Aeon MultiSensor 6 options missing

[sandryseibert]

Hello All,

 

I have about 4 Aeon MultiSensor 1st gen and happy with them, now I've purchased the Aeon MultiSensor 6 (latest generation) and after add it to my Z-wave network I noticed that the Options button is missing.

 

Does anybody knows how can I change the options without this button?

 

Regards

Sandry Seibert

[kohai]

http://forum.universal-devices.com/topic/16323-setup-and-usage-of-aeotec-multisensor-6/

 

Here's another thread on this sensor.  Read through that.

[sandryseibert]

http://forum.universal-devices.com/topic/16323-setup-and-usage-of-aeotec-multisensor-6/

 

Here's another thread on this sensor.  Read through that.

Thank you.. got it changed!

 

This is by far the worst Zwave product I've ever purchased. I have eight 4in1 multisensor which is much more accurate. This one is poorly made, the light sensor and the ridiculous UV sensor is almost always misaligned with case hole, and even by removing the cover it shows inaccurate measurements as per pictures.

 

The vibration measurement is useless, it detects only a hard shaking, the range of this 908.42 Mhz equipment obligate you to have tons of repeaters using almost all outlets on our house.

 

I'll never purchase a Zwave product anymore, I'm wasting my money dreaming that one day this stuff works but I've my Zwave ISY since 2010 and the only thing is working is my Schlage Lock (good bless the Schlage engineers) because the ISY is 4 feets away from it.

[KeviNH]

When I was at ISC West, everybody I spoke to was all about Z-Wave and the mesh network, if I mentioned Insteon they would immediately badmouth it, say it was just X-10 with improved wireless.

 

When I would mention the short range of Z-wave and the need for lots of repeaters, vendors would just say that was a reason to buy more plug-in type devices to build up your mesh network

[mwester]

 This is another of those Windows vs Linux wars, I suspect.  From where I stand (er, sit), my z-wave mesh network is more reliable and has fewer "hops" than my Insteon network.  I did nothing special at all to make my z-wave network function so well, whereas I have almost a dozen Insteon filterlincs all over the house, I've collected electronics into places I'd rather not so as to ensure that they don't plug into the "wrong" circuit so that suddenly something won't talk.  I just tossed an LED bulb into the trash, despite the fact that it illuminated just fine -- because it started making electrical racket that resulted in my switchlinc being unreachable when it was turned on.  I returned three Cree LED bulbs to Home Depot a month ago, because they flashed and blinked on my Insteon KPL Dimmer...

 

I'm going to keep the Insteon stuff, though, because the KPLs are more functional than anything else we can use with the ISY, at least yet.  Plus I have an outbuilding with a workshop that I can't reach via z-wave.

 

So, there's no reason to join one side or the other in a pitched battle over technical details; both work just fine in some cases and work dreadfully in others.  I'm happy I have a choice to use both.

[sandryseibert]

I returned three Cree LED bulbs to Home Depot a month ago, because they flashed and blinked on my Insteon KPL Dimmer...

I had a similar issue, and speaking to Insteon experts they told me to use a dimmable light bulb instead of a regular one or change the Insteon dimmer to an insteon switch. So I decided to purchase some Philips Dimmable light bulb and it's now working without bother me.

 

Regarding the Insteon vs Z-wave technology, I have to disagree that the amount of plugged in devices will improve the Z-wave reliability because the Z-wave can't re-arrange the network without an intervention and Insteon does, in fact, the Insteon devices I have (and I have a lot of them) shows a flawless communication between them, on the other side, the Z-wave send so many requests at same time that I doubt if it's not creating more troubles here.

[Guitartexan01]

I use 100% zwave. Started at the office where the isy is and moved outwards changing every light switch to Enerwave z-wave switches. I have had 100% reliability and I have yet to experience an "all on" event. Don't believe all the bad things you hear about z-wave. Nor should you believe all the good things you hear about Insteon. You have to use what works for you in your situation.

 

 

GT

[sandryseibert]

I use 100% zwave. Started at the office where the isy is and moved outwards changing every light switch to Enerwave z-wave switches. I have had 100% reliability and I have yet to experience an "all on" event. Don't believe all the bad things you hear about z-wave. Nor should you believe all the good things you hear about Insteon. You have to use what works for you in your situation.

 

 

GT

How big is your office? one room? 2 rooms? how far a device is placed from another?

I need to know because if is something happening only with me, I have to do something to fix. Here I have a device not far than 15ft one of each other, but even closer devices fail to send the correct message to ISY.

 

SS

[jerlands]

 Here I have a device not far than 15ft one of each other, but even closer devices fail to send the correct message to ISY.

 

I don't have Z-Wave yet but this sounds like the devices aren't healed or something with the way they're added?

 

 

Jon...

[mwester]

Everyone keeps talking about "range", but that's quite the wrong way to think about these problems (zwave or Insteon RF).

 

Consider a better analogy:

 

It's the dead of night, in a football stadium about 10 miles outside of North Podunk.  Even the crickets have stopped chirping for the night.  You're under one goal post, your buddy is under the other one on the opposite side of the field.  In your best imitation of Yosemite Sam, you mutter -- slightly louder than a whisper -- that he's a "no-good flea-bitten varmint".  He stops what he's doing, turns to you, and says "What did you call me??"

 

Anyone surprised?   Not really, we all know "sound carries"...

