MikeB

??? Not sure I follow you. I don't know if it will be different. Like I posted above I'll report back what the rev label and firmware version is.

Thanks for the reply, Joe. I read your post a few times, but I'm not sure I follow. I do have these KPL secondaries in my status check program, which is actually how I noticed the issue. I was racking my brain on this for a while, because what would happen is I would press my '2nd floor off' button ON, and it would stay on, and the status check program would stay true! A scan through My Lighting showed that all my 2nd floor lights were OFF, which meant the program should show false. After a while of playing with it, it finally dawned on my that the KPL secondaries don't show in My Lighting, and those were the devices that showed as ON. So, basically what happens in my system is if someone accidentally presses the '2nd floor off' button ON, the KPL secondaries go ON, and the status button stays ON as well, until it's pressed OFF. So, sorry for being dense, but could you explain your suggested workaround with a bit more detail? Thanks!

I have a unit coming in tomorrow, I'll post back with what it's labeled. My previous extended memory PLM was labeled Rev 2.75, and firmware was v63.

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One issue I've found so far with this method... I'm pretty anal about trying to make my lighting controls bulletproof. One thing that concerns me is if someone presses the '2nd floor off' KPL button ON. By setting the on levels for all devices to 0, theoretically that's OK - the lights will stay off and the button will turn itself back off because of the status check program. However, what won't work well is any KPL secondaries that are members of the '2nd floor off' scene. KPL secondaries do not have on levels, so they will turn ON when this button is pushed. This also throws off my status check program, which I use to check the status of a coulple KPL secondaries on the 2nd floor. I know this isn't a huge deal, but it's an annoyance for me....

When you create your program to turn on the LampLinc via IR, turn on the entire scene instead. This will ensure everything in the scene is turned on (the LampLinc and KPL secondary).

My understanding is that Rev 2.7 and lower have the standard memory, while Rev 2.75 (and above) are extended memory. I've never seen one labeled Rev 1.75 - I wonder if it's a type-o?

Hey Joe - I didn't, but my setup was completely different back then and I had far fewer 'status' programs on my ISY. I've also been having some KPL flashing issues on a couple scene buttons within my kitchen. I'm in the middle of troubleshooting now, so I have my 1st/2nd floor off programs disabled, but I think what was happening was my status programs were stepping all over my scene cleanup commands - especially with large scenes and a large # of devices responding. At this point I don't think it is KPL related. I no longer have any v1.4 KPLs kicking around, so I can't tell for certain - but the v1.65s have been working so well for me otherwise (knock on wood), I don't think they're the issue. I also think others would have reported the issue by now. I should be re-activating my programs later today once I'm confident things are working well as-is. I'll post back my results.

Are you running Excel 2007? If so, instead of dropping your security level, when Excel 2007 opens with the blank formatted page, look for a 'Security Warning' above the A column with an OPTIONS button. Click OPTIONS, and choose ENABLE THIS CONTENT.

I verified it is working fine here with Vista/Office 2007 - I simply missed the Macro warning. Excel opens with no data, but there is a Macro warning. Once I acknowledge the macro warning, my data appears.

I'm running Vista 32-bit, Office 2007, latest ISY-99 beta firmware. In the Administrative Console, I click TOOLS, then LOG. The ISY then asks if I want to open the log in Excel, I click YES. Excel 2007 opens, but there is no data. I am able to manually open the UDReport.rtf file, however, and it does contain data. This same folder also contains a ud.xls file, which is blank.

I believe the PS3 has an inexpensive add-on that allows for IR control. If I decide to get a Blue Ray player, I will seriously consider a PS3. It has the best potential for future updates to keep it compatible with new features as they are added to the format.

Just tried this last night one my '1st Floor Off' KPL secondary button. Works well, except for 1 thing - I'm finding that I need to wait a solid 3-4 seconds before pressing another button on the KPL, otherwise that 2nd button press will go unrecognized. I believe this is due to the cleanup messages coming from all the responders in the scene. I didn't see this when using a program to trigger the scene in the ISY, and I believe this is because the ISY triggers the scene in a different way. Can anyone confirm seeing a difference like this?

Hey Matt - I just did my first one last night with a v1.65 KPL, so it should work with a new one. Older KPLs, however, were limited in that a secondary button could not control a scene containing the load button with a different ramp rate/on level. Try right-clicking the device you want to add the the scene, and choose 'Add Device To Scene' instead.

Just an update related to the newer KPLs - now that v1.5+ (I've tested with v1.65) KPLs allow secondary buttons to set different on-levels for the load, and the ISY 2.6.1 beta firmware supports this, I've been able to eliminate the 'control' part of this program. I simply create a lighting scene and make the KPL secondary a controller of that scene. To keep the KPL status 'accurate', I still keep my status programs. For example, my Living Room Reading scene status program: If Status 'LivingRoomControls1G' is not Off And ( Status 'LivingRoomControls1A' is not 90% Or Status 'LivingRoomMain1' is not 30% ) Then Set Scene 'LivingRoomReadStatus' Off Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') The program first checks if the KPL secondary is already OFF. If it's not OFF, it checks the status of the lights. If they're not set at my scene levels, the program turns the KPL secondary LED off. Doing this has also allowed me to remove the WAITs I needed before setting the status LED. Feels like a much cleaner solution, and KPL use is much much snappier.

