cyberk Posted October 15, 2016 Posted October 15, 2016 A lot depends on how handy you are with a solder iron and if you want to keep your existing doorbell chime working. If you do NOT need you existing doorbell chime, I posted a basic outline of what I've done in the past to integrate a wireless doorbell button into existing wiring (post #7 in this thread). It's important that the existing transformer and chime are not connected to the button, but otherwise about 20 minutes work and fully reversible. If you DO want your existing doorbell chime too, then you step up the complexity a small bit. You'd basically build a small circuit that had a bridge recitifier, capacitor and a relay. The recitifiers A/C input is connected in parallel with your existing door chime. The D/C output is connected to a capacitor (200-1000 mfd should be fine) and to the input of a 24V relay (or use a resistor to knock that voltage down to whatever your relay can handle). Then relay contacts are then hooked to the wireless doorbell button and you're set. About an hours work, maybe less, and about $10 in parts. Again, fully reversible (just remove it and tape over the wires). Gerry Thanks Gerry I'm using a Ring Pro Video Doorbell. It's hardwired to my doorbell transformer. The Ring had a hardwired doorbell button built in, that activates the Ring feature, and if available, will also trigger a hardwired chime. However, I do not currently have a chime nor do I want a conventional one. That being said, If I wanted to get rid of my Ring Pro and get a wireless button/chime, I would fully opt for the Aotec Doorbell that includes a wireless doorbell button already. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
cyberk Posted October 15, 2016 Posted October 15, 2016 DPST relay with a 24VAC coil? Bell push turns the relay coil on momentarily. One of the poles switches 24VAC to your current bell. Second pole drives whatever... (Could be an IOLinc, zwave dry contact device, Elk zone etc...) Been working for me for over a year now..... Lol, I think you missed what I'm trying to do too, or in retrospect, maybe I did a piss poor job explaining myself My bell would be the Aotec Doorbell , I don't currently have a chime at all. So you are partly right, all I need is the Zwave dry contact device, I was just having trouble finding one that claimed it wouldn't have an issue with 24V. The Mimo for example, only supported up to 16v, and a resistor might have solved my issue, but I always like to KISS. Ok maybe not always, lol That being said, I found some today, I'm fairly sure I can get a regular micro-switch device, one that supports a momentary switch, and bam. Going to be purchasing what I need this weekend, I'll make sure to post my final parts list before I buy so that I can get everyone's feedback Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
kohai Posted October 15, 2016 Posted October 15, 2016 I'm using doorbird with an PoE connection. It does have wifi ability and I think it can run off of a regular doorbell voltage.
Techman Posted October 18, 2016 Posted October 18, 2016 One caveat -- the doorbell button is a bit "fussy". It often will not work if you are holding it (assuming that detunes the transmitter a bit) and doesn't have the greatest range. I replaced the battery in mine and re-learned it into the base unit and it's good enough (about as good as my last doorbell) all while leaving it alone on a flat surface when testing and then mounting it. So worth doing those things and test-mounting it to test range before replacing any existing solution. You have to configure a few useful parameters to use it with automation. In particular, set parameter #80 to 1 to enable reports of the doorbell press that the ISY can react to. If you use your own custom MP3 rings, you'll want to change the parameter that controls the "repeat count" (defaults to two and fine for "ding dong" sort of default noises, but goofy for voice and/or music playing on use of the doorbell). All params seem well documented at the http://www.pepper1.net/zwavedb/device site. Gerry Do you happen to know if the ISY fully supports the ZW056 doorbell. I'd like to use just the speaker portion as an alert module with MP3 audio messages. I tried to find the user manual but it doesn't seem to be available on the Aeon Labs site.
