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3-way Switches with Motion Sensor

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Greetings,

 

I have “3-way” (2477D Insteon Dimmer) switches in my hallway that are cross linked and work well with two Cree LED’s in the ceiling light fixture. Below, are the programs i’m using for my Insteon Motion Sensor 2842-222 ( With Jumper #5 - as motion is sensed [X] - LED [X] ) Rev.2.6.  So far it last night it seems to function ok. 

 

  1. One issue is that it takes like 3 seconds to respond. That from the flash of the red sensor light until the light turns on.
  2. I think too it is necessary to manually turn on or turn off BOTH switches or the program can’t continue to function… (I’m not sure how 3-way wired instead switches with my ISY994i v4.0.5 — .v4.3.26) …while the lights on?

 

  1. The “Device Options for Hallway-Sensor” keeps getting a… [PLATFORM_ERRORS—10108]  when clicking options for sensor in ISY admin panel.

 

 

Thanks for any thoughts!

 

===============P1===================

Motion On Evening - [iD 0066][Parent 0062]

 

If

        From     5:00:00PM

        To      10:30:00PM (same day)

    And (

             Status  'Hallway-Sensor' is On

And Status  'Hallway-Sensor' is not Off

         And Status  'NorthHallway' is Off

         And Status  'SouthHallway' is Off

        )

 

Then

        Set 'NorthHallway' 99%

        Set 'SouthHallway' 99%

 

Else

   - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action')

 

 

 

 

================P2===================

Motion Off Evening - [iD 0067][Parent 0062]

 

If

        From     5:00:00PM

        To      10:30:00PM (same day)

    And (

             Status  'Hallway-Sensor' is Off

And Status  'Hallway-Sensor' is not On

         And Status  'NorthHallway' is 99%

         And Status  'SouthHallway' is 99%

        )

 

Then

        Set 'NorthHallway' Off

        Set 'SouthHallway' Off

 

Else

   - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action')

 

 

 

================P3==================

Motion On Night - [iD 0069][Parent 0062]

 

If

        From    10:31:00PM

        To       6:15:00AM (next day)

    And (

             Status  'Hallway-Sensor' is On

         And Status  'Hallway-Sensor' is not Off

         And Status  'NorthHallway' is Off

         And Status  'SouthHallway' is Off

        )

 

Then

        Set 'NorthHallway' 12%

        Set 'SouthHallway' 12%

 

Else

   - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action')

 

 

 

 

================P4=====================

Motion Off Night - [iD 0068][Parent 0062]

 

If

        From    10:31:00PM

        To       6:15:00AM (next day)

    And (

             Status  'Hallway-Sensor' is Off

         And Status  'Hallway-Sensor' is not On

         And Status  'NorthHallway' is 12%

         And Status  'SouthHallway' is 12%

        )

 

Then

        Set 'NorthHallway' Off

        Set 'SouthHallway' Off

 

Else

   - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action')

 

 

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jerlands Advanced

jerlands

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PLATFORM_ERRORS—10108 <<-- you might check Firmware and UI versions are the same (admin console > Help > About)

 

The delay may be caused by comm issues.  Open Event Viewer to Level 3, activate the motion sensor, copy to clipboard (clipboard looking icon lower toolbar) and paste trace into message post.

 

Also, I find for battery operated devices "status" is unreliable so tend to use "control."

 

 

Jon...

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Sat 03/12/2016 04:36:58 PM : [iNST-SRX    ] 02 50 37.C3.B2 00.00.01 CF 13 01    LTOFFRR(01)

Sat 03/12/2016 04:36:58 PM : [std-Group   ] 37.C3.B2-->Group=1, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=3
Sat 03/12/2016 04:36:58 PM : [  37 C3 B2 1]      DOF   1
Sat 03/12/2016 04:36:58 PM : [  37 C3 B2 1]       ST   0
Sat 03/12/2016 04:36:59 PM : [iNST-SRX    ] 02 50 37.C3.B2 00.00.01 CF 13 01    LTOFFRR(01)
Sat 03/12/2016 04:36:59 PM : [std-Group   ] 37.C3.B2-->Group=1, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=3
Sat 03/12/2016 04:36:59 PM : [iNST-DUP    ] Previous message ignored.
Sat 03/12/2016 04:36:59 PM : [iNST-SRX    ] 02 50 37.C3.B2 13.00.01 CF 06 00           (00)
Sat 03/12/2016 04:36:59 PM : [std-Group   ] 37.C3.B2-->13.00.01, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=3
Sat 03/12/2016 04:36:59 PM : [iNST-INFO   ] Previous message ignored.
Sat 03/12/2016 04:36:59 PM : [iNST-SRX    ] 02 50 37.C3.B2 13.00.01 CF 06 00           (00)
Sat 03/12/2016 04:36:59 PM : [std-Group   ] 37.C3.B2-->13.00.01, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=3
Sat 03/12/2016 04:36:59 PM : [iNST-INFO   ] Previous message ignored.
 
