Moving primary controller from minimote to ISY994i ZW Pro

[lotsofdevs]

I am having a hard time getting my new ISY994i ZW PRO all set up. I am on the latest firmware. One of my problems is that I have move the primary controller to a minimote (mostly to add more distance devices), but then I am unable to "learn" the changes back.

 

Here is what I am doing:

 

in ISY: select Z-Wave => Receive (Learn Mode)

 

A dialog pops up notifying me that the system is not in Z-Wave Learn Mode (Listening in Z-Wave Learn Mode)

 

Next, I press the include and remove buttons on the minimote until both lights blink. But as soon as I let go, the lights stop blinking. 

 

If I pretty both buttons longer, then the lights (after blinking) stay both on, and after a second or so, only the red light stays on  and it turns off after approx. 2 seconds (indicating failure?) . Nothing happens in the ISY console.

 

I am about 3-6 feet from the ISY. The ISY is under my desk and I am sitting at my desk.

 

[Michel Kohanim]

Hi lotsofdevs,

 

Are you certain that there's a network in your mini-mote?

 

What does this mean?

"A dialog pops up notifying me that the system is not in Z-Wave Learn Mode (Listening in Z-Wave Learn Mode)" ...

 

With kind regards,

Michel

[lotsofdevs]

sorry... typo... remove "not". ... not sure how that got here. Anyway. I now started from scratch (still figuring out the ISY device). Will see what happens next time I try this.

[asbril]

This is what I get repeatedly when trying to add the mini mote :

 

Sat 09/10/2016 06:26:06 PM : Listening for Z-Wave devices to add to the network

 

Sat 09/10/2016 06:26:11 PM : Z-Wave device detected, retrieving info 2

 

Sat 09/10/2016 06:26:13 PM : Z-Wave device detected, retrieving info 4

 

Sat 09/10/2016 06:26:27 PM : Adding Z-Wave devices stopped

 

Sat 09/10/2016 06:26:27 PM : Z-Wave device detected, retrieving info 7

 

 

Can anyone give me advise on what to do ?

[Michel Kohanim]

Hi asbril,

 

You are on 5.0.4, correct?

 

With kind regards,

Michel

[asbril]

Hi asbril,

 

You are on 5.0.4, correct?

 

With kind regards,

Michel

Indeed Michel, 5.04 

[Chris Jahn]

Sat 09/10/2016 06:26:27 PM : Z-Wave device detected, retrieving info 7

 

The return code '7' as show above indicates that the Z-Wave layer could not add the device to the network.  This problem usually occurs if there are communication errors between the two devices.  I would try recharging the battery in the minimote, exclude it from ISY,  factory reset the minimote, and then try adding it again.

[asbril]

Sat 09/10/2016 06:26:27 PM : Z-Wave device detected, retrieving info 7

 

The return code '7' as show above indicates that the Z-Wave layer could not add the device to the network.  This problem usually occurs if there are communication errors between the two devices.  I would try recharging the battery in the minimote, exclude it from ISY,  factory reset the minimote, and then try adding it again.

 

Thanks Chris (as always)  I will try and post results

[asbril]

Chris,

 

This is what I got now. The minimote appears but it does not respond when I press any of the minimote buttion

 

 

Mon 09/12/2016 12:36:17 PM : Listening for Z-Wave devices to add to the network

 

Mon 09/12/2016 12:36:22 PM : Z-Wave device detected, retrieving info 2

 

Mon 09/12/2016 12:36:23 PM : Z-Wave device detected, retrieving info 4

 

Mon 09/12/2016 12:36:26 PM : Z-Wave device detected, retrieving info 5

 

Mon 09/12/2016 12:36:27 PM : Adding Z-Wave devices stopped

 

Mon 09/12/2016 12:36:27 PM : Device 75 of type 1.1.1 included into Z-Wave network

 

Mon 09/12/2016 12:36:28 PM : Adding ISY node(s) for new Z-Wave device 75 type 1.1.1