gduprey Posted October 18, 2016 Author Posted October 18, 2016 Yes, mostly. Things are a lot easier in using the 5.x firmware. There are basically a few things you have to do to use it: 1) If you want the doorbell button press to be something you can use in an ISY program (i.e. write conditional code that executes when the doorbell buttons is pressed), you have to set configuration parameter #80 to 1 2) If you don't want crazy double announcements, you'll want to set the "repeat count" from the default of 2 to 1 via parameters #2 3) If you don't want the 1st MP3 on the unit to be the doorbell (i.e. play when the button is pressed), set config parameter #5 to to the MP3 # to play 4) To play arbitrary MP3s, you need to set configuration parameters. It's a bit goofy as you wouldn't expect setting a configuration parameter to be a command. To cause the unit to play a certain MP3, you write the MP3 # of it to parameter #6 (it will immediately start playing it). Parameter 7 allows control of stopping, pausing, playing next and previous MP3. So for your use, you're mostly going to using SET PARAMETER #6 to the MP3 that corrosponds to the event/MP3 you want announced. In 5.x firmware, you can write ISY programs to set the config parameters and control the unit. Under 4.x, you need to use the REST interface and the network module (if you want to do everything in the ISY itself) to send REST ZWave commands. Finally, the MP3 #s are really just the order the files appear when looking at the unit on your computer (you attach the unit to your computer via USB and the MP3 area appears as a USB storage (like a flash drive). The order the files are listed is the same as their # for playing them. Helps to prefix the file names with numbers and copy them all in at once. You can read more about using the configuration parameters here It's not an instruction manual, but does attempt to document the configuration parameters and their functions.Gerry
gduprey Posted October 19, 2016 Author Posted October 19, 2016 I'm using a Ring Pro Video Doorbell. It's hardwired to my doorbell transformer. The Ring had a hardwired doorbell button built in, that activates the Ring feature, and if available, will also trigger a hardwired chime. However, I do not currently have a chime nor do I want a conventional one. I have a Ring (not pro) unit too on my condo and used this technique to integrate it into my ZWave/ISY. You don't really need to have a doorbell chime -- just the fact that you have the wiring is enough. Since the wires are "live" to power/recharge the ring, the 24VAC relay would be an easy connection. I actually removed my existing chime (Well it's still on the wall, but disconnected). You'd keep all the abilities of the Ring and have doorbell presses that trigger the ZWave doorbell device (which can be set to not make sounds, if you don't want) and react to it via ISY programs too.
kohai Posted October 19, 2016 Posted October 19, 2016 I'm using doorbird with an PoE connection. It does have wifi ability and I think it can run off of a regular doorbell voltage. I should mention doorbird supports REST type commands. So, when someone rings the door, it connects to my ISY and then I do things based on that.
cyberk Posted October 21, 2016 Posted October 21, 2016 I have a Ring (not pro) unit too on my condo and used this technique to integrate it into my ZWave/ISY. You don't really need to have a doorbell chime -- just the fact that you have the wiring is enough. Since the wires are "live" to power/recharge the ring, the 24VAC relay would be an easy connection. I actually removed my existing chime (Well it's still on the wall, but disconnected). You'd keep all the abilities of the Ring and have doorbell presses that trigger the ZWave doorbell device (which can be set to not make sounds, if you don't want) and react to it via ISY programs too. What zwave relay did you you use? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
gduprey Posted October 24, 2016 Author Posted October 24, 2016 It wasn't a ZWave relay -- just a normal relay (I built a little AC/DC converter for a DC relay, but doing it over, I'd just use an AC relay). The relay contacts were connected across the wireless doorbell button for the wireless system I was using at the time and now is connected across the wireless doorbell button of the ZWave Aeotec doorbell. It requires a little soldering and opening things up/using them not as intended (and obvious warranty voiding), but was pretty easy otherwise. Another solution, which just occurred to me over the weekend, would be using one of the Ecolink door switches. If you open these things up, they actually have terminals to use them as dry-contact -> Zwave interfaces. You just don't use the magnet they come with and wire the doorbell in directly. Of course, in that case, you cannot have the normal doorbell power (or chime) connected -- just "dry" wires, but it's a bit simpler to hookup (no relay). This wouldn't use the aeotec doorbell directly, but would be a way to connect a doorbell button to Zwave that could then trigger something else. Just putting options out there Gerry
grahamk Posted October 29, 2016 Posted October 29, 2016 1) If you want the doorbell button press to be something you can use in an ISY program (i.e. write conditional code that executes when the doorbell buttons is pressed), you have to set configuration parameter #80 to 1 First - thanks for this extremely useful post. I set param 80 to 1, and do not see anything at the ISY when the doorbell is pushed. I am running 5.02 What should I expect to see when the button is pushed? I am attempting to get the button push to activate a program. Thanks! Graham
k5map Posted October 30, 2016 Posted October 30, 2016 gduprey, what version are you running on your ISY?
