MrBill

Someone recently reported successfully swapping parts between 2413u and 2413s to bring the 2413s back to life. I don't think there are alot of test cases tho... but it did work for someone. Hopefully smarthome will get more 2413s stock... but there is good news on the horizon, ISY to moving over to the Polisy hardware... it's being Alpha tested now... ISY running on polisy hardware supports either the 2413s or 2413u.

try plugging the outdoor module in on the same circuit as the ISY/PLM Also Note that device codes on the stickers can be hard to read... 22.80.75 the 80 could be 8D, B0, BD

@Geddy is absolutely correct! It can't be in a folder. Another issue is that it can't be dimmer vs on/off, they both must be the type. here's the wiki page

It exists for me. If you only have one 8Button keypad that may be why it doesn't show up, add the replacement device to the ISY and check again.

I would try turning off huge chunks of breakers in your panel and then rechecking. I tend to start with half, then the other half. then half of whichever group got rid of the noise... then half of that group..and so on... until I get down to a single breaker causing the issue. I know which breaker I have to leave on to keep the ISY and the network up, that's the only one I don't flip off during the process.

Factory reset the switch clears the switches memory, the switch remains in the ISY... "Restore Device" then causes the ISY to reload the switches memory as the ISY wants it programed. You could try just doing a "Restore Device" without clearing the memory first. If your attic gets hot, most do, it's likely not a good place for the switch. I'd try to move it anywhere into the conditioned space. In one house where I helped straighten out some problems we cut in some switches near the ceiling in a bedroom closet to move switches out of the attic. I have one near the ceiling in my laundry room just because I didn't want it in the attic for something we added. It can certainly be frustrating when you know you're doing it correctly but it doesn't work. Insteon also can drive me crazy at times because it takes so long to reprogram complex scenes and/or multi-button controllers.

That actually looks correct. Sorry for being persistent but you wouldn't believe the number of users that can't grasp that concept. What I would do next, is one at a time, factory reset each device, then select the device in the tree, right click it, and select "Restore Device" 2477D's and 6 or 8 button KPL's the reset proceedure is pull out the air-gap for 10-seconds, push it all the way back in and HOLD IT until the long beep Stops. then after a pause it should beep 2 more times. I've forgotten how to factory reset the wireless remotes, google "Insteon <Model Number> manual" and look for a pdf from cache.insteon.com near the top of the search results. I actually have to to this about once every year or so for our masterbed room overhead light, I think the memory in the switch is flakey, but it's out of warranty and only happens every year or so and I only have to actually facto.ry reset the 2477D itself. The other causes that can randomly trash can be communication errors, and the fact that the switches are often shipped out with junk links.. .as a result I try to remember to factory reset new out of the box switches as as they are installed before being added to the ISY.

Highlight the red node of the scene one at a time and show us that. An Insteon feature is that the same scene can behave differently based on which controller controls it. in your scene: You have the root of the scene selected, the information that you are looking at on the right side of the screen is what happens when the ISY itself is the scene controller. Move the Blue selector down one line at a time and watch the right side of the screen. What is shown as you do that is what happens when each of those controllers are used. In other words your scene must be programmed 5 times.... that can be the same 5 times or 5 different configurations.

In your example you need to configure the scene 5 times. You have the root of the scene clicked in the tree in the left side of the screen for each screenshot. You also need to click each RED controller link and configure the scene attributes for what happens when that controller is used. (this works differently that it did in V4 firmware where there was a copy button)

Wait for the chief to get his endians in order! Must be FedEx.

