Erroneus scene links

[Guest]

Hello,

 

On my ISY-99i, since I purchased it I have noticed odd operation.

 

When executing programs, scene commands seem to affect lighting that is not supposed to be in the scene.

 

For example, "Front_Door_scene" consists of a SwitchLinc and Keypad button "A". Locally, both of these work perfectly without strange operation.

 

However, triggering "Front_Door_scene" from a program will also turn on a different light not supposed to be in that scene, and not showing as part of the scene in the administrative console.

 

Any ideas?

 

Thanks

[Michel Kohanim]

Hello okane,

 

Two possibilities:

1. You chose the 3rd option which brought along existing links

2. Some of your devices are i2 which previous versions did not support

 

In both cases, please download the latest (2.6.13) and then do File->Restore Devices which, in effect, will remove all your links that are not recognized by ISY.

 

With kind regards,

Michel

 

Hello,

 

On my ISY-99i, since I purchased it I have noticed odd operation.

 

When executing programs, scene commands seem to affect lighting that is not supposed to be in the scene.

 

For example, "Front_Door_scene" consists of a SwitchLinc and Keypad button "A". Locally, both of these work perfectly without strange operation.

 

However, triggering "Front_Door_scene" from a program will also turn on a different light not supposed to be in that scene, and not showing as part of the scene in the administrative console.

 

Any ideas?

 

Thanks

[Guest]

Hi,

 

I have a rather complex setup. There are no existing links between the new scene I created and the devices that are linked incorrectly.

 

I even tried adding the erroneous devices so I could "remove" them from the scene later. It didn't work. Then I tried deleting the scene and making a new one. The erroneous links still exist.

 

I also tried restoring the involved devices with no luck.

 

What else can I try?

 

As a side note, how do I make a device both the controller and responder to a scene?

 

Thanks

 

Hello okane,

 

Two possibilities:

1. You chose the 3rd option which brought along existing links

2. Some of your devices are i2 which previous versions did not support

 

In both cases, please download the latest (2.6.13) and then do File->Restore Devices which, in effect, will remove all your links that are not recognized by ISY.

 

With kind regards,

Michel

 

Hello,

 

On my ISY-99i, since I purchased it I have noticed odd operation.

 

When executing programs, scene commands seem to affect lighting that is not supposed to be in the scene.

 

For example, "Front_Door_scene" consists of a SwitchLinc and Keypad button "A". Locally, both of these work perfectly without strange operation.

 

However, triggering "Front_Door_scene" from a program will also turn on a different light not supposed to be in that scene, and not showing as part of the scene in the administrative console.

 

Any ideas?

 

Thanks

[MikeB]

As a side note, how do I make a device both the controller and responder to a scene?

 

A controller is always a responder.

[ulrick65]

Did you upgrade to the latest release firmware 2.6.13 as Michel suggested? Also, once done with that, do a "Restore Devices" from the file menu...this will wipe out existing links and restore only the links that ISY is aware of. Did you do this yet?

[upstatemike]

Hello,

 

On my ISY-99i, since I purchased it I have noticed odd operation.

 

When executing programs, scene commands seem to affect lighting that is not supposed to be in the scene.

 

For example, "Front_Door_scene" consists of a SwitchLinc and Keypad button "A". Locally, both of these work perfectly without strange operation.

 

However, triggering "Front_Door_scene" from a program will also turn on a different light not supposed to be in that scene, and not showing as part of the scene in the administrative console.

 

Any ideas?

 

Thanks

 

Oktane-

 

Did you ever resolve this? I think some other folks (including me) are seeing similiar issues.

[Guest]

Sorry for not getting back to you sooner.

 

I am still struggling with this issue. My setup is complex, since I have Elk w/PLM, Powerhome w/PLM, and ISY-99 w/PLM.

 

Powerhome is the most versatile in managing links. If I inspect links, I see that the ISY-99 basically links itself to become a member of every single group on the Insteon network.

 

I am not sure how it assigns scene numbers, or if there is any correlation to the Insteon group number.

 

For example, ISY may show Scene #50 consisting of Front_Porch_Light and KL_A. This might be a different Insteon group #. However, Powerhome will show that Insteon group to actually also have Kitchen_Lights linked there.

 

Individually controlled, there are no issues using the ISY. However, using "scenes" where the group is referenced causes erroneous operation. If I activate Scene #50 from the ISY, it will turn on my Porch and Kitchen light, along with light up KL_A button.

 

The problem can only be corrected using Powerhome to manually delete the erroneous link to the Kitchen lights.

 

What's the solution to this? I have purged all devices of ISY PLM links, and now want the ISY to respider the network and regenerate scenes. I don't like the "Restore Devices" command, because it kills links to my Elk and Powerhome.

 

Is there a command to ONLY add the ISY PLM to each device, without altering other links?

 

Thanks

[Brian H]

Since ISY and Powerhome are both messing with the same PLM Link Table.

That could be the problem. Using two different programs to alter the same PLM is not a good idea.

 

Or did I read you post incorrectly and you have two PLM Modules and not trying to use the same for both setups?

[Michel Kohanim]

Oktane,

 

I am afraid you are reaching the limits of our expertise with multiple PLMs on the same network.

May I humbly ask why you need ELK-PLM? If you have M1XEP, then you can integrate with ISY seamlessly (bi-directional).

 

As far as PowerHome, I know it's an excellent product but I am not certain how these two should work together. Do you have a specific use case in mind? ISY was designed in such a way that you do NOT have to know about links, group numbers, removing/adding links, etc. As such, it would be very difficult for ISY to act like a PowerHome where you can selectively decide what links should be there and what links should not:

The linkages are captured and presented by nodes in the tree.

 

I am so very sorry I cannot be of further assistance,

 

With kind regards,

Michel

[Guest]

I have three PLMs total, one with each system. I suppose I don't need an ELK PLM. I need to play more with setting it up to work with the M1XEP. What's the quickest way to set this up?

 

The ISY is an excellent product, but Powerhome adds some more flexibility. I think the two complement each other nicely.

 

How are Scene numbers assigned in the ISY link tree? This could help with my debugging.

 

Thanks

[Michel Kohanim]

Hi oktane,

 

Setting up ELK is quite easy:

1. here's the documentation: http://forum.universal-devices.com/viewtopic.php?t=634

2. here's our ELK forum:

http://forum.universal-devices.com/viewforum.php?f=17

 

I am sure PowerHome adds some more flexibility ( I'm one of Dave's fans ). The issue is that ISY has never been tested with multiple PLMs and, as such, we wouldn't be able to provide you with accurate information.

 

ISY has a running tally of group numbers that may be used. So, it starts from 17 (PLMs have had some issues with lower group numbers) and goes all the way to 254 (255 is all on).

 

With kind regards,

Michel

I have three PLMs total, one with each system. I suppose I don't need an ELK PLM. I need to play more with setting it up to work with the M1XEP. What's the quickest way to set this up?

 

The ISY is an excellent product, but Powerhome adds some more flexibility. I think the two complement each other nicely.

 

How are Scene numbers assigned in the ISY link tree? This could help with my debugging.

 

Thanks

[Guest]

I still have not figured out a solution to this!

 

Does anyone have PowerHome and ISY playing together nicely?

 

 

 

Thanks