johnstonf Posted November 4, 2016 Posted November 4, 2016 One caveat -- the doorbell button is a bit "fussy". It often will not work if you are holding it (assuming that detunes the transmitter a bit) and doesn't have the greatest range. I replaced the battery in mine and re-learned it into the base unit and it's good enough (about as good as my last doorbell) all while leaving it alone on a flat surface when testing and then mounting it. So worth doing those things and test-mounting it to test range before replacing any existing solution. You have to configure a few useful parameters to use it with automation. In particular, set parameter #80 to 1 to enable reports of the doorbell press that the ISY can react to. If you use your own custom MP3 rings, you'll want to change the parameter that controls the "repeat count" (defaults to two and fine for "ding dong" sort of default noises, but goofy for voice and/or music playing on use of the doorbell). All params seem well documented at the http://www.pepper1.net/zwavedb/device site. Gerry FYI: For paramaters, Now redirects you to: http://products.z-wavealliance.org http://products.z-wavealliance.org/regions/2/categories/25/products
ggdowski Posted December 30, 2016 Posted December 30, 2016 I added one of these today because I was tired of waiting for Godot with respect to my Insteon Siren. If anyone would like that paperweight -- shoot me an email. I added the AeoTec doorbell to solve 2 problems. 1. Schlage Door look located only about 15ft away from the ISY rarely ever communicated correctly via zwave. I'm happy to report that this was successful for me. I'll play with it to see how far I can move the doorbell siren away from the Schlage to get it to fail again. Overall, happy with this outcome. I had given up on linking with the Schlage locks. 2. Bought it to replace the Insteon Siren. It does work. I can activate it properly from within a program. Remaining issues for me. 1. Its notification and triggering function don't seem to work exactly as I would have thought after setting parameters 80 and 81. 2. While I can change the ring tone --- I cannot play different ringtones because I can't set parameters within a program. Apparently this is a feature of v5.0 . I have tried to install v5 and won't do it again until I see something more than an alpha version. For those of you looking for a parameter list, here it is: http://products.z-wavealliance.org/products/1307/configs Product details can be found here: http://products.z-wavealliance.org/products/1307
gduprey Posted December 30, 2016 Author Posted December 30, 2016 Howdy, Even with the 4.x firmware, if you have the Networking Module, you can use the information in the pinned topic at the top of this sub-forum to use the REST interface from the ISY and it's programs to play different music now. It's a little more convoluted than ideal, but should act as a workable bridge until the 5.x stuff is ready/stable.Gerry
MikeD Posted December 30, 2016 Posted December 30, 2016 Howdy, Even with the 4.x firmware, if you have the Networking Module, you can use the information in the pinned topic at the top of this sub-forum to use the REST interface from the ISY and it's programs to play different music now. It's a little more convoluted than ideal, but should act as a workable bridge until the 5.x stuff is ready/stable. Gerry Hi Gerry,I am doing this now in v4 thanks to you and others posting this topic. Just have to create a network resource file for each mp3 file then call from multiple programs using different triggers. I have yet to use the doorbell as a doorbell, the pushbutton is still in the box. ~Mike
