Andre Douyon Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Just purchased 3 of the new Insteon Motion sensors 2844-222. What would be tht correct way to program them to do the follwoing. When motion is sensed, after dusk, turn lights on for 5 minutes then turn lights off. I triesd the simple if then, but I think I am missing something. Link to comment
Techman Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 You'll need two programs Being that the default on time is 30 seconds The first program should call the "then" statement in the second program which will turn on the light. When the motion sensor turns off the 2nd program will continue to run until completion Program 1 IF Control Motion sensor is ON and Dusk is ON THEN Run THEN statement in program 2 ELSE (blank) Program 2 IF (blank) THEN turn on light wait 5 minutes turn off light ELSE (blank) Link to comment
KSchex Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 Just out of curiosity why could you not put pgm2 in the then of pgm1? It always calls it when the conditions are met. Thanks.. Link to comment
Andre Douyon Posted March 16, 2018 Author Share Posted March 16, 2018 Thank you for the confirmation. My programming was similar. The issue I am seeing is as follows. I originally had a bathroom MS in the master bat scene. This worked but the light would shut off after 30 seconds. I tried selecting options and changing the timeout in minutes variable to 10.0. I hit the set button on the MS, clicked ok to start the upload and done on the configuration screen. This seems to do nothing. I also noticed that the light was coming on during daylight hours as well, so again I selected options on the MS and selected night only. I did some reading and decided that since I had a program running this event, I would also select On commands only. My understanding with this switch is that it would only sense motion and send an on command but never send off command which would allow for ISY to issue off command within the program. I saved this and again nothing. Light still came on day or night and turned off after 30 seconds. I then removed the MS from the scene. I am still using the aforementioned formatted If Then program listed earlier. When not in a scene, when motion is detected, nothing is happening, regardless of program variables. What am I missing here Link to comment
larryllix Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Many have selected this option and only ISY programs turn the lights off again. Using If control/switched On only detects On signals and no second program would be needed to isolate the Off from causing anything to run. Link to comment
Techman Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 On 3/15/2018 at 10:34 AM, KSchex said: Just out of curiosity why could you not put pgm2 in the then of pgm1? It always calls it when the conditions are met. Thanks.. On 3/16/2018 at 6:23 AM, douyon said: Thank you for the confirmation. My programming was similar. The issue I am seeing is as follows. I originally had a bathroom MS in the master bat scene. This worked but the light would shut off after 30 seconds. I tried selecting options and changing the timeout in minutes variable to 10.0. I hit the set button on the MS, clicked ok to start the upload and done on the configuration screen. This seems to do nothing. I also noticed that the light was coming on during daylight hours as well, so again I selected options on the MS and selected night only. I did some reading and decided that since I had a program running this event, I would also select On commands only. My understanding with this switch is that it would only sense motion and send an on command but never send off command which would allow for ISY to issue off command within the program. I saved this and again nothing. Light still came on day or night and turned off after 30 seconds. I then removed the MS from the scene. I am still using the aforementioned formatted If Then program listed earlier. When not in a scene, when motion is detected, nothing is happening, regardless of program variables. What am I missing here I'm assuming that you're running 4.6.2 (or earlier) ISY firmware. If so the firmware does not fully support the motion sensor options. This sensor was recently released and replaced the previous motion sensor which the ISY fully supported. The ISY only recognizes a timeout of 30 seconds (on the current MS), thus the need for programs 1 and 2. If the light is turned on from a scene then have program 2 turn on the scene rather than the light. Link to comment
tosterhouse Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 I am using insteon with my ISY Is there another solution? Another brand of motion sensor that will work with the ISY? Link to comment
Techman Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 If you have Zwave then there are other options. The only Insteon motion sensor currently being sold is the one you have Link to comment
tosterhouse Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 Thank you My point is that the new motion sensor for insteon (perhaps not fully supported is the cause) only captures 10% of the old sensors. I have the new 2844-222 next to the old 2842-222 and added a variable for each sensor. I can then count the number of on's and the new sensor is terrible. If this is true going forward I would add a Z Wave module to my ISY for flexibility but i currently have no experience with Z Wave. All feedback is appreciated. Link to comment
lilyoyo1 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 2 hours ago, tosterhouse said: Thank you My point is that the new motion sensor for insteon (perhaps not fully supported is the cause) only captures 10% of the old sensors. I have the new 2844-222 next to the old 2842-222 and added a variable for each sensor. I can then count the number of on's and the new sensor is terrible. If this is true going forward I would add a Z Wave module to my ISY for flexibility but i currently have no experience with Z Wave. All feedback is appreciated. I use and prefer zwave sensors over Insteon sensors. My personal favorites are the fibaro sensors but there are others out there. Switching to zwave isn't as easy as adding the model and zwave sensors. Depending on where the sensors are located, you may need additional zwave devices in order for the ISY to talk to your sensors. Before embarking on that journey (depending on finances), I would buy a few zwave devices such as the Aeotech Smartswitch 6 or Aeotech siren to build out your network and then get the sensors that you want. Using the 5.0 branch of the ISY allows additional control and features for zwave. Link to comment
Techman Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 5 hours ago, tosterhouse said: Thank you My point is that the new motion sensor for insteon (perhaps not fully supported is the cause) only captures 10% of the old sensors. I have the new 2844-222 next to the old 2842-222 and added a variable for each sensor. I can then count the number of on's and the new sensor is terrible. If this is true going forward I would add a Z Wave module to my ISY for flexibility but i currently have no experience with Z Wave. All feedback is appreciated. The Zwave Aeotec Multisensor 6 is fully supported by the ISY and offers many benefits over the Insteon motion sensor. As mentioned above you'll most likely need zwave range extenders. Take a look at the Aeotec website. Link to comment
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