Teken Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 All I need at this point is basic motion detection so I can control lights and send notifications. Based on what I have read it sounds like I should be able to link my 2844-222 to ISY with 4.6.2. I have a R3.1 3017 version of the sensor. I have tried both start linking and New Insteon Device. The start linking writes to the various devices but no new device shows up. The new device where I enter the address, fails with unable to determine the engine with Auto Discover. There is no 2844-222 device in the drop down, but there is a 2842-222. How are people getting the isy to link with the 2844-222? You will select the older Motion Sensor now for enrollment. The hardware is still very much hobbled perhaps 5.0.11 Alpha will be forth coming by January 2018. Link to comment
patryk.szady Posted November 30, 2017 Author Share Posted November 30, 2017 Hi all, Is there any update to this? I'm currently running 5.0.10 and still can't seem to add it. Is there a work around? All I need to know if there's motion or not/ just the status of the motion sensor ON/OFF so I can run programs.. Is there also a way to add it to a scene right now? Thanks, Patryk Link to comment
Techman Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 Hi all, Is there any update to this? I'm currently running 5.0.10 and still can't seem to add it. Is there a work around? All I need to know if there's motion or not/ just the status of the motion sensor ON/OFF so I can run programs.. Is there also a way to add it to a scene right now? Thanks, Patryk The motion node is supported, the other nodes are not. Add it to the ISY using the previous motion sensor ID (2842-222) Yes it can be added to a scene or a program Link to comment
larryllix Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 Hi all, Is there any update to this? I'm currently running 5.0.10 and still can't seem to add it. Is there a work around? All I need to know if there's motion or not/ just the status of the motion sensor ON/OFF so I can run programs.. Is there also a way to add it to a scene right now? Thanks, Patryk Stusviews sets his options using a SmartHome Hub and uses with ISY until ISY gets full support added. Link to comment
patryk.szady Posted December 1, 2017 Author Share Posted December 1, 2017 Thanks guys, I really want to avoid using another hub for this and in 5.0.10 I get a message saying "The following devices could not be added: 41.63.11. (2844-222) Insteon Motion Sensor II v.46 - Device is not supported." I added this via Link Management -> Link a sensor -> Motion sensor and I chose 2842-222... seems like 5.0.10 detects the firmware on the remote devices now? I also tried Link Management -> Add insteon device and did not set Auto Discover device type. I again chose 2842-222 from the dropdown. @Techman - which version are you using? Am I able to downgrade my isy firmware? Literally the only reason for me to use the alpha is the hope to use these sensors... Link to comment
Goose66 Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 Just link the 2844-222 to the devices you want it to control and let it operate outside the ISY until 5.0.11. Just make sure you don't do a restore on the switches or modules from ISY and overwrite the 2844-222 links. WRK Link to comment
Techman Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 @Techman - which version are you using? Am I able to downgrade my isy firmware? Literally the only reason for me to use the alpha is the hope to use these sensors... I'm running 4.6.2 which works with the motion sensor node, but only the MS default options are available. Link to comment
IanSmith Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 On 11/11/2017 at 1:54 PM, jspoon said: All I need at this point is basic motion detection so I can control lights and send notifications. Based on what I have read it sounds like I should be able to link my 2844-222 to ISY with 4.6.2. I have a R3.1 3017 version of the sensor. I have tried both start linking and New Insteon Device. The start linking writes to the various devices but no new device shows up. The new device where I enter the address, fails with unable to determine the engine with Auto Discover. There is no 2844-222 device in the drop down, but there is a 2842-222. How are people getting the isy to link with the 2844-222? I had the same experience you did. I had read that the new guy heading up SmartLabs came from Universal. I was emcouraged. Not so much at this point. Link to comment
randyherring Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 NOT A GREAT BUSINESS MODEL TO SELL A PRODUCT 2844-222 THAT IS INCOMPATIBLE WITH YOUR EXISTING SYSTEM. IF I KNEW THIS I WOULD NOT HAVE PURCHASED IT. VERY DISAPPOINTED, WILL START THE RETURN PROCESS. AN CANNOT FIND NEW 2842-222 FOR SALE. THIS IS BAD FOR BUSINESS. NOT SMART OF SMARTHOME. Link to comment
webminster Posted June 4, 2018 Share Posted June 4, 2018 Have you checked Ebay? I see a few there if you search. I bought a few a while back off EBay because of this same reason... Link to comment