ggdowski Posted January 1, 2017 Posted January 1, 2017 Another update. I did manage to communicate with the Schlage lock and Honeywell thermostat in my garage. However, I found that I could not add the device through the AeoTec doorbell. I had to physically move the ISY and put it on a wireless port next to the devices to get them to add. Once they were added, they communicated fine through the AeoTec. I just thought I would report that because it is not obvious when you are adding things. Greg
bittwiddler Posted June 30, 2017 Posted June 30, 2017 1. Its notification and triggering function don't seem to work exactly as I would have thought after setting parameters 80 and 81. Hello I have set 80 and 81 both to 1 but I don't see exactly how the notification / triggering works. Apparently checking to see whether the doorbell is switched on (or off) is not doing anything. I don't see any traffic on the event viewer. What do I have to do? Oh and I am running 5.0.10
Broyd Posted July 1, 2017 Posted July 1, 2017 Just my experimenting: If you set parameter 80 to 2, the the doorbell will send a status change to the ISY which you can see when you use the event viewer on level 3. This is the log when pressing the remote doorbell button. Here is that log: Sat 07/01/2017 08:25:50 AM : [ZWAVE-RX ZW010_1] [01090004000A0320]...Sat 07/01/2017 08:25:50 AM : [ZWAVE-TX ] ACKSat 07/01/2017 08:25:50 AM : [ZWAVE BASIC ] ZW010_1 Reports value 255Sat 07/01/2017 08:26:15 AM : [ZWAVE-RX ZW010_1] [01090004000A0320]...Sat 07/01/2017 08:26:15 AM : [ZWAVE-TX ] ACKSat 07/01/2017 08:26:15 AM : [ZWAVE BASIC ] ZW010_1 Reports value 0 When the button is pressed, ZW010_1 (my doorbell) reports a value of 255 (ON). Then once the .mp3 is finished playing, the doorbell reports a value of 0. This change could be reflected in the ON/OFF status of the doorbell - but it's not. If it was, then you could use this status to trigger programs whenever the doorbell was pressed. Here is the log when you click the ON button for the doorbell from the admin console: Sat 07/01/2017 08:32:05 AM : [ZWAVE-TX ZW010_1] [010A00130A032501]...Sat 07/01/2017 08:32:05 AM : [ZWAVE-RX ] ACKSat 07/01/2017 08:32:05 AM : [ZWAVE-RX ] [0104011301E8]Sat 07/01/2017 08:32:05 AM : [ZWAVE-TX ] ACKSat 07/01/2017 08:32:05 AM : [ZWAVE-RX ] [010500130E00E7]Sat 07/01/2017 08:32:05 AM : [ZWAVE-TX ] ACKSat 07/01/2017 08:32:05 AM : [D2D EVENT ] Event [ZW010_1] [DON] [100] uom=78 prec=0Sat 07/01/2017 08:32:05 AM : [ ZW010_1] DON 100 (uom=78 prec=0)Sat 07/01/2017 08:32:05 AM : [ZWAVE-RX ZW010_1] [01090004000A0325]...Sat 07/01/2017 08:32:05 AM : [ZWAVE-TX ] ACKSat 07/01/2017 08:32:05 AM : [D2D EVENT ] Event [ZW010_1] [DON] [100] uom=78 prec=0Sat 07/01/2017 08:32:05 AM : [ ZW010_1] DON 100 (uom=78 prec=0)Sat 07/01/2017 08:32:05 AM : [ZWAVE-RX ZW010_1] [01090004000A0320]...Sat 07/01/2017 08:32:05 AM : [ZWAVE-TX ] ACKSat 07/01/2017 08:32:05 AM : [ZWAVE BASIC ] ZW010_1 Reports value 255Sat 07/01/2017 08:32:05 AM : [ZWAVE-TX ZW010_1] [010900130A022502]...Sat 07/01/2017 08:32:05 AM : [ZWAVE-RX ] ACKSat 07/01/2017 08:32:05 AM : [ZWAVE-RX ] [0104011301E8]Sat 07/01/2017 08:32:05 AM : [ZWAVE-TX ] ACKSat 07/01/2017 08:32:06 AM : [ZWAVE-RX ] [010500130F00E6]Sat 07/01/2017 08:32:06 AM : [ZWAVE-TX ] ACKSat 07/01/2017 08:32:06 AM : [ZWAVE-RX ZW010_1] [01090004000A0325]...Sat 07/01/2017 08:32:06 AM : [ZWAVE-TX ] ACKSat 07/01/2017 08:32:06 AM : [D2D EVENT ] Event [ZW010_1] [sT] [100] uom=78 prec=0Sat 07/01/2017 08:32:06 AM : [ ZW010_1] ST 100 (uom=78 prec=0)Sat 07/01/2017 08:32:30 AM : [ZWAVE-RX ZW010_1] [01090004000A0320]...Sat 07/01/2017 08:32:30 AM : [ZWAVE-TX ] ACKSat 07/01/2017 08:32:30 AM : [ZWAVE BASIC ] ZW010_1 Reports value 0 And finally, if while using the admin console you press the remote doorbell pushbutton and you then query the doorbell while the .mp3 is playing, the status will show ON, and then will show OFF when the .mp3 is finished playing. But as I mentioned, this status change is not automatically reflected in the doorbell status, meaning you can't make use of it to detect if someone is at your door.
