Scottmichaelj Posted May 19, 2015 Posted May 19, 2015 (edited) A while back there was a post similar titled "How to use vehicle garage door buttons with ISY?" however this post has been archived. http://forum.universal-devices.com/topic/8848-how-to-use-vehicle-garage-door-buttons-with-isy/My goal is to ARM AWAY MODE/DISARM the ELK panel direct from the HomeLink button in my car. I am not trying to actually control the garage door to open and close (although that would be nice too) - I have a Liftmaster #8550 garage door opener. Additionally I have an Elk panel (plus ISY Module), as well as a Insteon IOLinc #2450 and Liftmaster 635LM (with garage door opener/remote) - So I am guessing the 635LM wires get connected to the IOLinc N/O & COM connections? What should the IOLinc "options be set to"? I do hear the 635LM click on each time I press the remote so I know they are communicating fine. I just can't get the IOLinc to respond correctly. Sorry I am just a bit confused and been playing with it a couple hours this afternoon and I can't seem to figure it out. Not to mention I haven't gotten to the programming it to the ISY. Then there is also the need to get the HomeLink to work with the Security 2.0+ receiver! Thanks in advance for the help/response I do appreciate it. Edited May 19, 2015 by huddadudda
stusviews Posted May 19, 2015 Posted May 19, 2015 Homelink is not compatible with Inseon (nor Z-Wave nor ZigBee). It is compatible with X10, so you can use an X10 module. HomeLink is also compatible with Liftmaster, so the I/O Linc is not required unless you want Inseton control of the garage door, too.
Scottmichaelj Posted May 19, 2015 Author Posted May 19, 2015 Homelink is not compatible with Inseon (nor Z-Wave nor ZigBee). It is compatible with X10, so you can use an X10 module. HomeLink is also compatible with Liftmaster, so the I/O Linc is not required unless you want Inseton control of the garage door, too. My understanding is the HomeLink works with the Liftmaster 635LM. Then connect the Liftmaster to a IOLinc to get the "message" (on/off commands?) to the ISY which I can use to create my program? Am I missing something here? How would the ISY get the Liftmaster messages without an IOLinc installed?
stusviews Posted May 19, 2015 Posted May 19, 2015 I use both HomeLink and an I/O Linc to operate the door and perform tasks related to the door movement. That's not a problem. But you indicated that, My goal is to ARM AWAY MODE/DISARM the ELK panel direct from the HomeLink button in my car. I am not trying to actually control the garage door to open and close My recommendation was directed at that concern. You could also wire a Liftmaster light switch to a Mini Module which would, in turn, send an Insteon signal
Scottmichaelj Posted May 21, 2015 Author Posted May 21, 2015 So can anyone help me specifically with this? IE Click the HomeLink button in the car and arm/disarm the alarm? Cant figure out how to do this with the Liftmaster 635LM. The 635LM is being used solely for the purpose of Homelink to arm/disarm. I still have another HomeLink button to control my garage door via the HomeLink Repeater Kit https://secure.homelink.com/homelink-repeater-kit-detail- I thought using a 635LM I could trigger an monetary open/close (or on/off) that the IOLinc or something else could identify to then trigger a program.
Scottmichaelj Posted May 21, 2015 Author Posted May 21, 2015 (edited) I use both HomeLink and an I/O Linc to operate the door and perform tasks related to the door movement. That's not a problem. But you indicated that, My recommendation was directed at that concern. You could also wire a Liftmaster light switch to a Mini Module which would, in turn, send an Insteon signal So are you saying use an actual Homelink "Remote Lamp Control"? (https://secure.homelink.com/remote-lamp-control-detail) Then using the Homelink button in the car that would turn on/off the remote lamp control, but how would the ISY know the status so you could write the rule? Edited May 21, 2015 by huddadudda
stusviews Posted May 21, 2015 Posted May 21, 2015 The ISY would not be aware of the Homelink lamp controller. But, you could connect a Homelink or a Liftmaster light switch to a Micro Module and the ISY can respond to the Micro Module.
Teken Posted May 22, 2015 Posted May 22, 2015 I know it's a nice feature to have for ones daily life. But integrating your homes security system into a stationary object is just asking for trouble. This is like the separation of church and state. There's a reason why it was set that way because it ensures conflicts and abuse of power could not impact one another. This is why sometimes I really cringe at how this whole HA is being advertised and used by the masses. It's simply going to be a disaster waiting to happen. Ideals are peaceful - History is violent
G W Posted May 23, 2015 Posted May 23, 2015 This is like the separation of church and state. There's a reason why it was set that way because it ensures conflicts and abuse of power could not impact one another. In the U.S. there is no such separation. That's why Apple is able to screw up so much.