Michel Kohanim Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 Hi jspoon, Please use Link Management/Link a Motion Sensor. With kind regards, Michel Link to comment
slimypizza Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 I purchased the 2842-222 a couple of months ago and am using it with my isy994i running 4.6.2. It’s performance is adequate, ie it can sense motion and trigger actions. They do seem a little hard to come by now. Amazon has them but only as ‘like new’ from 3rd party sellers. Link to comment
paulbates Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 2 hours ago, slimypizza said: I purchased the 2842-222 a couple of months ago and am using it with my isy994i running 4.6.2. It’s performance is adequate, ie it can sense motion and trigger actions. They do seem a little hard to come by now. Amazon has them but only as ‘like new’ from 3rd party sellers. I like them. Have to put the jumper for limiting the sensing on a couple because they trigger from too far away.. I want to sense the driveway, not every car the goes by down street. If you use them outside, it helps to put a small bead of super glue or silicone calk on the left, right and bottom were the bezel meets the housing, keeps the water out. I've had some outside for several years now, right out in the open. Paul Link to comment
NGC Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 I just installed a brand new Insteon 2844-222 (R3.1 0418). It linked and comunicates fine to with my IS994i Pro v4.7.3. The problem is that the ISY does not seem to capture any of the motion related events. None appear in the event viewer and my programs are are never triggered. The sensor is working fine and it doe controlled all devices linked to it via a scene in ISY. Unfortunately my use cases involves a program and the ISY does not seem to respond to its motion events. Any thoughts or recommendations? Link to comment
larryllix Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 14 minutes ago, NGC said: I just installed a brand new Insteon 2844-222 (R3.1 0418). It linked and comunicates fine to with my IS994i Pro v4.7.3. The problem is that the ISY does not seem to capture any of the motion related events. None appear in the event viewer and my programs are are never triggered. The sensor is working fine and it doe controlled all devices linked to it via a scene in ISY. Unfortunately my use cases involves a program and the ISY does not seem to respond to its motion events. Any thoughts or recommendations? Post your program here so people can help you. R.Click on the program title in the program tree, select "copy to clipboard", then paste it here. Have you watched the devices webpage in admin console, to see if the signal is being recorded by ISY? You probably have links messed up between ISY/PLM and the MS. Link to comment
NGC Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 Program below and restore communications from event viewer. The issue is that motion does not appear to generate traffic that the PLM(ISY) is seeing (no activity in the event viewer). However devices linked in a scene through ISY to the MS respond perfectly. I have reset and restored the device a couple of times with no luck . <?xml version="1.0" ?><triggers><d2d><trigger><id>29</id><name>Z-Mudroom Motion</name><parent>1</parent><if><or /><device><status /><node>4D C8 CA 1</node><op>=</op><control>ST</control><action>255</action></device><or /><device><node>4D C8 CA 1</node><op>=</op><control>DON</control></device><or /><device><status /><node>4D C8 CA 1</node><op>=</op><control>ST</control><action>0</action></device><or /><device><node>4D C8 CA 1</node><op>=</op><control>DOF</control></device></if><then><notify content="2">2</notify></then><else></else><comment></comment></trigger></d2d></triggers> Fri 10/26/2018 09:50:18 PM : [ 4D C8 CA 1] Preparing Device 'Z-Motion SII-Sensor' for Restore Fri 10/26/2018 09:50:18 PM : [ 4D C8 CA 1] Device 'Z-Motion SII-Sensor' ready for Full Restore Fri 10/26/2018 09:50:18 PM : [All ] Writing 32 bytes to devices Fri 10/26/2018 09:50:31 PM : [4D C8 CA 1 ] Link 0 : 00F8 [E20141EB5E010001] Writing [E20141EB5E010001] Fri 10/26/2018 09:50:32 PM : [PLM ] Group 1 : Writing Responder Link matching [4D C8 CA 1 ] Link 0 : 00F8 [E20141EB5E010001] Fri 10/26/2018 09:50:32 PM : [4D C8 CA 1 ] Link 1 : 00F0 [E20241EB5E010002] Writing [E20241EB5E010002] Fri 10/26/2018 09:50:33 PM : [PLM ] Group 2 : Writing Responder Link matching [4D C8 CA 1 ] Link 1 : 00F0 [E20241EB5E010002] Fri 10/26/2018 09:50:34 PM : [4D C8 CA 1 ] Link 2 : 00E8 [E20341EB5E010003] Writing [E20341EB5E010003] Fri 10/26/2018 09:50:35 PM : [PLM ] Group 3 : Writing Responder Link matching [4D C8 CA 1 ] Link 2 : 00E8 [E20341EB5E010003] Fri 10/26/2018 09:50:35 PM : [4D C8 CA 1 ] Link 3 : 00E0 [0000000000000000] Writing [00..............] Fri 10/26/2018 09:50:36 PM : [4D C8 CA 1 ] Link 4 : 00D8 : Writing High Water Byte Link to comment