bittwiddler Posted July 1, 2017 Posted July 1, 2017 Just my experimenting: If you set parameter 80 to 2, the the doorbell will send a status change to the ISY which you can see when you use the event viewer on level 3. This is the log when pressing the remote doorbell button. Here is that log: Sat 07/01/2017 08:25:50 AM : [ZWAVE-RX ZW010_1] [01090004000A0320]... Sat 07/01/2017 08:25:50 AM : [ZWAVE-TX ] ACK Sat 07/01/2017 08:25:50 AM : [ZWAVE BASIC ] ZW010_1 Reports value 255 Sat 07/01/2017 08:26:15 AM : [ZWAVE-RX ZW010_1] [01090004000A0320]... Sat 07/01/2017 08:26:15 AM : [ZWAVE-TX ] ACK Sat 07/01/2017 08:26:15 AM : [ZWAVE BASIC ] ZW010_1 Reports value 0 When the button is pressed, ZW010_1 (my doorbell) reports a value of 255 (ON). Then once the .mp3 is finished playing, the doorbell reports a value of 0. This change could be reflected in the ON/OFF status of the doorbell - but it's not. If it was, then you could use this status to trigger programs whenever the doorbell was pressed. Here is the log when you click the ON button for the doorbell from the admin console: Sat 07/01/2017 08:32:05 AM : [ZWAVE-TX ZW010_1] [010A00130A032501]... Sat 07/01/2017 08:32:05 AM : [ZWAVE-RX ] ACK Sat 07/01/2017 08:32:05 AM : [ZWAVE-RX ] [0104011301E8] Sat 07/01/2017 08:32:05 AM : [ZWAVE-TX ] ACK Sat 07/01/2017 08:32:05 AM : [ZWAVE-RX ] [010500130E00E7] Sat 07/01/2017 08:32:05 AM : [ZWAVE-TX ] ACK Sat 07/01/2017 08:32:05 AM : [D2D EVENT ] Event [ZW010_1] [DON] [100] uom=78 prec=0 Sat 07/01/2017 08:32:05 AM : [ ZW010_1] DON 100 (uom=78 prec=0) Sat 07/01/2017 08:32:05 AM : [ZWAVE-RX ZW010_1] [01090004000A0325]... Sat 07/01/2017 08:32:05 AM : [ZWAVE-TX ] ACK Sat 07/01/2017 08:32:05 AM : [D2D EVENT ] Event [ZW010_1] [DON] [100] uom=78 prec=0 Sat 07/01/2017 08:32:05 AM : [ ZW010_1] DON 100 (uom=78 prec=0) Sat 07/01/2017 08:32:05 AM : [ZWAVE-RX ZW010_1] [01090004000A0320]... Sat 07/01/2017 08:32:05 AM : [ZWAVE-TX ] ACK Sat 07/01/2017 08:32:05 AM : [ZWAVE BASIC ] ZW010_1 Reports value 255 Sat 07/01/2017 08:32:05 AM : [ZWAVE-TX ZW010_1] [010900130A022502]... Sat 07/01/2017 08:32:05 AM : [ZWAVE-RX ] ACK Sat 07/01/2017 08:32:05 AM : [ZWAVE-RX ] [0104011301E8] Sat 07/01/2017 08:32:05 AM : [ZWAVE-TX ] ACK Sat 07/01/2017 08:32:06 AM : [ZWAVE-RX ] [010500130F00E6] Sat 07/01/2017 08:32:06 AM : [ZWAVE-TX ] ACK Sat 07/01/2017 08:32:06 AM : [ZWAVE-RX ZW010_1] [01090004000A0325]... Sat 07/01/2017 08:32:06 AM : [ZWAVE-TX ] ACK Sat 07/01/2017 08:32:06 AM : [D2D EVENT ] Event [ZW010_1] [sT] [100] uom=78 prec=0 Sat 07/01/2017 08:32:06 AM : [ ZW010_1] ST 100 (uom=78 prec=0) Sat 07/01/2017 08:32:30 AM : [ZWAVE-RX ZW010_1] [01090004000A0320]... Sat 07/01/2017 08:32:30 AM : [ZWAVE-TX ] ACK Sat 07/01/2017 08:32:30 AM : [ZWAVE BASIC ] ZW010_1 Reports value 0 And finally, if while using the admin console you