stusviews Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 And where do we aquire this so called "AI" for our ISY? Both the ISY portal utilizing Amazon's Echo devices and Google's Home and the latest iOS with Routines are AI based Link to comment
lilyoyo1 Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 What is happening today is nothing compared to where the industry can/will be in 15 years let alone 25. It's all new for Mass consumption and adoption (for those that need things said specifically). 20 years ago we couldn't imagine having mini computers in our pockets. The same with what's happening now. In time we will get to the point of a proactive rather than reactive system Link to comment
G W Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Both the ISY portal utilizing Amazon's Echo devices and Google's Home and the latest iOS with Routines are AI basedThat's a stretch. Hardly what I would call "AI" and definitely not what I'd classify as Home Automation. Can we not have a realistic honest discussion? Sent from my SM-G955U1 using Tapatalk Link to comment
stusviews Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 That's a stretch. Hardly what I would call "AI" and definitely not what I'd classify as Home Automation. A number of sources would disagree: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_intelligence https://securityintelligence.com/the-coming-revolution-of-voice-control-with-artificial-intelligence/ https://www.asme.org/engineering-topics/articles/manufacturing-design/talk-artificial-intelligence-voice-recognition https://venturebeat.com/2017/09/16/voice-recognition-will-transform-these-5-industries/ https://www.theverge.com/2017/7/27/16019222/open-source-data-ai-mozilla-common-voice-project http://www.zdnet.com/article/google-bets-on-ai-first-as-computer-vision-voice-recognition-machine-learning-improve/ https://techcrunch.com/2015/03/06/the-future-of-voice-activated-ai-sounds-awesome/ https://www.ericsson.com/thinkingahead/the-networked-society-blog/2016/04/22/alexa-ai-address-advanced-asks-why-voice-control-and-ai-open-up-for-new-micro-services/ Link to comment
asbril Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 The truth is that we live in exciting times and there is a lot more to come. Right now home automation is for professionals or amateur techies, such as most of us here (I am only a small and older techie compared to some of you). Making ISY work with Alexa, Google Home or IFTTT still needs effort. Even the Administrative Console of ISY requires a techie mind. The next phase of home automation will be for my wife and kids, who won't go beyond plugging in a device and it connecting straight to an easy to operate App on their phone, without any programming. I have my Samsung washer and dryer connected to wifi, but there is very little (if any) benefit to it. But I look forward to my fridge ordering milk and eggs directly to Amazon Fresh, which then delivers it to my home. This is around the corner and, as I said, it is exciting. Link to comment
stusviews Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 I have my Samsung washer and dryer connected to wifi, but there is very little (if any) benefit to it. But I look forward to my fridge ordering milk and eggs directly to Amazon Fresh, which then delivers it to my home. This is around the corner and, as I said, it is exciting. You can now talk to your Samsung fridge here's one with Alexa LG unveils smart FRIDGE powered by Amazon's Alexa AI assistant and here's one for Gary Artificial intelligence and the fridge. Link to comment
G W Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 A number of sources would disagree: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_intelligence https://securityintelligence.com/the-coming-revolution-of-voice-control-with-artificial-intelligence/ https://www.asme.org/engineering-topics/articles/manufacturing-design/talk-artificial-intelligence-voice-recognition https://venturebeat.com/2017/09/16/voice-recognition-will-transform-these-5-industries/ https://www.theverge.com/2017/7/27/16019222/open-source-data-ai-mozilla-common-voice-project http://www.zdnet.com/article/google-bets-on-ai-first-as-computer-vision-voice-recognition-machine-learning-improve/ https://techcrunch.com/2015/03/06/the-future-of-voice-activated-ai-sounds-awesome/ https://www.ericsson.com/thinkingahead/the-networked-society-blog/2016/04/22/alexa-ai-address-advanced-asks-why-voice-control-and-ai-open-up-for-new-micro-services/ So which of these are you using? Sent from my SM-G955U1 using Tapatalk Link to comment
G W Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 You can now talk to your Samsung fridge here's one with Alexa LG unveils smart FRIDGE powered by Amazon's Alexa AI assistant and here's one for Gary Artificial intelligence and the fridge. Neither is Home Automation. Sent from my SM-G955U1 using Tapatalk Again, can we have an intellectually honest discussion? Sent from my SM-G955U1 using Tapatalk Link to comment
stusviews Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Not if you've already made up your mind contrary to substantial evidence to the contrary. By all accounts, AI is an integral part of HA. Do you really believe that Amazon Echo devices are not a part of HA? That they don't depend on AI? If so, then my responding is of no avail. I may as well discuss the issue with a tomato (no offense to vegetables intended) Link to comment
G W Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Yes, it will be a "part" of Home Automation. Again, the point is that we ARE in the early stages of "Home Automation." Sent from my SM-G955U1 using Tapatalk Link to comment
stusviews Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Both the ISY portal utilizing Amazon's Echo devices and Google's Home and the latest iOS with Routines are AI based That's a stretch. Hardly what I would call "AI" and definitely not what I'd classify as Home Automation. Yes, it will be a "part" of Home Automation. Again, the point is that we ARE in the early stages of "Home Automation." Hmm, I thought the point we were discussing was AI and its relation to HA. OTOH, II do agree that we're in the early part of the future. I don't know what will happen next, but I can hardly wait Link to comment
