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Insteon Motion Sensor 2844-222 Programming


Andre Douyon

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Just purchased 3 of the new Insteon Motion sensors 2844-222.

What would be tht correct way to program them to do the follwoing.

When motion is sensed, after dusk, turn lights on for 5 minutes then turn lights off.

I triesd the simple if then, but I think I am missing something.

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You'll need two programs

Being that the default on time is 30 seconds The first program should call the "then" statement in the second program which will turn on the light. When the motion sensor turns off the 2nd program will continue to run until completion

 

Program 1

IF

   Control Motion sensor is ON

  and Dusk is ON

THEN

    Run THEN statement in program 2

ELSE (blank)

 

Program 2

IF  (blank)

THEN

    turn on light

    wait 5 minutes

    turn off light

ELSE  (blank)

 

Edited by Techman
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Just out of curiosity why could you not put pgm2 in the then of pgm1?  It always calls it when the conditions are met.  Thanks..

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Thank you for the confirmation. My programming was similar. 

The issue I am seeing is as follows.

I originally had a bathroom MS in the master bat scene. This worked but the light would shut off after 30 seconds. 

I tried selecting options and changing the timeout in minutes variable to 10.0. I hit the set button on the MS, clicked ok to start the upload and done on the configuration screen.

This seems to do nothing.

I also noticed that the light was coming on during daylight hours as well, so again I selected options on the MS and selected night only. 

I did some reading and decided that since I had a program running this event, I would also select On commands only. My understanding with this switch is that it would only sense motion and send an on command but never send off command which would allow for ISY to issue off command within the program. I saved this and again nothing.

Light still came on day or night and turned off after 30 seconds. 

I then removed the MS from the scene.

I am still using the aforementioned formatted If Then program listed earlier.

When not in a scene, when motion is detected, nothing is happening, regardless of program variables.

What am I missing here

Device_Options_for_Motion_Master_Bath-Sensor_and_Universal_Devices_Administrative_Console.jpg

Posted (edited)

Many have selected this option and only ISY programs turn the lights off again.

Using If control/switched On only detects On signals and no second program would be needed to isolate the Off from causing anything to run.

 

 

Edited by larryllix
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On ‎3‎/‎15‎/‎2018 at 10:34 AM, KSchex said:

Just out of curiosity why could you not put pgm2 in the then of pgm1?  It always calls it when the conditions are met.  Thanks..

 

 

On ‎3‎/‎16‎/‎2018 at 6:23 AM, douyon said:

Thank you for the confirmation. My programming was similar. 

The issue I am seeing is as follows.

I originally had a bathroom MS in the master bat scene. This worked but the light would shut off after 30 seconds. 

I tried selecting options and changing the timeout in minutes variable to 10.0. I hit the set button on the MS, clicked ok to start the upload and done on the configuration screen.

This seems to do nothing.

I also noticed that the light was coming on during daylight hours as well, so again I selected options on the MS and selected night only. 

I did some reading and decided that since I had a program running this event, I would also select On commands only. My understanding with this switch is that it would only sense motion and send an on command but never send off command which would allow for ISY to issue off command within the program. I saved this and again nothing.

Light still came on day or night and turned off after 30 seconds. 

I then removed the MS from the scene.

I am still using the aforementioned formatted If Then program listed earlier.

When not in a scene, when motion is detected, nothing is happening, regardless of program variables.

What am I missing here

Device_Options_for_Motion_Master_Bath-Sensor_and_Universal_Devices_Administrative_Console.jpg

I'm assuming that you're running 4.6.2 (or earlier) ISY firmware. If so the firmware does not fully support the motion sensor options. This sensor was recently released and replaced the previous motion sensor which the ISY fully supported.

The ISY only recognizes a timeout of 30 seconds (on the current MS), thus the need for programs 1 and 2.

If the light is turned on from a scene then have program 2 turn on the scene rather than the light.

 

Edited by Techman
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Thank you

My point is that the new motion sensor for insteon (perhaps not fully supported is the cause) only captures 10% of the old sensors.

I have the new 2844-222 next to the old 2842-222 and added a variable for each sensor. I can then count the number of on's and the new sensor is terrible.

If this is true going forward I would add a Z Wave module to my ISY for flexibility but i currently have no experience with Z Wave.

All feedback is appreciated.

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2 hours ago, tosterhouse said:

Thank you

My point is that the new motion sensor for insteon (perhaps not fully supported is the cause) only captures 10% of the old sensors.

I have the new 2844-222 next to the old 2842-222 and added a variable for each sensor. I can then count the number of on's and the new sensor is terrible.

If this is true going forward I would add a Z Wave module to my ISY for flexibility but i currently have no experience with Z Wave.

All feedback is appreciated.

I use and prefer zwave sensors over Insteon sensors. My personal favorites are the fibaro sensors but there are others out there. 

Switching to zwave isn't as easy as adding the model and zwave sensors. Depending on where the sensors are located, you may need additional zwave devices in order for the ISY to talk to your sensors. 

Before embarking on that journey (depending on finances), I would buy a few zwave devices such as the Aeotech Smartswitch 6 or Aeotech siren to build out your network and then get the sensors that you want. Using the 5.0 branch of the ISY allows additional control and features for zwave. 

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5 hours ago, tosterhouse said:

Thank you

My point is that the new motion sensor for insteon (perhaps not fully supported is the cause) only captures 10% of the old sensors.

I have the new 2844-222 next to the old 2842-222 and added a variable for each sensor. I can then count the number of on's and the new sensor is terrible.

If this is true going forward I would add a Z Wave module to my ISY for flexibility but i currently have no experience with Z Wave.

All feedback is appreciated.

The Zwave Aeotec Multisensor 6 is fully supported by the ISY and offers many benefits over the Insteon motion sensor.  As mentioned above you'll most likely need zwave range extenders. Take a look at the Aeotec website.

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