larryllix Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 18 minutes ago, NGC said: Program below and restore communications from event viewer. The issue is that motion does not appear to generate traffic that the PLM(ISY) is seeing (no activity in the event viewer). However devices linked in a scene through ISY to the MS respond perfectly. I have reset and restored the device a couple of times with no luck . <?xml version="1.0" ?><triggers><d2d><trigger><id>29</id><name>Z-Mudroom Motion</name><parent>1</parent><if><or /><device><status /><node>4D C8 CA 1</node><op>=</op><control>ST</control><action>255</action></device><or /><device><node>4D C8 CA 1</node><op>=</op><control>DON</control></device><or /><device><status /><node>4D C8 CA 1</node><op>=</op><control>ST</control><action>0</action></device><or /><device><node>4D C8 CA 1</node><op>=</op><control>DOF</control></device></if><then><notify content="2">2</notify></then><else></else><comment></comment></trigger></d2d></triggers> <snipped> Maybe try the program copy 'n paste again. Link to comment
kclenden Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 23 minutes ago, NGC said: <?xml version="1.0" ?><triggers><d2d><trigger><id>29</id><name>Z-Mudroom Motion</name><parent>1</parent><if><or /><device><status /><node>4D C8 CA 1</node><op>=</op><control>ST</control><action>255</action></device><or /><device><node>4D C8 CA 1</node><op>=</op><control>DON</control></device><or /><device><status /><node>4D C8 CA 1</node><op>=</op><control>ST</control><action>0</action></device><or /><device><node>4D C8 CA 1</node><op>=</op><control>DOF</control></device></if><then><notify content="2">2</notify></then><else></else><comment></comment></trigger></d2d></triggers> It looks like you did a "Copy" or an "Export to Clipboard" instead of a "Copy to Clipboard". "Copy to Clipboard" is much more readable. Link to comment
NGC Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 Sorry just noticed the copy to clipboard - program below. The NGC email address is what I use for all my programs and works fine. Thanks. Z-Mudroom Motion - [ID 001D][Parent 0001] If Status 'Z-Motion SII-Sensor' is On Or Control 'Z-Motion SII-Sensor' is switched On Or Status 'Z-Motion SII-Sensor' is Off Or Control 'Z-Motion SII-Sensor' is switched Off Then Send Notification to 'NGC' content 'ProgramName' Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') Link to comment
larryllix Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 Z-Mudroom Motion - [ID 001D][Parent 0001] If Status 'Z-Motion SII-Sensor' is On Or Control 'Z-Motion SII-Sensor' is switched On Or Status 'Z-Motion SII-Sensor' is Off Or Control 'Z-Motion SII-Sensor' is switched Off Then Send Notification to 'NGC' content 'ProgramName' Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') Link to comment
kclenden Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 1 hour ago, NGC said: Program below and restore communications from event viewer. The issue is that motion does not appear to generate traffic that the PLM(ISY) is seeing (no activity in the event viewer). However devices linked in a scene through ISY to the MS respond perfectly. Insteon device to device communication has built-in retries that I'm not sure exists between the motion sensor and the ISY. Additionally, the motion sensor is an RF device that relies on other devices to put its communication onto the powerline for it. So perhaps the motion sensor is in an area that results in marginal communication. What devices are near the motion sensor? Have you tried moving the motion sensor to another location temporarily to see if its communication is picked up by the ISY? Link to comment
NGC Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 I have moved the motion sensor within I foot of the PLM - still no motion events. My home has 125+ insteon switches the majority of which are dual-band and I have pretty good communications. It is very strange. Link to comment
kclenden Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 That is indeed strange. It's as if no link exists between the ISY and the motion sensor so that when the motion sensor sends a motion event the PLM ignores it. Have you tried deleting the motion sensor from the ISY and then relinking it? Have you tried factory resetting the motion sensor? If not, you might try both of those things. Link to comment
kclenden Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 Or if you don't want to try those two things yet, you could "Show Device Links Table" for the motion sensor and post the result here so that some of the more knowledgeable people could ascertain whether any important links are missing. Link to comment
oberkc Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 Or "restore" links. Of course, the motion sensor must be awake in order for this to work. Is this the only motion sensor you have? (Do the others work?) ISY sees comms between all other devices just fine? Can we assume that the PLM is a dual-band version? Can we assume that the PLM is not plugged into a UPS or into a circuit that contains lots of electronic gadgets including UPS, computers, routers, power supplies, etc....? Link to comment
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