G W Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Hmm, I thought the point we were discussing was AI and its relation to HA. OTOH, II do agree that we're in the early part of the future. I don't know what will happen next, but I can hardly wait Well, I also think calling Alexa and Google Home "AI" is a bit of a stretch. So far I have not seen any sign of intelligence in either. Maybe there is some in the science behind the code but I feel it will be years before either are ready to automate a house. Sent from my SM-G955U1 using Tapatalk Link to comment
stusviews Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 https://www.popsci.com/amazon-echo-first-artificial-intelligence-youll-want-home https://www.forbes.com/sites/howardhyu/2017/05/10/with-echo-show-amazon-seizes-the-lead-in-the-artificial-intelligence-race/#27452c2e1e37 https://seekingalpha.com/article/4081043-intel-helping-amazon-build-alexa-artificial-intelligence-kingdom https://www.theverge.com/2017/4/27/15447834/amazons-echo-look-ai-analysis-concerns https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_Alexa Link to comment
lilyoyo1 Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 I wouldn't call Alexa or home AI. Especially based off of how the companies themselves talk up AI and machine learning. Neither device does either one. IMO they are simply responding to user input. For me, AI is akin to a computer learning a persons playing style to beat them at chess. In the automation world, it would be it learning my actions and acting accordingly without me asking. For example, it would learn that I enter my bedroom at certain times and automatically set it up to go to bed. Other times it would know I'm just passing through and do the actions for that. Alexa nor home does those things on it's on. You have to tell it to run a program that you have pre-written (less capable with other systems). In the end, they are no more than glorified remotes. Link to comment
G W Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 For me, it would be knowing when I am home and knowing when and what I like. As it is, there is nothing that connects a home to an AI. Sent from my SM-G955U1 using Tapatalk Link to comment
larryllix Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 For me, ISY can simulate low levels of AI. It is artificial and it has some intelligence, in the form of decision making, based on sensing parameters. Alexa does display some AI via the cloud databases, but not via HA.. Alexa in combination with ISY, has no AI and as lilyoyo1 posted, is just a glorified remote. Link to comment
stusviews Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 I think, therefore my environment is am are thinks for me. Not in my time, I hope. OTOH, I really appreciate how much AI has made my life fun. I maintain that using my voice to turn on a light utilizes AI. I believe that the scientific term for this phenomenon is Conversational Artificial Intelligence. https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=Conversational+Artificial+Intelligence&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiVi7jtqK7XAhUS32MKHeu7C4gQgQMIQzAA https://techcrunch.com/2017/02/25/conversational-ai-and-the-road-ahead/ https://mindmeld.com/ and with some certainty the following is a reputable source: https://www.ibm.com/watson/advantage-reports/future-of-artificial-intelligence/ai-conversation.html Link to comment
larryllix Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 I think, therefore my environment is am are thinks for me. Not in my time, I hope. OTOH, I really appreciate how much AI has made my life fun. I maintain that using my voice to turn on a light utilizes AI. I believe that the scientific term for this phenomenon is Conversational Artificial Intelligence. https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=Conversational+Artificial+Intelligence&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiVi7jtqK7XAhUS32MKHeu7C4gQgQMIQzAA https://techcrunch.com/2017/02/25/conversational-ai-and-the-road-ahead/ https://mindmeld.com/ and with some certainty the following is a reputable source: https://www.ibm.com/watson/advantage-reports/future-of-artificial-intelligence/ai-conversation.html WTF? C.A.I. maybe, but OTOH, OMG! AFAIC is the CIA also AI? Link to comment
G W Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 I maintain that using my voice to turn on a light utilizes AI. I believe that the scientific term for this phenomenon is Conversational Artificial Intelligence. Wow. I don't understand how you can justify that statement. Does ANYONE here agree with Stu's statement? Link to comment
larryllix Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Wow. I don't understand how you can justify that statement. Does ANYONE here agree with Stu's statement? Even if Stu made the term up, English is a flowing language with constant changes. Who are we to argue with a new term? Link to comment
asbril Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Even if Stu made the term up, English is a flowing language with constant changes. Who are we too argue with a new term? Some people on this forum seem to have artificial intelligence... Just joking guys Link to comment
drprm1 Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Even if Stu made the term up, English is a flowing language with constant changes. Who are we too argue with a new term Some people here just like to argue. Link to comment
G W Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Even if Stu made the term up, English is a flowing language with constant changes. Who are we too argue with a new term?Yeah, let's just continue to let bad information stand as fact. Sent from my SM-G955U1 using Tapatalk Link to comment
larryllix Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Yeah, let's just continue to let bad information stand as fact. Sent from my SM-G955U1 using Tapatalk Let's not fill the forum threads with constant criticism when some opinion won't change anybody's life. I think it's the NY state being too close to Canada that causes this. Link to comment
G W Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Let's not fill the forum threads with constant criticism when some opinion won't change anybody's life. I think it's the NY state being too close to Canada that causes this. LOL. Funny, Larry. Sent from my SM-G955U1 using Tapatalk Link to comment
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