Zwave Exclusion/inclusion

[Nestor]

New purchaser of an ISY994 IZWIRPRO here. I've been running a Vera Lite and found if I simply delete the device from the VL, it can't be added to the ISY. I finally figured out that I had to re-include the device to the VL, then do an orderly un-pairing. After that, the ISY snapped it up easily.

This leads me a troubling question. If the paired controller were to die, how does a new ISY take over if the device requires un-pairing from the previous controller?

The devices in question were GE Jasco light switches and dimmers.

[Xathros]

Hi Nestor-

 

You can do the exclude of your previously used in Vera devices at the ISY.  Simply exclude first, then include. Same with any zwave device previously linked to any controller (including the ISY)

 

Hope that helps.

 

-Xathros

[Nestor]

Hi Nestor-

 

You can do the exclude of your previously used in Vera devices at the ISY.  Simply exclude first, then include. Same with any zwave device previously linked to any controller (including the ISY)

 

Hope that helps.

 

-Xathros

I gave it a try and the ISY effectively "stole" a Zwave light swtich from the Vera and included it in its own network. Since my Vera is still in operation as I transition, it still showed up in VL device list. I simply deleted it without unpairing.

 

I guess on can conclude that the inclusion/exclusion protocol is a cross-controller Zwave standard. Good to know!

 

 

Thanks!

[Xathros]

Anytime.  Happy to help.

 

Also, I have found it necessary to first exclude even brand new never linked devices before the ISY would include them.  Now I always just exclude then include.

 

-Xathros

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You should always exclude first and then include, that's standard z-wave practice and nothing to do with the ISY.  You don't need to exclude on the original controller being the Vera, you can do it from the ISY.  Putting any controller (being the ISY in this case) into exclusion mode and then pressing the command on the switch or device to include/exclude, basically tells it to forget all networks it has joined.  Then you do an include and it will add it.  Most won't add if you don't exclude first, even though oddly most manuals don't tell you to exclude first.  Again it's not unique to the ISY, Vera is the same, you must exclude first.  The Veralite still showed it because you didn't remove it from the Vera directly, however if you had tried to control it, it most likely wouldn't have worked and would have given errors about being unable to communicate with it.

 

You can make the Vera a secondary controller which I thought was cool as then devices are on both of them for redundancy, but unfortunately if you use the Vera as secondary, changing a device on it does not update it on the ISY and vice versa, so they never know the status of each others devices.

 

Not a huge deal though as the Vera is a piece of garbage.  I just wish there were plugins for ISY like there are with Vera.  Spent awhile trying to find a way to make Sonos work with the ISY through all the hacking required, just to see that there's Sonos, Squeezebox etc plugins all for the Vera that provide full control etc.   I've heard also ImperiHome is coming to iOS, their website said end of 2014.  It's Vera only plus some others like Hue, but android only, but is SO much better than MobiLinc that it almost makes it worth keeping a Vera around JUST for that.