Hey Mark - Besides issues related to KPL v1.6 that Michel mentioned, I've had problems when removing/replacing or making major changes to my KPLs. Other KPLs in the house seem to get misconfigured. KPL secondary buttons that worked fine before no longer seemed to send status updates to the ISY, links no longer worked, etc. In the past I had tried Restore Device on the problematic KPL, which rarely worked. I ended up removing the whole KPL from the ISY and re-adding and re-configuring. Recently, along with a Restore Device, I went ahead and did a Restore PLM as a test per Michel's suggestion - and it fixed my issue. I'm not sure what the exact cause of the problem is, but you might want to try a Restore Device and Restore PLM next time you have this issue to see if it helps.

Anyone try accessing their ISY from a Treo mobile device? On my Treo 750 running Windows Mobile 5 I can get the login screen, login which brings me to the Devices list, then when I click a device it brings me back to the login. Tried updating to Windows Mobile 6, same issue. This is via HTTP or HTTPS. Tried a buddy's Treo 750, same thing, I'm curious if anyone else is successfully using a Treo?

Ahh, makes sense. You can't set the on-level for a KPL secondary to 0, correct? But, if you don't need an 'All On' button, but are just looking for an 'All Off', it should work fine.

Hey Michel - I was moving around between links every couple seconds, so I must be having a different issue.

Running a Palm Treo 750 with Internet Explorer on Windows Mobile 5. I can connect to the HTTPS page, confirm the certificate warning, which brings me to the login screen. Login information, however, does not seem to stick. I can get it to sometimes display the list of devices and/or scenes, however trying to do anything further (control a device/scene, switch to a different page) brings me back to the login prompt. I hope to upgrade to Windows Mobile 6 sometime soon and will re-test.

Oooooh.. I like this. Your a smart cookie. Can't wait to try this out!

Jeff - I think I just realized why you're doing this with a program. If you make your KPL secondary "All On" button a controller of the scene you want it to turn on, it needs to be in non-toggle ON mode for it to work. If you want to keypad button to be off all the time, I guess you would need a program to trigger your scene on when pressed. However, you should still be able to do the "All Off" button without a program to reduce the delay and eliminate dependence on the ISY/PLM.

Hey Jeff - Great write up. However, unless I'm missing something, I don't believe you need a program to do this. Why not make the KPL secondary button that controls your scene a CONTROLLER of the scene? Still set it to non-toggle (off or on, whatever your intent), but when you join it to the scene add it as a controller instead. All the other lights and slave devices would still be responders. This has a couple advantages: 1 - Not dependent on the ISY/PLM. If your ISY/PLM goes down or gets disrupted for some reason, this button will still function. 2 - Quicker response. Since the above method would not be executing a program, the lights would go on or off almost instantly. I personally use programs to run my 'all off' KPL secondary buttons, but that's because I don't keep the buttons in non-toggle mode - I want them to be lit if a light is left on, and off if all the lights are off. I use these to turn entire floors off in my house when exiting, going to bed, etc.. Here's an example of my programs. I have a scene called 'Floor2Off' that contains all the devices (both load bearing or slave devices/buttons) that are on my 2nd floor - all responders. Here is my control program: If Control 'MasterBedroomControls1H' is switched Off Then Set Scene 'Floor2Off' Off Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') This program turns all my 2nd floor lights off if I press the my KPL secondary "Floor 2 Off" button (called MasterBedroomControls1H). Since it runs via a program, there is a second or so delay - but not too bad. Here is my Status Off program: If Status 'MasterBedroomControls1H' is not Off And ( Status 'AndyBedroomCloset1' is Off And Status 'AndyBedroomLamp1' is Off And Status 'Bathroom2ndMain1' is Off And Status 'Bathroom2ndMirror1' is Off And Status 'Bathroom2ndVent1' is Off And Status 'MikeyBedroomCloset1' is Off And Status 'MikeyBedroomLamp1' is Off And Status 'SpareBedroomCloset1' is Off And Status 'SpareBedroomLamp1' is Off And Status 'Stairway1' is Off And Status 'AndyBedroomControls1C' is Off And Status 'AndyBedroomControls1D' is Off ) Then Wait 1 second Set Scene 'Floor2StatusLight' Off Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') Because you can't control a KPL secondary button directly, it must controlled by making it a member of a scene. The scene called "Floor2StatusLight" contains ONLY my KPL secondary button. The above code ensures that if all my 2nd floor lights are off, that my "Floor2Status" button is also off. Here is my Status On program: If Status 'MasterBedroomControls1H' is Off And ( Status 'AndyBedroomCloset1' is not Off Or Status 'AndyBedroomLamp1' is not Off Or Status 'Bathroom2ndMain1' is not Off Or Status 'Bathroom2ndMirror1' is not Off Or Status 'Bathroom2ndVent1' is not Off Or Status 'MikeyBedroomCloset1' is not Off Or Status 'MikeyBedroomLamp1' is not Off Or Status 'SpareBedroomCloset1' is not Off Or Status 'SpareBedroomLamp1' is not Off Or Status 'Stairway1' is not Off Or Status 'AndyBedroomControls1C' is not Off Or Status 'AndyBedroomControls1D' is not Off ) Then Wait 1 second Set Scene 'Floor2StatusLight' On Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') This code checks to see if ANY of my 2nd floor lights are on. If they are, it lights up my "Floor 2 Status" button so I'll know to turn it off before bed.

Well, that's an odd one Mike.... you'd think that if your entire group is coming on that it must be SOMETHING coming from the ISY... Is there a RemoteLinc or ControlLinc that's part of this group that could be flaking out? Maybe a switch with a physical paddle issue that randomly clicks on?

This might be a long shot, but do you have an Elk integrated with your ISY? I've seen reports of Insteon lights going on randomly from Elk users in the past...