.TXT && Could not open config file to read /conf/UZWNDKEY.txt Update 2: able to control a few switches from admin console now, but most are still showing offline, seeing more Error msg pop-ups about cant write to different file names ??? Update 3: no real update, did a factory reset and reload ... no change, admin console continues to stack up failed to communicate messages upon login, I'm able to control a few switches after a reboot, but over time this degrades to only one switch on the same breaker line as the PLM. Its like there is mass noise affecting communications, but there are no changes to hydro. Since its Saturday morning, I reset and tested at 7am when there is no power activity from neighbours on same transformer **** Could someone please suggest which log I should be looking or I could post to determine root cause ****

Thank You so much kclenden, really good explanation and solution Since I had spare switches on hand, I practised on with these rather than the the real thing for now. For anyone wishing to add the same function, this would be the coding that worked for me. NOTE : Suggest keeping the blink slow to reduce the message broadcasts KPL Button A - Monitor & Blink ------------------------------------- If 'Test Switch 1' Status >= 1% Or 'Test Switch 2' Status >= 1% Then Set 'Test KPL A' On Wait 10 minutes Repeat 200 times Set 'Test KPL A' Off Wait 5 seconds Set 'Test KPL A' On Wait 5 seconds Else Set 'Test KPL A' Off ============================================ KPL A All Off -------------------------------------------- If 'Test KPL .1 / .A' is switched On (CONTROL) Or 'Test KPL .1 / .A' is switched Off (CONTROL) Then Set 'Test Switch 1' Off Set 'Test Switch 2' Off Set 'Test KPL A' Off

Can a KPL lamp be controlled separately from its button ? Trying to flash a KPL lamp to indicate lights have been left on after a long period of time ... I've had the program below for years and works fine, but noted that sometimes in the winter when the most of the lamps are lit on the KPL, we miss the fact the monitor lamp is on Thought maybe flashing the lamp slowly would draw attention I tried this and realized that when setting the KPL "off" in the first blink sequence, it triggers the second program "KPL 8 H All Off " to run ... Hence my question, can the lamp associated with a specific button be controlled separately from the actual button function (I assuming no) ------------------------------------------------- KPL 8 H Monitor All If Basement Light 1 Status >= 1% Or Basement Stair 2 Status is On Or Basement Stair 3 Status is On Then Set 'KPL 8 - H Basement Lights' On ---new code Wait XX minutes Repeat 25 times Set 'KPL 8 - H Basement Lights' Off Wait 5 seconds Set 'KPL 8 - H Basement Lights' On Wait 5 seconds ---new code Else Set 'KPL 8 - H Basement Lights' Off ------------------------------------------------- KPL 8 H All Off If 'KPL 8 H' Status is Off Then Set Basement Light 1 Off Set Basement Stair 2 Off Set Basement Stair 3 Off -------------------------------------------------

djgunner, you wrote "I bought this ISY and devices for my work location" .... Just in case ... often commercial buildings will have 3 phase power from a Wye or Delta transformer. Is the breaker panel 2 or 3 phase feed ? (If you dont know, ask the electrician.) Signal bridges maybe required across all phases

Thank You muchly ... worked perfectly ...

The illumination level behind the "OFF" button on my 2487s suddenly stopped changing from level 1 to 10 when the associated lamp is turned off. Turning "ON" works properly, as do the A B C D buttons ... just the OFF button is staying at level 1 regardless of state I don't see any way to specifically address the "off" lamp level through the ISY Anyone know how to fix this ?

Then shall I assume adding both buttons to one scene is the same as cross-linking both buttons together ? (still learning the language and terms) Lights - Button B Front KPL - B Rear KPL - B

Tonight, it worked perfectly, log shows no OFF through the entire delay program ... lights stayed on ... go figure RE: changing OR to AND ... OR is required as I cant be at both switch's at the same time or am I missing something in the logic ?

Ok ... maybe possible, something that might happens in milliseconds ... But the log shows both switches On KPL Front Door - Ext Lights On 17:03:55 Program Scene:Lights - Button B On 17:03:55 Program <<<< KPL switch ON KPL Front Door - Ext Lights Status 100% 17:03:55 System KPL Back Door - Rear KPL - B Status 100% 17:03:55 System <<<< switch responds On KPL Front Door - Ext KPL - B Status 100% 17:03:55 System <<<< switch responds On Family Room Pot Lights Off 0 17:03:55 Program <<<< all lights go off Kitchen Sink Light Off 0 17:03:56 Program Scene:Kitchen 3 Way Off 0 17:03:56 Program So the obvious question(s) would be ... > Why did it work properly for 5 weeks and then suddenly start failing > I would assume this should be a very common need for other users ... so what is the proper method to turn on dual switches ? my design is fairly simple, I basically copied this from my former X10 system > Sunset turns of various lights in delayed progression and then turn on switch B > Switch B allows for turning off lights prior to a Bedtime timer > At 11PM, another program turns off all lights in a delayed manner and final turns switch B

The only Scene where Button B appears is binding the 2 keys together Lights - Button B Front KPL - B Rear KPL - B Both were set as Controllers when added, not sure how to query now ?