 

But if that's true, then what about this one:

 

It's the dead of night, in the local bar near downtown.  The band is on stage, opposite you.  It's a hot day, the doors and windows are open, you can hear the roar of automobiles and honking of horns punctuated by screaming sirens coming in, in between beats of bass from the band so loud that waves are appearing on the surface of your drink.  Your buddy is across the table from you, leaning in to hear you -- your mouth is about two feet (less than a meter for you Canucks) away from his ear, and you're screaming at the top of your lungs "Dude!  I need another drink!".  He motions that he can't hear you...

 

Anyone surprised?  Not really, we've all been in that bar, or in a situation like that...

 

So - is the problem in the bar that you're not yelling loud enough?

 

No.  If that were true, then how come your buddy could hear you insult him just fine from over a hundred yards (meters) away earlier that same evening?

 

My point is that we need to be thinking about something much more important than "loudness" or even "sensitivity" -- neither is really a good measure for any RF signal in a house.  Instead, the measure we need is the "Signal-to-Noise Ratio" -- that's the best measure to determine if you're going to "get the job done" with your devices.

 

Putting that into action with the 15' problem -- the issue isn't the Z-Wave devices; those are pretty much the same.  Placement of the antenna is important, but to abuse my analogy, that's like standing under the goal post or standing on the 1 yard line -- it makes a difference but not much in most situations.  What makes the real difference is the noise level.  What else in that house is blasting away at about 900 MHz like the rock band at the bar or the sirens, horns, and road noise coming through open windows, or like an auditorium full of people all having conversations?  Baby monitor?  Kids toy microphones?  Older walkie-talkies?  Wireless weather displays with remote temperature sensors?  Wireless remote control extenders?  Look around for other things making electronic racket before you mess a lot with the z-wave stuff; the chances that multiple z-wave devices all have the same transmitter-power problem or the same poor-antenna problem are rather low compared with all the unlicensed junk that the FCC has permitted to be sold to clutter the airwaves around 900MHz!

[Guitartexan01]

My office is 14x15-one room. It's a 3200 sq ft two story home. I have zwave in every room, so the furthest distance from one device is 15 feet. I started by excluding then including and I started at the office and worked my way out from there. I joined each device from the device location except for the Aeon Labs motion sensors. I added those at my desk and then went and installed them. Aside from the MS, I'm using all Enerwave zwave devices. I have had no issues, mainly operator errors that I cleared with a little help from the guys on here.

 

 

GT

[grahamk]

I have 35 or so zwave devices in a 3200 sq ft home with multiple devices that are outside the house and basically from one end to the other of a one acre property. I have had zero issues. I have 3 devices in a greenhouse which has been a HUGE PITA to monitor with a weather station because the aluminized walls of the greenhouse block the signal. I switched to a gen 6 multisensor that I use to get the temperature of the greenhouse and then use zwave to turn on cooling fans and/or mist based on the temperature with some additional logic. Flawless connection and the greenhouse is at least 75 feet away from the nearest zwave device. I did have to calibrate the thermometer in the gen 6 multisensor but aeon tech support helped me do that with no issues and it has been bang on ever since.

 

FWIW.

[Scyto]

I'll never purchase a Zwave product anymore, I'm wasting my money dreaming that one day this stuff works but I've my Zwave ISY since 2010 and the only thing is working is my Schlage Lock (good bless the Schlage engineers) because the ISY is 4 feets away from it.

I wish my schlage locks were reliable.

 

The BE lock has comms issues with ISY (i have two of them and they both exhibit same issues with secure setting of codes - can't be programmed via a hop from the ISY - works fine from the vera or smart things hub -i have been unable to convince ISY this is a real issue  )  The lock today told me it had low batter (beep followed by delayed lock/unlock) but reported 53% battery remaining.  The FE lever lock is VERY light on options compared to the BE locks - still trying to figure out if that is because of an ISY issue or wether the device doesn't support those z-wave classes.  The schlage support line is useless.  On the other hand kwikset just invited me to their insiders program....

[Scottmichaelj]

I wish my schlage locks were reliable.

 

The BE lock has comms issues with ISY (i have two of them and they both exhibit same issues with secure setting of codes - can't be programmed via a hop from the ISY - works fine from the vera or smart things hub -i have been unable to convince ISY this is a real issue

Sad that Vera and ST both can and have been doing ZWave much better than the ISY. I was bidding ISY ZWave on projects but went back to the Vera for Zwave on budget jobs and Lutron RadioRA for higher end ones. I dont like the possibility the Insteon PLM could be stopped being manufactured and causing everyone with the Insteon devices to lose connection with the ISY. Smarthome hub is not an option/replacement.

[Michel Kohanim]

Hi Scyto,

 

Is ISY by any chance secondary to Wink or Vera? If not, are they in any shape or form part included in the Z-Wave network?

 

With kind regards,

Michel

[sandryseibert]

Just a feedback to everybody.. I plugged in all these new inaccurate multi-sensor looks like the reliability of transmitting signal get better. But there is a hidden secret there, you MUST add the device plugged in, you can't use the device on a mesh configuration if you commission it using batteries.

 

Well, this is a really expensive motion detection, because the other feature still useless. UV? Neither putting it over direct sunlight it shows any value, always ZERO, vibration? Maybe in California lol... Lux? It's even installing side by side on a room that is illuminated by indirect light it shows different values, my old version still working better.. Temperature accuracy about 10% to 15% error, but it's fine, I have a CAI PLC which measure temperature using 1-wire on all rooms AND in degrees Celsius!