rniles Posted February 4, 2014 Posted February 4, 2014 I am very exciting to add Z-wave on our ISY 994i-Zigbee. I am little bit confused, and I am still learning. :/ I have several questions related with Zwave. I want to order Zwave, and attached to ISY motherboard since I want to be able control with Zwave door lock front of house, and back. I did look through http://www.universal-devices.com/sales/ ... ccessories - It got few things to add. If I order this Z-Wave Assembly Kit or Z-Wave Assembly Kit/Enclosure depend on what do i have enclosure box which I do understand. It is part of chip attached to motherboard, it will work right away? with out Antenna? Or do i have to add other High Powered Zigbee Radio or Z-Wave Antenna Assembly? Can you explain few thing what different high powered zigbee radio or High Powered Zigbee Smart Grid (SEP1.1) Radio? I did looked through Wiki and seem not helpful. I would like to order that soon as possible! Let me know, your feedback or thoughtful or suggest will helpful!
oberkc Posted February 4, 2014 Posted February 4, 2014 I don't have zigbee or zwave (yet) but I understand you can only have one at a time. My perception from reading here is that this works without external antenna, but may work better with one. Like insteon, apparently, z-wave works better as you add more devices.
Michel Kohanim Posted February 5, 2014 Posted February 5, 2014 Hello rniles, oberkc is 100% correct in all aspects. As far as Zigbee PRO vs. SEP, the main question is: what are your intentions? If your utility has installed a Smart Meter for you and if they allow you to connect a HAN device to it, AND if you would like to get whole-house energy information out of your meter, then SEP is the path to go. If you want more granular energy monitoring (i.e. per circuit), then PRO is the way to go. If Z-Wave door locks and support for more home automation devices is more important for you, then you should go with Z-Wave. With kind regards, Michel
dano Posted February 5, 2014 Posted February 5, 2014 Good morning Michel, I'm trying to add door locks to my ISY994i Z/IR PRO. I'm currently using the zigbee radio feature for both energy management and thermostat control. I assume the ISY can only be zigbee OR z-wave (not both). What are my options to add door locks to my system?
Teken Posted February 5, 2014 Posted February 5, 2014 You really only have two options. Purchase a Z-Wave enabled ISY-994. Or remove the Zigbee, and replace it with the Z-Wave components. A third option is to purchase another 3rd party controller like Vera 3 which supports three of the four major HA standards. Teken . . .
dano Posted February 5, 2014 Posted February 5, 2014 If that's the case, I could use add the z-wave serial expander for my Elk M1. Since the door locks in the Elk are controlled via text commands through the z-wave serial expander serial port, does the ISY Elk Module have the ability to send text strings to a designated port (i.e. the serial expander port)? I know the ISY Elk module can send text (custom message) to the keypad port but wasn't sure if you can designate the port for the text message.
Teken Posted February 5, 2014 Posted February 5, 2014 If that's the case, I could use add the z-wave serial expander for my Elk M1. Since the door locks in the Elk are controlled via text commands through the z-wave serial expander serial port, does the ISY Elk Module have the ability to send text strings to a designated port (i.e. the serial expander port)? I know the ISY Elk module can send text (custom message) to the keypad port but wasn't sure if you can designate the port for the text message. Thats an interesting question. But, I fear that won't work as the ISY needs the Z-Wave hardware to complete the processing. If it was simply a software solution I am sure UDI would have implemented this solution long ago. But, the way you describe it if your ELK can allow the Z-Wave hardware to be installed and if all it needs is the software / protocol to be sent it could work. Teken . . .
dano Posted February 6, 2014 Posted February 6, 2014 Teken, Not sure you understand completely. I'm communicating to the Elk using the ISY Elk module which uses standard network TCP/IP communication. The Elk itself has an add-on board call the z-wave serial expander. The Elk would be controlling the z-wave door locks directly through this z-wave serial expander. The method it uses to conduct two-way communication with the door locks is via simple text commands. These simple text strings is how the z-wave locks communicate. I need to know if the ISY's Elk Module has the current capability to send and receive those text commands. The path looks like this: ISY w/ Elk Module --------> Elk M1--------> Elk z-wave serial expander ----------> Kwikset z-wave door lock The reverse path would occur for door lock status. It should be possible as long as the ISY Elk Module has the ability to select the "port" on the Elk which the text string is sent to or received from.