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FIRMWARE: Inssteon_UD994 v.4.0.5 (2013-05-24-15:26:20 )
 
UI: Instead_UD994 v.4.3.26 ( 2015-10-13-11:35:11 )

 

PRODUCT: ISY 994i (1120)

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jerlands Advanced

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Your comms look good > Max Hops=3, Hops Left=3

 

However your Firmware version and UI version should be the same.  I suggest updating firmware to v4.3.26 though you may need to downgrade UI to version 4.0.5 in order to update.

 

 

 

Jon...

Edited by jerlands
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jerlands

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Thanks a lot Jon!  I'll update my firmware and see how it does.

 

Also, if 37.C3.B2 isn't a motion sensor you might run Event Viewer on it and see how your comms are for that particular wireless device.  Hops=0 or 1 indicates poor while Hops=2 or 3 = good.

 

 

Jon...

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That is the Hallway-Sensor. Here is both updated to v.4.3.26 below. I just don't know if it is correct to have both of the 3-way switcheLINC's in the this ISY program or just the primary wired switch or just the secondary switch ( RED Load wire is capped off ). One time last night the motion sensor wouldn't trigger the lights on until i pressed the off on the secondary switchlinc. However it does seem that the response time is like 1 1/2 seconds instead of 3 seconds turning on the light now. I will have to continue to test this setup..

 

Sun 03/13/2016 06:34:35 AM : [iNST-SRX    ] 02 50 37.C3.B2 00.00.01 CF 11 01    LTONRR (01)

Sun 03/13/2016 06:34:35 AM : [std-Group   ] 37.C3.B2-->Group=1, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=3
Sun 03/13/2016 06:34:35 AM : [D2D EVENT   ] Event [37 C3 B2 1] [DON] [1] uom=0 prec=-1
Sun 03/13/2016 06:34:35 AM : [  37 C3 B2 1]      DON   1
Sun 03/13/2016 06:34:35 AM : [D2D-CMP 0065] CTL [37 C3 B2 1] DON op=1 Event(val=1 uom=0 prec=-1) is Condition(val=0 uom=0 prec=-1) --> true
Sun 03/13/2016 06:34:35 AM : [D2D-CMP 0064] CTL [37 C3 B2 1] DON op=1 Event(val=1 uom=0 prec=-1) is Condition(val=0 uom=0 prec=-1) --> true
Sun 03/13/2016 06:34:35 AM : [iNST-SRX    ] 02 50 37.C3.B2 00.00.01 CF 11 01    LTONRR (01)
Sun 03/13/2016 06:34:35 AM : [std-Group   ] 37.C3.B2-->Group=1, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=3
Sun 03/13/2016 06:34:35 AM : [iNST-DUP    ] Previous message ignored.
Sun 03/13/2016 06:34:35 AM : [iNST-SRX    ] 02 50 37.C3.B2 11.00.01 CF 06 00           (00)
Sun 03/13/2016 06:34:35 AM : [std-Group   ] 37.C3.B2-->11.00.01, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=3
Sun 03/13/2016 06:34:35 AM : [iNST-INFO   ] Previous message ignored.
Sun 03/13/2016 06:34:36 AM : [iNST-SRX    ] 02 50 37.C3.B2 11.00.01 CF 06 00           (00)
Sun 03/13/2016 06:34:36 AM : [std-Group   ] 37.C3.B2-->11.00.01, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=3
Sun 03/13/2016 06:34:36 AM : [iNST-INFO   ] Previous message ignored.
 
Thanks..!
larryllix Advanced

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I went through some of this dilemma about letting ISY control everything but ended up thinking this way.

 

- I used scenes to "direct operate" my lights from MS units and other three-way switch schemes. The On response is immediate. ISY is not involved, at all.

- I use ISY to turn them off again, based on motion, and switch actions.

- In many common rooms I don't worry if they trigger during the middle of the day. They are al LED bulbs and cost pennies per year to not worry about it.

- In bedroom areas I use programs to modify the scene brightness levels before the lighting is needed.

Edited by larryllix
jerlands Advanced

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That is the Hallway-Sensor. Here is both updated to v.4.3.26 below. I just don't know if it is correct to have both of the 3-way switcheLINC's in the this ISY program or just the primary wired switch or just the secondary switch ( RED Load wire is capped off ). One time last night the motion sensor wouldn't trigger the lights on until i pressed the off on the secondary switchlinc. However it does seem that the response time is like 1 1/2 seconds instead of 3 seconds turning on the light now. I will have to continue to test this setup..

 

 

After the update do you still receive PLATFORM_ERRORS—10108 when setting options on the motion sensor?

 

Your secondary switch doesn't do anything other than send a signal to the primary (but only locally not in a program) so you should be adjusting and controlling the scene it's in.

As Larry stated the fastest response would be including the motions sensor in a scene but you'd lose control of time periods.

 

You might post your updated programs if you have other questions.

 

 

Jon...

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