8 Button Keypad Newbei questions.

[danncas]

What does grouping do other then group stuff in one area? what is excluesive mean? Can someone give me real examples..Plus

how do I make one buttom ALLON and ALLOFF or do I have to use two buttons.

What I want to do is have the button lite when ever any light is on and Off when all lights are OFF

[G W]

Picture a car radio with buttons. When you push one all the others go off.

 

This is what grouping can do for you. I am using the right column of buttons to control a ceiling fan. The top button is High, then below that Medium, followed by Low them Off.

 

Also set the buttons not to toggle. So when I push Low, only the Low button will light up.

[LeeG]

Just to be sure about what is being discussed, there is a Group Buttons function which is accessed by doing a Right click on a KeypadLinc button node in the My Lighting tree. Using Group Buttons puts a "+/-" sign to the left of the KeypadLinc Primary node and places all the KeypadLinc Secondary button nodes below the Primary node.

 

Buttons Grouping is a button at the bottom right side of a node display. It is described above but SHOULD NOT BE USED. To achieve Mutually Exclusive/Radio buttons use an ISY Scene to establish the button relationships.

[G W]

Interesting. I was not aware of this function. What is the reason for this and how is it used?

[danncas]

Just to be sure about what is being discussed, there is a Group Buttons function which is accessed by doing a Right click on a KeypadLinc button node in the My Lighting tree. Using Group Buttons puts a "+/-" sign to the left of the KeypadLinc Primary node and places all the KeypadLinc Secondary button nodes below the Primary node.

 

Buttons Grouping is a button at the bottom right side of a node display. It is described above but SHOULD NOT BE USED. To achieve Mutually Exclusive/Radio buttons use an ISY Scene to establish the button relationships.

Ok now Im confused....

When I right click I the 8 button group I see I can more or less make it act like a folder. Like in the screen shot below.

I also see when I pick a button I get another option for grouping and exclusive I dont understand.

I like to have ON button for all lights on and all lights off and when any of the light in the all lights scene is on I want to see the All lights button lite so I know that there is a light on in the house someplace,

[LeeG]

danncas

 

Sorry, I used the wrong nomenclature for the Group Devices function. I incorrectly referred to it as Group Buttons rather than Group Devices. When a right click is done on the KeypadLinc Primary node it is Group Devices or Ungroup Devices.

 

The second image in your last post with the "-" to the left of the KeypadLinc Primary node is what happens when the Group Devices option is selected. Since the posted image shows that option in effect the option shown when a right click is done is Ungroup Devices to reverse what was done with Group Devices .

 

The first image in your last post is what is displayed when Buttons Grouping button is clicked. This option was used in the very distant past to define Mutually Exclusive (Radio) buttons. This option SHOULD NOT BE USED. There is a Warning at the top of the display (partially cut off in posted image) that Scenes should be used instead.

 

Neither Group Devices nor Buttons Grouping has anything to do with a button being an All On or All Off button. To have a button be an All On or All Off simple make that button a Controller of an ISY Scene that has all the devices that should respond to the button press as Responders. Not considering the 6 button KPL ON/OFF buttons as they are exceptions, any given KPL button can be in default Toggle mode such that pressing the button On makes the button All On and pressing the button Off makes the button All Off. If a given button should be dedicated to All Off for example simply define that button as non-toggle Off mode. In non-toggle Off mode the button only ever issues an Off command.

 

The 6 button KPL ON/OFF buttons by their nature are already in non-toggle mode. Pressing the ON button always sends a On and pressing the OFF button always sends an Off. The ON/OFF buttons CANNOT control different Scenes. If they are used for All xxx function, the ON button is All On and the OFF button is All Off.

 

The devices controlled by an All On or All Off button are simply what devices are defined as Responders in the ISY Scene controlled by the button.

[jrini]

There appear to be four separate sections in the UDI WIKI on using "Mutually Exclusive Buttons". For noobs like me this is quite confusing.

[LeeG]

I'll bet it is. Some of the Search hits are pretty dated. Likely anything dating back to 2009/2010 no longer applies. Those hits discuss the use of the "Mutually Exclusive Buttons" button which no longer exists (doc is usually the last thing to get cleaned up). The March 2013 entry does describe the Buttons Grouping button which does work as described. However, the KPL function for establishing Mutually Exclusive (Radio) buttons is better implemented with Scenes as the Warning at the top of the Buttons Grouping display indicates. The use of Scenes setting the On Level to % 0 is much simpler than trying to understand all those vertical lists of buttons and the selections below.

 

Anytime you find yourself running in circles with the doc post the question. There are lots of good folks on this forum and UDI tech support is always an option. You will not find a better tech support group.

[Michel Kohanim]

Hi LeeG, you are 100% correct.

 

At some point we should clean up everything. I think it would be better to start from scratch otherwise we are going to be left with more confusing and alternating versions of reality.

 

 

With kind regards,

Michel

[LeeG]

The KeypadLinc Secondary button D (?) All On/All Off is a Controller of ISY Scene xxx. The ISY Scene xxx has Secondary buttons A,B,C as Responders set to 100% On Level. The three devices controlled by Secondary buttons A,B,C are also Responders in Scene xxx. Pressing Secondary button D On turns on Secondary button LEDs for A,B,C as well as turning On the Responders of buttons A,B,C. Pressing Secondary button D Off turns everything Off.

[jrini]

Since this is the ISY function I am playing with at this time, if there is no objection, I will start deleting the older discussions of "Mutually Exclusive" in the UDI WIKI.

[Michel Kohanim]

Hi jrini,

 

Yes, go ahead please. Thanks so very much.

 

With kind regards,

Michel

[danncas]

I still having trouble maybe someone can help??

I have two scenes on this keylink. What I want to happen is....

1. When Button c is pressed the C comes on. not problem there

2. When Button D is Pressed I want C to go out and D come on.

3>And if C is pressed again I want D to go out and so on.

I put both C and D in exclusive button but it doesn't work.

SMARTHOME told me how to do it on the keypad but I was hoping to avoid that procedure

[LeeG]

For Button C and Button D to act as exclusive/radio buttons, define two ISY Scenes.

 

Scene 1

KeypadLinc Button C Controller

KeypadLinc Button D Responder - 0% On Level

 

Scene 2

KeypadLinc Button D Controller

KeypadLinc Button C Responder - 0% On Level

 

Remember that every Scene Controller has its own set of Responder values. When clicking Scene 1 name set Button D to 0% On Level. Then click Red Button C node name just below Scene 1 name. Also set Button D to 0% On Level

 

Do the same thing for Scene 2. Set Button C to 0% On Level for both the Scene 2 name and the Red Button D node name below Scene 2.

 

EDIT: if button C and D are already Controllers in ISY Scenes it is only necessary to add the opposite button to the Scene as a Responder with 0% On Level.

 

The Scene button C is already a Controller of, add button D as a Responder with 0% On Level

The Scene button D is already a Controller of, add button C as a Responder with 0% On Level