Teken Posted February 6, 2014 Posted February 6, 2014 Ah I get it! If this could be done this would be a huge thing for those wanting to pursue this endeavour. Let's wait for Michel to reply back and see if this can be done. Teken . . . Encrypted By: Phoenix Security Solutions
Michel Kohanim Posted February 7, 2014 Posted February 7, 2014 Hello everyone, Unfortunately ISY does not have the capability of sending text to any ELK port except for the display. The reason is that for display, the behavior is pretty well defined. For the other port, it would be a support nightmare trying to figure out why an attached device does not work based on the given text. With kind regards, Michel
dano Posted February 8, 2014 Posted February 8, 2014 Chris with UD also provided the folllowing suggestion that sounds like it would be a solution: "It may be possible to control the lock by having ISY set an Elk output (e.g. 1 - Unlock, 2 - Lock, 3 - Query) and then having Elk rules send the appropriate text message. To set the status for ISY, another Elk rule could read the text messages from Z-Wave and set a different Elk output indicating whether the door is locked or unlocked." I also found out that Kwikset makes a Smartkey signature series deadbolts with either z-wave or zigbee. Michel informed me the support for zigbee locks is not available at this time but UD could add it to the ISY if there's enough demand.
Teken Posted February 8, 2014 Posted February 8, 2014 Please add me as a person very interested in Zigbee lock support! Teken . . . Encrypted By: Phoenix Security Solutions
rniles Posted February 18, 2014 Author Posted February 18, 2014 Hello Michel Kohanim, Sorry delay respond, was so busy, now i have time. I am still new with ISY, still learning! First, I was thought about to get Zigbee Smart meter but i havent get chance to buy one yet, and heard that we are now support Z-wave. I was so exciting since I want control all my doors unlock/lock through ISY. I have ISY-994iZ/IR Pro. Finally - I got Z-wave (Daughter board) and installed to my ISY. I did took out part out of ISY, and install Zwave board (Plugged in bottom of ISY). I did installed my Kwikset 910 Smartcode Keyless Entry Deadbolt With Z-Wave Chip, Everything is all installed and ready to go. Then I did open up admin on my ISY and upgraded firmware - ISY 994i Series including Z-Wave Support. - Reboot ISY Using Window 7, Java Version 7 Update 51, Firmware: 4.1.2, UI: 4.1.2 and bought Z-Wave (21100) through Purchased Modules for $1.00. I did open up my ISY, then click on "Add Z-Wave Device" - It is popped up box "Add a device to the Z-wave network" and listening for Zwave devices to add to the network", I did walked to my door lock press button "B" one click, came back show still listening for past 10 min. I did click internal antenna, external antenna with unplug power, plug back in, still same issue. Unable to add Z-wave devices. ISY board - is about 1 feet away from door lock. How can we resolve this? I am look forward to make it work.
