Xathros Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Hello all, We will use SmartHome firmware without modifications. With kind regards, Michel I guess the main question here is: Will Smarthome (and UDI as a result) adopt the version/changes that are mentioned above as production firmware going forward or is this our only chance to get a PLM that does not suffer from the All-On bug? -Xathros Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michel Kohanim Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Hi Xathros, Yes, we'll make sure of it. With kind regards, Michel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xathros Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Excellent! Thats what I needed to hear. -Xathros Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WayneW Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Hello all, We will use SmartHome firmware without modifications. With kind regards, Michel Will the ISY PLM have flashable firmware? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teken Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Will the ISY PLM have flashable firmware?This is something SH would have to do. In another related thread it was stated a Insteon support member is willing to flash any members PLM to the latest build for this issue. Encrypted By: Phoenix Security Solutions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayy Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Just discovered this thread and I must admit that I'm happy that I'm finally not alone! For months now I've been having a similar issue with my iolincs on the garage doors. Where randomly, about once or twice a month... the garage doors (2) would open simultaneously for no apparent reason. The iolinc is triggered soley by an 8 button keypadlinc in which the main load was triggered by an insteon motion sensor. I also have a second keypadlinc upstairs that is a responder only - keys light up to tell me if the garage is open or not. On the second keypadlinc, the main load is also tied to a motion sensor, but this one is an elk sensor. Here's where my case differs from the situations reported here, I've noticed that during those instances when the garage doors open randomly; that the event is usually after the elk motion sensor has been triggered and it appears that an ALL OFF command has been sent to a number of devices in the network... as I've noticed other lights going off. My iolinc relay has been set to respond to both ON and OFF commands. I've recently removed the motion triggered event from the mainfloor keypadlinc, so now it's only the second floor keypadlinc that is still tied to a motion triggered event, albeit, it is only a responder to the garage door relay. I still experience the doors opening randomly. As I've just discovered this thread, I just recently add the 3 sec delay to the motion sensor program as Michel has suggested. I'm waiting to see if it happens again. My question is, the newer PLMs are shipping with firmware version 1C. Does anyone know if this will rectify the issue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeG Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 That is the PLM hardware level believed to address the 2 yr + PLM failure. Click Tools | Diagnostics | PLM Info/ Status to get the PLM firmware which is likely v.9B that does not have an All On resolution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayy Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 That is the PLM hardware level believed to address the 2 yr + PLM failure. Click Tools | Diagnostics | PLM Info/ Status to get the PLM firmware which is likely v.9B that does not have an All On resolution. Thanks. I should have added that yes, my current PLM is v.9B. So to confirm, v.1C has the resolution for the ALL ON issue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeG Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 "So to confirm, v.1C has the resolution for the ALL ON issue?" NO. The hardware (v.1C) was updated for other reasons. The PLM firmware v.9B has seen the All On symptom. Your All Off does not track with this topic although it could be the same issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teken Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 "So to confirm, v.1C has the resolution for the ALL ON issue?" NO. The hardware (v.1C) was updated for other reasons. The PLM firmware v.9B has seen the All On symptom. Your All Off does not track with this topic although it could be the same issue. I do recall at least two other members indicating they too had ALL OFF issues. As far as I am aware they have not posted back that their issue has persisted. I think its fair to say the major problem for the majority of people is the ALL ON vs ALL OFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo.Automates Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 I just received my new PLM which is hardware version 2.0, but the firmware is v9E, even though I emailed SH and asked if this would be the latest hardware and firmware and was assured that it was. I needed to get a new one since my current one is V1.A hardware V9B firmware was approaching it's two years and I didn't want it to die during the holidays. I had never experienced the all on issue with my previous one, but now I'm worried I might with the new one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian H Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 The hardware 2.0 is reported to have the power supply failures corrected and I believe v9E is the 'all on' firmware fix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bert2013 Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 Just to report my experience: I had my first "all light on" event :yesterday My PLM is 4 year old: v1.A hardware (from the back of the PLM), V9B firmware (as reported by ISY994i) Just some basic questions... These threads assume that the problem for the "all lights on" issue is firmware and/or hardware. Is there consensus on that? I was assuming electrical noise of some sort, of which there is a lot in all our houses... UPS, lots of power adapters, different phases/sub-panels, motors starting, fluorescent lights, TVs. Should I blame the PLM instead? Thanks, Bert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michel Kohanim Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 Hi Bert, Thank you. Do you have any programs that change the backlight of a KPL based on some other event? With kind regards, Michel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bert2013 Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 Michel, Yes, I do have programs that change the button lights of a KeyPadLinc. I use scenes with just the keypad button in it: scnene name = Guest-hall-light-on-feedback content of scene = "Keypad1.B" that are set/unset via programs like this: If Status 'Downstairs / Hall / Hall-inFoyer' is not Off Or Status 'Downstairs / Hall / Hall-Bath' is not Off Or Status 'Downstairs / Hall / Hall-studio' is not Off Then Set Scene 'MasterBed-KeypadLinc / Guest-hall-light-on-feedback' On Else Set Scene 'MasterBed-KeypadLinc / Guest-hall-light-on-feedback' Off Is there a known problem with doing that? Is there a workaround? Thanks Bert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michel Kohanim Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 Hi Bert, Thank you. Please put a 2 second delay before Set Scene ... Also, do you have ELK? With kind regards, Michel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bert2013 Posted December 25, 2014 Share Posted December 25, 2014 Michel, I don't have ELK. I assume you suggest to put a 2 sec delay to compensate of the slowness of the ISY program execution and any race conditions that might occur. I solve that with programs like this: If - No Conditions - (To add one, press 'Schedule' or 'Condition') Then Repeat 10 times Run Program 'set-upstairs-lights-feedback' (If) Run Program 'set-downstairs-lights-feedback' (If) Run Program 'set-outdoor-lights-feedback' (If) Run Program 'set-guest-lights-feedback' (If) Wait 1 second Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') Back to the initial issue: Do KeyPadLinc programs increase the chance of an all-lights-on event? Thanks, Bert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michel Kohanim Posted December 26, 2014 Share Posted December 26, 2014 Hi Bert, No, not at all. This has nothing to do with ISY. This has to do with network traffic and how PLM and KPLs respond to it. With kind regards, Michel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMR Rudy Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 folks I have a current PLM, just purchased about 2 weeks ago. Rev is 2.0. I am still experiencing all on events. This was upgraded from my older PLM V1.A. Still looking into what is causing this. Any suggestions would be helpful Rudy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michel Kohanim Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 Hi Rudy, Can you please send your logs to support@universal-devices.com and let me know the approximate date and time when you last experienced the event? With kind regards, Michel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMR Rudy Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Michel, I have forwarded an email to tech support as requested. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michel Kohanim Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Hi TMR Rudy, Thank you. I haven't received it. Can you please resend? With kind regards, Michel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMR Rudy Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Folks, just had another all on event occur. Today at 10:23 p.m. est. This is with the new PLM 2.0 Rev. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stusviews Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Yet another ALL ON. Nothing in the logs appeared unusual. Nothing seemed to be the trigger. KPL secondary buttons were unaffected. Lighting that was already on ramped to 100% which suggests that the All On is actually a Fast On. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teken Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Yet another ALL ON. Nothing in the logs appeared unusual. Nothing seemed to be the trigger. KPL secondary buttons were unaffected. Lighting that was already on ramped to 100% which suggests that the All On is actually a Fast On. I wonder how many people are having this issue with a 99 Series Controller? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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