Teken Posted May 23, 2015 Posted May 23, 2015 In the U.S. there is no such separation. That's why Apple is able to screw up so much. LOL . . . ️ Ideals are peaceful - History is violent
larryllix Posted May 23, 2015 Posted May 23, 2015 .... This is like the separation of church and state. .... Is this V5 new variable type? Can't we just use the same style and use a $cXXXXXX prefix to keep them separate?
Scottmichaelj Posted June 5, 2015 Author Posted June 5, 2015 The ISY would not be aware of the Homelink lamp controller. But, you could connect a Homelink or a Liftmaster light switch to a Micro Module and the ISY can respond to the Micro Module. So I would put the micro module inside the electrical box then use the "sense" wire to control the ISY program? The frustrating thing about this whole thing is how something that is seems so easy to be able to be done has been such a PITA! All I wanna do is when I leave the house I want to arm/disarm the alarm easily. I can do it via the mobilinc app but it doesnt handoff from wifi to lte very well so there is delays. I have to turn on my phone, unlock it, swipe up to turn off wifi, open the app and then arm the alarm. I could get a mini insteon remote but then thats another thing to get lost/broken in the car. I thought about an app that an icon on the today screen but you have to pay for mobilinc connect for that feature (I dont need the others) or using ctrlhome but loose my jailbreak as it only works with iOS 8.3, which I like for a hotspot on my iphone with my grandfathered unlimited plan. So I thought the Liftmaster 635LM with homelink would work but the 636LM doesnt play well with the IOLinc route I was planning. I have an RTI XP6 processor on my remote control system with relays but again issues with the 635LM not doing a traditional open/close. IFTTT maybe somehow? A "DO" button? A url shortcut on my homescreen or using the launcher app? Any help/ideas would be appreciated. Not too concerned about the issue of it being "secure" as I do have PUSHOVER notifications whenever the system is armed/disarmed I know.
stusviews Posted June 5, 2015 Posted June 5, 2015 So I would put the micro module inside the electrical box then use the "sense" wire to control the ISY program? Yes. HomeLink can turn on (or off) the Liftmaster light switch and the switch, in turn, controls the Micro Module.
Scottmichaelj Posted June 5, 2015 Author Posted June 5, 2015 Yes. HomeLink can turn on (or off) the Liftmaster light switch and the switch, in turn, controls the Micro Module. Still seems like a bit of a hassle. Wish there was an easier way. Now this means I have to buy another thing to try. I wonder if a HomeLink garage door receiver with an IOLinc would be easier.
stusviews Posted June 5, 2015 Posted June 5, 2015 Garage door devices are momentary and do not distinguish between open and closed. Send a signal, open-send another signal, close. So, even if you don't use it to operate the garage door, how will it distinguish between on (arm) and off (disarm)? And, it also means buying another thing to try.
Scottmichaelj Posted June 5, 2015 Author Posted June 5, 2015 (edited) Garage door devices are momentary and do not distinguish between open and closed. Send a signal, open-send another signal, close. So, even if you don't use it to operate the garage door, how will it distinguish between on (arm) and off (disarm)? And, it also means buying another thing to try.If you look at the thread url I posted in my first post this looks like it was possible with an IOLinc. As for arming, I was going to use variables for arm/disarm. You dont think that would work? Arm set variable 1, if variable 1 set to 0 and disarm...no? Edited June 5, 2015 by huddadudda
stusviews Posted June 5, 2015 Posted June 5, 2015 The goal is to go from Homelink to Insteon. It really doesn't matter which two devices you use to send the Insteon signal (i.e., a Homelink device that triggers an Insteon device that sends an Insteon signal).