I installed my ISY and switches beginning of December and my Sunset has worked perfectly until last week. When KPL is turned on via program, based on the log, it triggers the KPN lights off program. Aside from deleting a few LampLinc modules from Christmas, nothing has changed, so I am baffled why the lights are suddenly turning off … Could someone have a look through my program and see what I have programmed wrong ? Log ---------------------------------------------- Living Room Lights On 16:43:55 Program Living Room Lights Status 100% 16:43:56 System KPL Front Door - Ext Lights On 17:03:55 Program Scene:Lights - Button B On 17:03:55 Program KPL Front Door - Ext Lights Status 100% 17:03:55 System <<<< KPL switch ON KPL Back Door - Rear KPL - B Status 100% 17:03:55 System KPL Front Door - Ext KPL - B Status 100% 17:03:55 System Family Room Pot Lights Off 0 17:03:55 Program <<<< all lights go off Kitchen Sink Light Off 0 17:03:56 Program Scene:Kitchen 3 Way Off 0 17:03:56 Program Living Room Lights Off 0 17:03:56 Program KPL Front Door - Ext Lights Off 0 17:03:56 Program ---------------------------------------------- Normal Sunset trigger ---------------------------------------------- If From Sunset To Sunrise (next day) Then Set 'Family Room Pot Lights' 70% Wait 2 minutes Set 'Kitchen Sink Light' On Wait 3 minutes Set 'Living Room Lights' On Wait 20 minutes Set 'KPL Front Door - Ext Lights' On Set Scene 'Lights - Button B' On <<<<<<<<<<<<<< as per log files, when this occurs, the next program triggers … WHY ? ---------------------------------------------- Manual lights off via KPL …. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< based on log, this is the program is being run ---------------------------------------------- If Status 'KPL Front Door - KPL - B' is Off Or Status 'KPL Back Door - KPL - B' is Off Then Set 'Family Room Pot Lights' Off Set 'Kitchen Sink Light' Off Set Scene 'Kitchen 3 Way' Off Set 'Living Room Lights' Off Set 'KPL Front Door - Ext Lights' Off

Let me ask this question differently .. I built test programs to simplify my question and for a few cycles, it works, but then the modules flashing on / off many times and I get a window pop up on the Console writing data for a long time, so I assume this is a loop ? How do you stop it .. or at lease get this program to work First I scan for modules in an ON state provided the SunSet = TRUE and KPL - C is OFF If From Sunset To Sunrise (next day) And Status 'KPL Back Door - Garage Light / Rear KPL - C' is Off Or Status 'KPL Front Door - Ext Lights / Front KPL - C' is Off And ( Status 'LampLinc 26.DD.BD' is not Off Or Status 'LampLinc 26.EB.83' is not Off ) Then Set Scene 'Buttons C' On <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< turn on Button C scene ---------------------------------------------------------------- Next ... with Buttons C turned ON, either Button C will turn all modules off If Status 'KPL Front Door - Ext Lights / Front KPL - C' is Off <<<<<<<<<<<< manually turn all modules off Or Status 'KPL Back Door - Garage Light / Rear KPL - C' is Off Then Set 'LampLinc 26.DD.BD' Off Set 'LampLinc 26.EB.83' Off

I previously read that post, but my Keypad works for normal scenes ... What doesn't work is the secondary scan to trigger the keypad back on ... The scan should only run when SunSet is true and keypad is currently in off state How do i initiate a scan of all modules to determine if they are in an ON state again ... if an ON state is found, re-trigger the keypad to show on ?