You don't control scenes with a scene, you control devices with a scene. In these two scene's as virtual 3-ways, both devices should be controllers. If they aren't the lights on the switch will not stay in sync, and the ISY will not correctly identify the state of both switches. Everything scene 1 Switchlink is a ? (switch1) 1 switch link is a ? (switch2) 1 Switchlink is a ? (switch1) 1 switch link is a ? (switch2) keypad link button is a ? (ButtonA) There's a couple of approaches here. One is to add button A to the Kitchen Scene and dinning room scene as a responder. that will make that button light up if anything gets turned on, and one press should be off. In that case Button A would be the only controller in this scene. and pressing it would be All On and All Off. In my house I have little use for "all on" but I do like all off. If it's a 6-button keypad I always use button d for that, if it's 8-button I use button H. I set it to "non-toggle OFF" and add everything I want to turn off, that includes switches and other buttons on keypads that might be on. As you exit any area or room the bottom right button is always All OFF for what is behind you. Examples exit the Master Bath, button D is the bottom right it's all off for the Master Bath, Exit the Master Bed Room itself button H is everything behind you, which includes everything in the bedroom, AND everything in the master Bath (it as its own sub-All Off but Master Bed Room All OFF includes everything in the Master bath all off and everything in the bedroom). At the bottom of the stairs the All off there will turn off everything downstairs (or behind you). Head out to the garage to leave... the button H by that door is All off for the whole house.

Make everything a controller. Don't have anything that a responder only. You can actually do this in one scene, you don't need 2 scenes for what you're showing here.. just make everything a controller.

Keep in mind HTTP = Port 80 HTTPS = Port 443 Since 433 has another use with Polisy...... thats why 8443 is a better choice..

That wouldn't be any different than if you were using the non-existent option of not dimming that key. I'd combine it with time If Sunset to Sunrise (next day) and lock is locked then dim keypad else brighten keypad

Correct, only the brightness of all buttons is adjustable as a single unit. If the goal is to not go to bed with the lock unlocked, adjust the program that dims the keypads to not dim that keypad until the lock is locked.

I'd love to, but being honest it's probably over my head. While I've been successful with the Lua langauge in the past, and its data structure is not unlike python's data structures, I seem to have a block with some of python's concepts... it might be age. As you know I had a goal of creating two nodeservers and even purchased hardware for dev purposes, of the two potential nodeservers, one is a re-write of any early goose66 nodeserver for Pentair Screenlogic, that one works but I'm not comfortable actually releasing it via the store. The other one I failed entirely on because I could never figure out the google sheets python library. (my need or demand for that one also went down because the Universal Devices HA integration allows me to get the logging that I was trying to create with the 2nd nodeserver and google sheets. So while I'd love to create a nodeserver and become famous for it ? it's probably realistically not going to happen.

@Michel Kohanim Getting the shade to work was quite a story, it starts with "I bought the shade without a plan but it said Zigbee so I figured I could make it work." Then I learned that ZLL and ZHA are like Apples and Oranges. (Zigbee Light Link/hue vs Zigbee Home Automation). So next I had to look for a Zigbee Coordinator that also had a local API, that's hard to figure out because all they advertise is "works with Alexa/GH", and they literally all state that, but none appear to actually have local API's, some advertised cloud API's but I wasn't interested. Some post somewhere got me looking at ConBee and they advertise works with HA... so I ordered one. Again not really knowing if this would work out but figured I had 30days before the Amazon return window closed. Turns out that with deConz, the native interface for Conbee, my device (the shade) hadn't yet been integrated. I wrote to dresden elektronik support a.k.a. Phoscon the maker of the conBee and a very detailed email came back telling me how to collect the devices information so that it could be supported via deConz, but looking at the github page where you make such device support requests it looks like they are quite backlogged with 153 open requests dating back to early this year. But the dresden email also contained one more sentence: "it seems you can already use the blind with the ConBee II via the Zigbee2MQTT integration" and Zigbee2MQTT also had a Home Assistant add-on. Ultimately I had to install two add-on's to HA for MQTT broker and then Zigbee2MQTT, there was much trouble getting Zigbee2MQTT to start and the error message that was misleading, but after firmware upgrade and a different error message i finally found the info needed in a "Note" at the bottom of article. Then I had to mess around with Zigbee2MQTT until it just mysteriously paired with the shade... I'd done the process the same way 100 times by that point, but the youtube video tutorial I was using warned that step would be difficult and illogical so I kept trying. The first time I got the shade to run from a laptop click, I whooped and hollered so loud the dogs started barking and my wife came running to see what was wrong...lol Next I created an ISY state variable to control the shade via Home Assistant, normally 0, set -1 to close and 1 to open and HA sets it back to 0 at the end of the automation. Used that with an extra KPL button/ISY scene for manual control. In the end I ended up using an HA automation to get the automation I wanted: close at sunset +30 min offset (easy peazey, with either platform) open when the second person got out of bed in the morning I had an idea in the back of my head to use "when phone is disconnected from charger" as the sensor for the open automation. Originally the goal was to use the iOS shortcuts app to set an ISY state variable for each phone's connected to charger state... but I realized I needed to use REST via the portal in case the phone wasn't on wifi for some reason--no wifi and a local path resulted in an ugly error notification. In the end, I discovered Shortcuts app to HA native App made more sense because it would use local if it could and revert to cloud without wifi. Since this was all in HA I just ended up doing the automation there, so now from 5-9 AM when not one but both phones have been unplugged the shade rolls up. It works VERY WELL... and my new current favorite automation! Now that I have the phone charging state in HA, today I'm setting it up to update my temporarily abandoned ISY State variables, so that I can eliminate having to push a KPL button to initiate the goodnight routine in the ISY, instead Goodnight will become 2 phases, the first will run when the first phone is connected to the charger, the second will run when the second phone connects to the charger.