Xathros Posted June 5, 2015 Posted June 5, 2015 I thought about an app that an icon on the today screen but you have to pay for mobilinc connect for that feature (I dont need the others) or using ctrlhome but loose my jailbreak as it only works with iOS 8.3, which I like for a hotspot on my iphone with my grandfathered unlimited plan. If your on iOS 8.2 or later, you can do exactly that with the free CtrlHome app listed here on the forums. You would need to use some state vars to interface to your programs but it's quite simple to do. -Xathros
Scottmichaelj Posted June 5, 2015 Author Posted June 5, 2015 If your on iOS 8.2 or later, you can do exactly that with the free CtrlHome app listed here on the forums. You would need to use some state vars to interface to your programs but it's quite simple to do. -Xathros Sorry Im on 8.1.1 and cant upgrade as there is no jailbreak. I need jailbreak for hotspot on my grandfathered unlimited data plan. Otherwise hotspot via ATT I lose unlimited data and pay more per month. Guess I just stop being a tightwad and pay Mobilinc $30 for the year so I can have the icon on my today screen and hope something happens in a year that changes it. IOLinc instructions say not to feed more than 5V into it and I think the 635LM is 14V
Xathros Posted June 5, 2015 Posted June 5, 2015 Sorry Im on 8.1.1 and cant upgrade as there is no jailbreak. I need jailbreak for hotspot on my grandfathered unlimited data plan. Otherwise hotspot via ATT I lose unlimited data and pay more per month. Guess I just stop being a tightwad and pay Mobilinc $30 for the year so I can have the icon on my today screen and hope something happens in a year that changes it. IOLinc instructions say not to feed more than 5V into it and I think the 635LM is 14V I remember now. You mentioned that previously. Sorry. As for the 14V to IOLinc, Pick up a 12VDC relay and drive that with the 14V and use the relay's NO contacts to run to the IOLinc input. -Xathros
Scottmichaelj Posted June 5, 2015 Author Posted June 5, 2015 (edited) You know Elk has a relay board (924) I was thinking about picking up and then see if that would work with a zone and directly arm/disarm the system. http://www.elkproducts.com/product-catalog/elk-924-sensitive-relay Edited June 5, 2015 by huddadudda
oberkc Posted June 5, 2015 Posted June 5, 2015 I looked into this a while back. My recollection was that there was (at one point) a homelink "base station" which received the RF signal, then sent X-10 commands to responder modules. Another recollection was homelink kits in cars can be trained to transmit X-10 signals, if one has an X-10 RF remote. If true, then train the car to send an X-10 signal to an X-10 transciever, and trigger actions from that via ISY. To be fair, I never did confirm this first hand (at the time, did not have a car with this capability) but it sure seemed intriguing. Now that I have cars with this, I should look into these kinds of options again.
Scottmichaelj Posted June 5, 2015 Author Posted June 5, 2015 (edited) Black and Decker has the Freewire but now your back to X10 and possibly flakey system again. In the past I had one to do something (forget now) then gave it away to someone here on the forum. As for the 635LM on the Elk relay its always N/O - so hoping that it would be sensitive enough to see the trigger and work. Its not too expensive so I may take Xathros advice and try that. Edited June 5, 2015 by huddadudda
Scottmichaelj Posted June 19, 2015 Author Posted June 19, 2015 (edited) So I got frustrated with this but circled back to it today and got it working with the garage receiver and an IOLInc. I probably should have just bought a "HomeLink Receiver" instead of the MyQ Security+ Liftmaster 635LM Receiver. I still may as it required one extra step of using the HomeLink converter remote (which I had) to convert the Security+ remote code to a HomeLink one for programming the HomeLink buttons in the car. So on the I took the two connections from the Liftmaster and plugged them into the "Ground" and "Sense" connections on the IOLinc. Under the IOLinc options I selected "Momentary C: Trigger based on sensor input". I then tested to make sure the "sense" on the IOLinc worked and it did. I then wrote the following two programs: Program #1 HomeLink Arm Alarm - [iD 0027][Parent 0007] If Elk Area 'Home' 'Armed State' is Disarmed And Status 'GDR-Sensor' is On Then Set Elk Area 'Home' Arm Away Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') Program #2 HomeLink Disarm Alarm - [iD 002A][Parent 0007] If Elk Area 'Home' 'Armed State' is Armed Away And Status 'GDR-Sensor' is On Then Set Elk Area 'Home' Disarm Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') I tried to get it to HOLD "ON" then turn off but the ISY doesn't seem auto query the sensor to realize its back to the "Off" after my set time limit and using Momentary A so I went this route. I do have Pushover sending me notifications when the Alarm is Armed/Disarmed so while its not fool proof I would somewhat know as long as I had my phone. Any thoughts how to strengthen this program or adjustments feel free to post I would love the input. If anyone else is looking to do this, it is possible and hopefully this thread/post will help someone in the future. Edited June 19, 2015 by huddadudda
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