 

Mon 09/12/2016 12:36:28 PM : Adding additional nodes for new Z-Wave device 75

 

Mon 09/12/2016 12:36:44 PM : [ZWAVE-WAKEUP  75] Awake with no pending work, put back to sleep ZW075_1

 

Mon 09/12/2016 12:36:44 PM : [ZWAVE-WAKEUP  75] Awake with no pending work, put back to sleep ZW075_1

 

Mon 09/12/2016 12:36:44 PM : [ZWAVE-WAKEUP  75] Awake with no pending work, put back to sleep ZW075_1

[Chris Jahn]

Hi Asbril,

 

You can add the minimote as a controller to your Z-Wave network, but there is a bug with the automatic associations we make so the buttons will likely not work until that is fixed.

[DroidCo]

Is this bug such that I can't use the minimote to control an X-10 device? All I need is several X-10 devices to be controlled by Z-wave remotes like this minimoote and the GE Wireless keypad Controller.

[asbril]

Hi Asbril,

 

You can add the minimote as a controller to your Z-Wave network, but there is a bug with the automatic associations we make so the buttons will likely not work until that is fixed.

Thanks Chris. I will just wait for the mythical 5.05 that apparently will be the solution for all our troubles. Maybe it even resolves Miami traffic and the meaning of life !   Just kidding.... we know you guys are working hard (and we appreciate) but we are all anxious !

[DroidCo]

Hate to sound pitiful, but is there anything I can control with these z-wave remotes? Is there an older FW version that might give me any basic control? I can't use the x-10 buttons I already have and I am not going to spend any money on that Insteon junk.

[larryllix]

Hate to sound pitiful, but is there anything I can control with these z-wave remotes? Is there an older FW version that might give me any basic control? I can't use the x-10 buttons I already have and I am not going to spend any money on that Insteon junk.

OUCH!

 

"Insteon junk" could be very insulting to many of us here. After reading the woes of other protocols for about two years, I find the Insteon devices much better quality, and more reliable than most.

 

Please tell me it was a generalised term like "Insteon stuff", used loosely,  or why you would have such a negative idea of the Insteon quality.

[Chris Jahn]

Hate to sound pitiful, but is there anything I can control with these z-wave remotes? Is there an older FW version that might give me any basic control? I can't use the x-10 buttons I already have and I am not going to spend any money on that Insteon junk.

 

This minimote device does not use the standard Z-Wave mechanisms for managing scenes, but instead uses command parameters extensively for this purpose.  We may have some scene/button support for them in 5.0.5, but if not, it will definitely appear a build or two after that.

[DroidCo]

OUCH!

 

"Insteon junk" could be very insulting to many of us here. After reading the woes of other protocols for about two years, I find the Insteon devices much better quality, and more reliable than most.

 

Please tell me it was a generalised term like "Insteon stuff", used loosely,  or why you would have such a negative idea of the Insteon quality.

Sorry, just tired of wasting time trying to get the PLM 2413S to receive x-10 codes. I have already tried 4 PLMs and none have worked. The last one confirmed it is not the ISY because I get some reception, but most codes are dropped. My x-10 devices are working fine.

 

Since I have a substantial investment in x-10 equipment (no Insteon), I need x-10 to work or I will have to dump the ISY setup.

[larryllix]

Ahhhh. ..understand now. Should have been X10 junk

[DroidCo]

Well actually x-10 from SmartHome. Do I have any alternatives for x-10 support?

[MWareman]

X10 is extremely old, and died many years ago as far as support is concerned.

[Michel Kohanim]

Hi DroidCo,

 

Based on what you've outlined and the email I sent you from our contact at SmartHome, I think your X10 devices might actually be sending a variation of X10 protocol which the PLM dies not understand. If you send a command (say on or off) to any of your X10 devices, do they respond appropriately?

 

With kind regards,

Michel