like I mentioned, link counts are very hard to do, especially on large systems, especially with wireless devices. ANY Insteon traffic during the link count will invalidate the link count. That's why you're getting confusing results from 600,900,1600... traffic occurred during the count. I also think you paying too much attention to the wrong thing. You upgraded from 4.x to 5.x... you didn't have a link count problem before that, and the upgrade didn't change your link count. Study your device tree, especially wireless devices do you see little 1011 icons that look like this: or this ? If so, that is your problem.

yours....

by Michels own words: he seemed to indicate that the ISY admin console would notify us when new versions are available. I don't care what your interpretation of that is, I wanted to know Michels, so I asked HIM... not you. There was another case... the # to substitute a node name that worked in email notifications but not network resources. That fact had gotten off Michel's radar. Funny, after a long thread where I finally pointed out and stated the fact that the # didn't work with network resources, it got fixed shortly thereafter, but only in ISY for Polisy, the fix has yet to be back-ported to the ISY994. I wondered if the fact the admin console was not notifying us was indeed off Michel's radar. It's really very very simple.... I quoted what Michel said and asked "are you aware?" I didn't say "Teken do you have an interpretion of what Michel meant?"

Like I said, when I want your opinion I'll ask you. when I'm asking Michel, then by all means please let Michel use his words... not what you think he meant to say.

you just affirmed why your statement above "on historical facts" is invalid. No two people will agree on "the historical facts".

Teken we don't agree on this. But I wasn't asking for your interpretation, you felt the need to give it anyway. I specifically ask Michel if he was aware... I didn't need you tell me what "he meant to say". I read what he said, then asked him a question, and you butted in.... In the future if I need your interpretation of what Michel might have meant to say, instead of asking him a question directly, I'll tag you like this "@Teken what do you think Michel meant to say?"

Because @Teken I wasn't asking you to interpret... Your exact words were: As you might have noticed I asked if he was aware that the upgrade display feature didn't work in v5.x. Michel's answer about official releases and Z-wave certification turned out to be just about what I assumed.. but that had never been stated by UDI. Once that is on the table I could follow thru with my secondary question of could the feature be enabled stating that a BETA release was available. The point of my post was to be able to make a suggestion that I ultimately made. Had I needed interpretation, I would have directly asked @Teken what do you think Michel means? Fact is, the feature came back on a system that is considered alpha or beta, so I wanted to start a discussion and see if we could get the functionality going in version 5.x I'm not as stupid as you tried to make me look.

Yes I did, but I was asking Michel for his answer to begin with, not your speculation about what he might have meant.