Trying to use KPL button for dual use, but I need help getting scan part to work. I would like a KPL button to indicate that other Insteon modules are in an ON state, and turn them off with the same switch. Each night, a program shuts down all lights in a delayed order … but if I want to turn the lights off earlier than 11 PM, I have button B on two KPL’s to perform the all lights off manually Sometimes the kids come in late and turn lights on, like garage or exterior lamps, so in the perfect world, I would like button B to light up again. If button B is pressed, it will run an “all shutdown” again. As a newbie, my programming is probably not as efficient as it could be, but I would appreciate any help with the scan part ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Program turns Lights on a Sunset in delayed manner and turns on KPL button B ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ If From Sunset To Sunrise (next day) Then Set Scene 'Lights - Button B' On Set 'Family Room Pot Lights' 70% Wait 2 minutes Set 'Kitchen Sink Light' On Wait 3 minutes Set 'Living Room Lights' On Wait 5 minutes Set 'Front Door - Ext Lights' On etc ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ This turns off lights at Bedtime and turns OFF button B ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ If On Sun, Mon, Tue, Wed, Thu Time is 11:00:00PM Then Set 'Family Room Pot Lights' Off Wait 3 minutes (Random) Set 'Kitchen Sink Light' Off Wait 3 minutes (Random) Set 'Living Room Lights' Off etc Set Scene 'Lights - Button B' Off ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Button B turns off all lights before Bedtime timer triggers ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ If Status 'KPL Front Door - Ext Lights / Front KPL - B' is Off Or Status 'KPL Back Door - Garage Light / Rear KPL - B' is Off Then Set 'Family Room Pot Lights' Off Set 'Kitchen Sink Light' Off Set Scene 'Kitchen 3 Way' Off etc ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Test program to scan for lights turned on after bedtime timer has already run ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ If From Sunset To Sunrise (next day) And Status 'KPL Front Door - Ext Lights / Front KPL - B' is Off And ( Status 'Family Room Pot Lights' >= 1% Or Status 'Kitchen Sink Light' >= 1% etc ) Then Set Scene 'Buttons B' On ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Understood, makes sense ... but I'm sure others who have KPL's would like to control 3 ways ?

Trying to build a simple All Lights On via 2 KPL's and I'm unable to add a 3 Way scene without changing one of the 2477D's from Controller to Responder which breaks the LED indicator lamps on one of the switches. Since the 3 Way is already a Scene, the ISY will not permit you to add a scene to a scene So, the only option is to add one of the 2477D's into the new scene, but you are prompted by the ISY "Kitchen 3 Way is already a controller for Kitchen 3 Way. Would you like to make it a responder ?" Scene looks like this All Lights - On Off > Front KPL - A > Rear KPL - A > Room A > Room B > Room C > etc > Want to add the 3 Way here !!!

Perhaps I'm confused about the function of the secondary buttons on KeypadLinc .... I just converted to Insteon and read somewhere that if a secondary button is linked to a dim-able switch, holding the secondary button will dim / raise the controlled switch. But now I cannot find that posting, nor does the manual suggest this function is supported ? Anyone ?

I understand the 2487S primary switch is ON - OFF, but can the ABCD buttons on it support dimming to other scenes when associated with the ISY ? Also, is it possible to pair a 2477S with a 2477D (assuming the load is on the 2477D), will the 2477S support dimming via ISY ?

I was just reading another thread on "When to use a Scene instead of a Program" which reminded of a question The first time I powered up my new ISY and added new devices for the first time, I noticed after each device was added, there was a new scene created. I did not understand at the time what scenes were, so I deleted everything, did a factory reset and started over again. But when I started adding devices again, each devise appeared only in the ISY folder, but no scenes where being created. While I can create scenes for each device manually, just curious how to set the ISY back to a state where new scenes would be automatically created when adding new devices ? jim

Quick Thank You for your suggestions, Good samples to learn from ...

Trying to write a wakeup program that compares Sunrise and a wakeup time taking into account the season. Let’s say high summer, Sunrise is before wakeup time and I don't want the lights on, but in winter, wakeup is long before Sunrise, so turn the lights on until Sunrise turns them off. Given that Wakeup is fixed at 6:00AM during weekdays and Sunrise varies every day, how does one create the logic (Sunrise is false and time is 6:00 AM) = True, turn light on … else do nothing If On Mon, Tue, Wed, Thu, Fri Time is NOT Sunrise And On Mon, Tue, Wed, Thu, Fri Time is 6:00:00 AM Then Set 'Wakeup Light' On

Thank you for your help ... it works ... Makes sense now ... I wondered why Value on VAR_1 State never changed when Init was changing

I created a program named DUSK ... I was not expecting it to be a select-able item when adding new programs

trying understand how Variables work ... I can see the VAR_1 Init value change, but not control an actual device I have 3 programs for this test Variable ON ------------------ If X10 'B2/On (3)' is Received Then $VAR_1 Init To 1 Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') Variable OFF ------------------ If X10 'B2/Off (11)' is Received Then $VAR_1 Init To 0 Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') On the Variables TAB / State I can see the value in the Init column change to 0 or 1 when B2 goes On or Off ======================================================================= What I don't understand is why this does not work Test device on / off via Variable ------------------ If $VAR_1 is 1 Then Set '25.C4.73.1' On Else Set '25.C4.73.1' Off

forget it ... I see my error