Michel Kohanim Posted February 18, 2014 Posted February 18, 2014 Hi rniles, Would you please open Tools | Diagnostics | Event Viewer, change the level to 3, retry including your door lock and then save send the contents of the Event Viewer to support@universal-devices.com? With kind regards, Michel
rniles Posted February 18, 2014 Author Posted February 18, 2014 Sent Email, also added this. Mon 02/17/2014 11:53:54 PM : [ZWAVE-TX-NR ] [0105004A810332] Mon 02/17/2014 11:53:54 PM : [uZW-CMD 1 ] [Message cmd.1] Mon 02/17/2014 11:53:54 PM : [ZWAVE-RX ] ACK Mon 02/17/2014 11:53:54 PM : [ZWAVE-RX ] [0107004A03010000]... Mon 02/17/2014 11:53:54 PM : [ZWAVE-TX ] ACK Mon 02/17/2014 11:53:54 PM : Listening for Z-Wave devices to add to the network Mon 02/17/2014 11:54:04 PM : [ZWAVE-RX ] [0107004A03020000]... Mon 02/17/2014 11:54:04 PM : [ZWAVE-TX ] ACK Mon 02/17/2014 11:54:07 PM : [ZWAVE-RX ] [0107004A03070000]... Mon 02/17/2014 11:54:07 PM : [ZWAVE-TX ] ACK Mon 02/17/2014 11:54:07 PM : Adding Z-Wave devices stopped Mon 02/17/2014 11:54:07 PM : [ZWAVE-TX ] [01030020DC] Mon 02/17/2014 11:54:07 PM : [ZWAVE-RX ] ACK Mon 02/17/2014 11:54:07 PM : [ZWAVE-RX ] [010801201A83C817]... Mon 02/17/2014 11:54:07 PM : [ZWAVE-TX ] ACK Mon 02/17/2014 11:54:08 PM : [ZWAVE-TX ] [01030005F9] Mon 02/17/2014 11:54:08 PM : [ZWAVE-RX ] ACK Mon 02/17/2014 11:54:08 PM : [ZWAVE-RX ] [0104010528D7] Mon 02/17/2014 11:54:08 PM : [ZWAVE-TX ] ACK Mon 02/17/2014 11:54:14 PM : FYP: Connecting to http://flexyourpower.s3.amazonaws.com/b ... status.xml
PurdueGuy Posted February 18, 2014 Posted February 18, 2014 Try excluding the lock first. It could be in an old Z-Wave network you had, or in an old Z-Wave network from being tested at the factory.
atmarosi Posted February 19, 2014 Posted February 19, 2014 I'm having the same trouble with Baldwin Z-Wave locks :/ Any good news coming on the Z-Wave front?
Michel Kohanim Posted February 20, 2014 Posted February 20, 2014 Hello atmarosi, All issues we have dealt with thus far have either been firmware mismatch (you need 4.1.2) or range. Please make sure you have 4.1.2 installed and, exclude it first, and then include it while close to ISY. With kind regards, Michel
atmarosi Posted February 20, 2014 Posted February 20, 2014 I ran into issues after a fresh install...I've reset the Zwave dongle since but not sure how to exclude the lock....
Michel Kohanim Posted February 20, 2014 Posted February 20, 2014 Hi atmarosi, Z-Wave | Remove/Exclude a Z-Wave Device menu item. Can you verify that your firmware is indeed 4.1.2 or above (Help | About)? With kind regards, Michel
atmarosi Posted February 20, 2014 Posted February 20, 2014 I attached a screen shot of the following: Help -> About Screen after adding, and attempting to sync' Z-Wave deadbolt (Baldwin) I have also attached a log of the sync output; let me know if you need anything else to help troubleshoot! Thanks Michel! ISY-Events-Log.v4.1.2__Wed 2014.02.19 22.06.33.txt
Michel Kohanim Posted February 20, 2014 Posted February 20, 2014 Hi atmarosi, I am not sure what you are trying to achieve by Synching. That's not what we should do. Instead, please do the following (step by step): 1. Z-Wave | Exclude/remove a Z-Wave Device ... once you see the dialog, use the instructions from your device to exclude it from ISY 2. Remove the node from ISY (if it's not automatically removed) 3. Z-Wave | Include a Z-Wave device With kind regards, Michel
atmarosi Posted February 20, 2014 Posted February 20, 2014 Do i need to run the Z-Wave -> Sync to get the item added to the ISY screen following the linking process?
Xathros Posted February 20, 2014 Posted February 20, 2014 No. your new ZWave device should appear at the top of the tree as soon as the Linking window is disappears. -Xathros
atmarosi Posted February 20, 2014 Posted February 20, 2014 Removed the failed device, excluded it, and then re-attempted to add it; attached is the log output explaining the failure. Thanks for the help! ISY-Events-Log.v4.1.2__Thu 2014.02.20 14.27.40.txt
Recommended Posts