press the remote doorbell pushbutton and you then query the doorbell while the .mp3 is playing, the status will show ON, and then will show OFF when the .mp3 is finished playing. But as I mentioned, this status change is not automatically reflected in the doorbell status, meaning you can't make use of it to detect if someone is at your door. Ah. Thanks for all the info ... now I'll have to see if I can find a way to make use of it somehow. It would be nice to know when the doorbell button is pushed
stusviews Posted July 1, 2017 Posted July 1, 2017 Ah. Thanks for all the info ... now I'll have to see if I can find a way to make use of it somehow. It would be nice to know when the doorbell button is pushed Your existing doorbell or the one included with the Aeon Doorbell device?
bittwiddler Posted July 2, 2017 Posted July 2, 2017 Your existing doorbell or the one included with the Aeon Doorbell device? I meant to make use of the info sent by Broyd to notify me when someone rings the doorbell.
stusviews Posted July 2, 2017 Posted July 2, 2017 I meant to make use of the info sent by Broyd to notify me when someone rings the doorbell. Which doorbell, your existing doorbell or the button included with the Aeon doorbell? How do you want to be notified, a sound, email, text, something else?
bittwiddler Posted July 3, 2017 Posted July 3, 2017 Which doorbell, your existing doorbell or the button included with the Aeon doorbell? How do you want to be notified, a sound, email, text, something else? Well, both. I'm in the middle of wiring my existing doorbell up so I can use it to trigger a few events such as play a sound and send a text to my phone. I'll use the Aeotec Doorbell to play the sound In the meantime I was also looking into whether I could use the button with the Aeotec doorbell to trigger some other notifications when it plays a sound on the doorbell. That's why I was wondering if I could use the pressing of the button to both ring the doorbell and trigger a program
stusviews Posted July 3, 2017 Posted July 3, 2017 In order to use you existing doorbell button to control a scene or trigger a program, you'll need an Insteon doorbell kit. The included button can only be used to ring the Aeotec doorbell. But you can use the Aeotec doorbell itself as a program trigger.
ScottAvery Posted August 8, 2017 Posted August 8, 2017 In order to use you existing doorbell button to control a scene or trigger a program, you'll need an Insteon doorbell kit. The included button can only be used to ring the Aeotec doorbell. But you can use the Aeotec doorbell itself as a program trigger. `Why does one need the Elk board in the Smarthomes doorbell kit? shouldn't the doorbell button itself provide all the input an i/oLinc needs?
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